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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1381 » by Buzzard » Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:52 pm

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I'm with E-balla but to each his own. I get your rationale but I would never want to have a minute where both Luka/Zion were both on the bench together.

I have built my rotation so that when Curry is getting a breather the offense runs through MPJ.

I agree about Zion and Luka not always being on the bench together. Is the AI so dumb it takes all five starters out at the same time? I never even considered it would.



unless you specifically sent your minute matrix to break up there minutes. I think they would sit them together. Because you have Luka and Zion both at 38 minutes. My assumption is the SIM wouldn't break them up like that.

I have Curry and MPJ both playing 36 mins but specifically sent in my matrix per minute distribution so the SIM doesn't make the mistake of sitting them both together.

I don't think you can assume an AI just figures it takes your two best players and even though you have them playing the same minutes it would automatically redistribute both minutes so they stagger...you gotta do that yourself.

I am the opposite. Since NBA Teams do not sit their best players at the same time, I assumed the AI would copy some of that behavior. For me its called common sense.

I will see how things go tonight. Its a tough match up against the Cavs. Hopefully Sexton has a better game 2 as a starter.
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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1382 » by Smash3 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:02 pm

We've been playing well on both sides, but we're going to try something different with Dallas

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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1383 » by E-Balla » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:06 pm

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Buzzard wrote:I don't expect to beat Cleveland but I'd like to avoid a 30 point beat down. I am starting Sexton, Luka, Zion, Bey, and KP in the hopes I can at least compete tonight.

You might need to go ahead and get into the weeds on your rotation. Zion and Luka need staggered minutes badly.

I don't agