2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[HEZI]

What happened to Quentin Grimes? Dude had a weak sophomore year at Kansas then transferred to Houston and basically fell off the face of the Earth

[WargamesX]

I did the leg work on this

current draft order, games played, games taken away over 63rd game, new record

GS - 65 -2 14-49
Cle- 65 -2 18-45
Min- 64 -1 19-44
Atl- 67 -4 19-44
Det- 66 -3 20-43
NY- 66 -3 19-44
Chi- 65 -2 21-42
Cha- 65 -2 22-41
Was- 64 -1 24-39
Pho- 65 -2 25-38
SA- 63 -0 27-36
Sac- 64 -1 28-35
NO- 64 -1 27-36
POR- 66 -3 28-25

new order

1. GS - 14-49
2. Cle- 18-45
3-5. Min, Atl, NY 19-44
6. Det- 20-43
7. Chi- 21-42
8. Cha- 22-41
9. Was- 24-39
10.Pho- 25-38
11-12. SA, NO 27-36
13-14. Sac, POR - 28-35

differences:
Atl and NY move up from 4th and 6th to a 3 way tie for 3rd with Min, coin toss for order and 3 way split odds
Det down from 5th to 6th
NO up from a tie for 12th with Sac to a tie for 11th with SA, SA loses sole possession of 11th, coin toss for order and split odds
Sac down from tie for 12th to a tie for 13th with Portland, Portland up from 14th to tie for 13th, coin toss for order and split odds

This move would overwhelmingly benefit the knicks moving them from 6th to potentially 3rd. could be bad or good for the hawks, minor benefit for pelicans, blazers. minor loss to SA and Sac. loss for Detroit. could be a big loss for min.

This just seems like wishful thinking by NY sportswriters. The knicks, as usual, won 4 of their last 7 games and F'd themselves over. Tale as old as time.

Also, even if they did base it off 63 played games, I'm not sure it makes sense for it arbitrarily be the last games that they played that they don't count instead of any of the other games on the schedule that they played. Other than that whoever thought of it was trying to help the Knicks.

First this is great work!

Well of course the knicks mess up a tank. They had to squeeze as many wins out of their mercenary roster because they are perpetually stupid.

I don’t know if this is as much a stretch as you think for a few reasons.

1) Knicks are not the only team who could complain about the fact those additional last games played put them at a disadvantage. The pre lottery draft order is based on the worst record of 82 games. With our that possibility it should come down to a equal number of games.

2) All these additional coin flips would add additional drama leading up to the lottery and the NBA needs as much content as they can get. They can use the pre-flips to begin their draft coverage and make a televised event of it. Also they can test whatever system they want to do for the draft lottery ahead of time since meeting physically to do a flip won’t work.

3) The only team that it really hurts are DET and SAC who have to fall back one spot and even then this is before the lottery. They can both still move up 1-4.

4) it doesn’t effect the 1st or 2nd pre lottery odds so GS and Cleveland won’t complain about it. A few other teams aren’t effected either. The only team that takes a automatic step back by this move by default is DET and SAC

Minnesota who is in sole possession of 3rd could potentially wind up dropping to 4th or 5th, so I'd expect them to complain as well

Yeah the loudest voices against would potentially be MIN, DET, and SAC. I don’t know if they have the pull to stop this if the league wanted to do it. They are all small markets.

[RHODEY]

Ball or Edwards 1st Overall if we get it?

You do realize that the #1 pick gets around $12m for 4 years. You really think the Warriors are gonna pay Wiseman $12m/4 as an unfinished product and with their cap issues. Remember there are no a Luka or Zion in this draft.
Don't know...

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3 million a year is peanuts by today's standards.

[robillionaire]

You do realize that the #1 pick gets around $12m for 4 years. You really think the Warriors are gonna pay Wiseman $12m/4 as an unfinished product and with their cap issues. Remember there are no a Luka or Zion in this draft.
Don't know...

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3 million a year is peanuts by today's standards.

that's actually per year

zion is getting
$9,757,440
$10,245,480
$10,733,400
$13,534,817

with that said somebody is going to be getting that money so it may as well be him

[Zenzibar]

You do realize that the #1 pick gets around $12m for 4 years. You really think the Warriors are gonna pay Wiseman $12m/4 as an unfinished product and with their cap issues. Remember there are no a Luka or Zion in this draft.
Don't know...

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3 million a year is peanuts by today's standards.

My bad, it's closer to $8m per.

[Zenzibar]

You do realize that the #1 pick gets around $12m for 4 years. You really think the Warriors are gonna pay Wiseman $12m/4 as an unfinished product and with their cap issues. Remember there are no a Luka or Zion in this draft.
Don't know...

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3 million a year is peanuts by today's standards.

that's actually per year

zion is getting
$9,757,440
$10,245,480
$10,733,400
$13,534,817

with that said somebody is going to be getting that money so it may as well be him

Stand corrected. With that said, I think Tyrese Haliburton will be more impactful as a rookie.

[3toheadmelo]

Ball or Edwards 1st Overall if we get it?

You do realize that the #1 pick gets around $12m for 4 years. You really think the Warriors are gonna pay Wiseman $12m/4 as an unfinished product and with their cap issues. Remember there are no a Luka or Zion in this draft.
Don't know...

Considering that they're very high on him and their main need is a C, yeah its a no brainer for them.

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[Fat]

Cole would fit well with barret/Mitchell and his scoring ability from midrange/3 point land brings a different element to the team at point guard that we’ve been missing. I wouldn’t mind him at all outside of the top 3.

Team needs playmaking , IQ, good shooting....
He gives motor and scoring ...and another guy that wiil need the ball, another guy with questionable efficiency . Not sure if he'll be good from a team aspect. Will he be better than DSJ before he lost total confidence? Even if he is Rookie DSJ Im not feeling a player like that on this squad. Looks good from PR perspective but a fail from a basketball perspective. But I could be wrong.

I want smart players that can pass and shoot. Halliburton's stock is rising for me. Kira, Trae Jones look better IMO

I think cole has gone from overrated to underrated I’ll put it that way.

He doesn’t need the ball. He had to play that way because he had no help, not to say there aren’t things he did wrong that he could learn from but it just wasn’t a situation where he was going to be able play the way he might of preferred. He didn’t strike me as a player that lacked IQ or even playmaking ability. Just a young freshman who had to shoulder the load and played with an attack mentality vs being true point guard.

NC started out with a 6-3 record with cole which flipped to a 4-7 record without him. That alone should tell you something regarding the talent level on the team in general.


I Feel his game becomes better painted in the NBA.

[RHODEY]

Cole would fit well with barret/Mitchell and his scoring ability from midrange/3 point land brings a different element to the team at point guard that we’ve been missing. I wouldn’t mind him at all outside of the top 3.

Team needs playmaking , IQ, good shooting....
He gives motor and scoring ...and another guy that wiil need the ball, another guy with questionable efficiency . Not sure if he'll be good from a team aspect. Will he be better than DSJ before he lost total confidence? Even if he is Rookie DSJ Im not feeling a player like that on this squad. Looks good from PR perspective but a fail from a basketball perspective. But I could be wrong.

I want smart players that can pass and shoot. Halliburton's stock is rising for me. Kira, Trae Jones look better IMO

I think cole has gone from overrated to underrated I’ll put it that way.

He doesn’t need the ball. He had to play that way because he had no help, not to say there aren’t things he did wrong that he could learn from but it just wasn’t a situation where he was going to be able play the way he might of preferred. He didn’t strike me as a player that lacked IQ or even playmaking ability. Just a young freshman who had to shoulder the load and played with an attack mentality vs being true point guard.

NC started out with a 6-3 record with cole which flipped to a 4-7 record without him. That alone should tell you something regarding the talent level on the team in general.

I Feel his game becomes better painted in the NBA.

That's possible... I just don't see him as front runner in terms what would be best for our squad. If we get him at say 9th or 10th, when everyone else I wanted if of the table, then I will live with it and root for him.

But if we are picking 6th or highe,r no way in hell do I think he should be considered.

[Fat]

Team needs playmaking , IQ, good shooting....
He gives motor and scoring ...and another guy that wiil need the ball, another guy with questionable efficiency . Not sure if he'll be good from a team aspect. Will he be better than DSJ before he lost total confidence? Even if he is Rookie DSJ Im not feeling a player like that on this squad. Looks good from PR perspective but a fail from a basketball perspective. But I could be wrong.

I want smart players that can pass and shoot. Halliburton's stock is rising for me. Kira, Trae Jones look better IMO

I think cole has gone from overrated to underrated I’ll put it that way.

He doesn’t need the ball. He had to play that way because he had no help, not to say there aren’t things he did wrong that he could learn from but it just wasn’t a situation where he was going to be able play the way he might of preferred. He didn’t strike me as a player that lacked IQ or even playmaking ability. Just a young freshman who had to shoulder the load and played with an attack mentality vs being true point guard.

NC started out with a 6-3 record with cole which flipped to a 4-7 record without him. That alone should tell you something regarding the talent level on the team in general.

I Feel his game becomes better painted in the NBA.

That's possible... I just don't see him as front runner in terms what would be best for our squad. If we get him at say 9th or 10th, when everyone else I wanted if of the table, then I will live with it and root for him.

But if we are picking 6th or highe,r no way in hell do I think he should be considered.

Who in the 6th range has more talent And would be considered BPA?

[RHODEY]

I think cole has gone from overrated to underrated I’ll put it that way.

He doesn’t need the ball. He had to play that way because he had no help, not to say there aren’t things he did wrong that he could learn from but it just wasn’t a situation where he was going to be able play the way he might of preferred. He didn’t strike me as a player that lacked IQ or even playmaking ability. Just a young freshman who had to shoulder the load and played with an attack mentality vs being true point guard.

NC started out with a 6-3 record with cole which flipped to a 4-7 record without him. That alone should tell you something regarding the talent level on the team in general.

I Feel his game becomes better painted in the NBA.

That's possible... I just don't see him as front runner in terms what would be best for our squad. If we get him at say 9th or 10th, when everyone else I wanted if of the table, then I will live with it and root for him.

But if we are picking 6th or highe,r no way in hell do I think he should be considered.

Who in the 6th range has more talent And would be considered BPA?

Just check through this thread and you'll see the consensus. But tankathon has him here:



and I dont disagree....there's at least 9 guys I would take ahead of him, maybe 11....

[HarthorneWingo]

That's possible... I just don't see him as front runner in terms what would be best for our squad. If we get him at say 9th or 10th, when everyone else I wanted if of the table, then I will live with it and root for him.

But if we are picking 6th or highe,r no way in hell do I think he should be considered.

Who in the 6th range has more talent And would be considered BPA?

Just check through this thread and you'll see the consensus. But tankathon has him here:



and I dont disagree....there's at least 9 guys I would take ahead of him, maybe 11....

If Okongwu is still on the board for us, should we take him?

[RHODEY]

Who in the 6th range has more talent And would be considered BPA?

Just check through this thread and you'll see the consensus. But tankathon has him here:



and I dont disagree....there's at least 9 guys I would take ahead of him, maybe 11....

If Okongwu is still on the board for us, should we take him?

Over Cole?..hell yeah and try and nab Kira Lewis or Trae Jones.

[Fat]

That's possible... I just don't see him as front runner in terms what would be best for our squad. If we get him at say 9th or 10th, when everyone else I wanted if of the table, then I will live with it and root for him.

But if we are picking 6th or highe,r no way in hell do I think he should be considered.

Who in the 6th range has more talent And would be considered BPA?

Just check through this thread and you'll see the consensus. But tankathon has him here:



and I dont disagree....there's at least 9 guys I would take ahead of him, maybe 11....

Outside of hailburton and Hayes none of these guys really make sense for the Knicks where I have them ahead of cole.

Hailburton is somebody you draft when you already have the the cereal in place and just need to add milk. The Knicks have no cereal you’d just be pouring milk into the bowl. It’s like the hawks taking hunter 4th they already have trae young and John Collins they have the cereal in place so they can get away with looking for compliment pieces that mesh with that.

Unless the Knicks are SOLD on RJ being that guy the Knicks should be aiming higher. And I like hailburton

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Hayes is intriguing. actually my favorite in the draft as far as point guards go. On the flipside he’s going to come with a learning curve and being patient with.. something the Knicks struggle with.

Some nice potential with Hayes he’s just not as nba ready as other guys

Who else is there really... trade down for maxey or mannion?

[Fat]

Who in the 6th range has more talent And would be considered BPA?

Just check through this thread and you'll see the consensus. But tankathon has him here:



and I dont disagree....there's at least 9 guys I would take ahead of him, maybe 11....

If Okongwu is still on the board for us, should we take him?

Why do we need another big that can’t shoot

[HarthorneWingo]

Just check through this thread and you'll see the consensus. But tankathon has him here:



and I dont disagree....there's at least 9 guys I would take ahead of him, maybe 11....

If Okongwu is still on the board for us, should we take him?

Why do we need another big that can’t shoot

Yeah, I tried to find some highlights of him shooting 3s and couldn't find any. Which is not to say that he can't. He seems to have a soft touch (no, not in the porn way) on his shot. Who do you want?

[HEZI]

Cole's logo range is almost Logo Lillard - esque

I'm taking Cole 2nd overall

Fuq a mock draft!

[HarthorneWingo]

Just check through this thread and you'll see the consensus. But tankathon has him here:



and I dont disagree....there's at least 9 guys I would take ahead of him, maybe 11....

If Okongwu is still on the board for us, should we take him?

Over Cole?..hell yeah and try and nab Kira Lewis or Trae Jones.

That's what my thinking was. Fck Cole. Pick up a PG with the later FRP. Fatboy says no way bc he can't shoot. I didn't see him shooting many outside shots in the highlight clips I've watched so far but from the little I did see he seems to have a nice shooting touch. Sometimes these college kids don't get to show some of their other skills because of the structure of the offense they play in. I remember that was always true with Dean Smith's players. They'd average 15-18 ppg for NC and put up 30 pt games as soon as they got into the NBA. Bob McAdoo, Walter Davis, MIchael, Worthy, etc. I just don't know that much about Kong.

[HEZI]

Killian Hayes has a broken looking shot at the apex. He can create separation for sure and he can get his shot off but that release is bad and inconsistent. Needs a lot of work. Don't think we need another prospect who needs to be taught how to shoot

[HarthorneWingo]

Killian Hayes has a broken looking shot at the apex. He can create separation for sure and he can get his shot off but that release is bad and inconsistent. Needs a lot of work. Don't think we need another prospect who needs to be taught how to shoot

Plus he goes left all the time. I hate that.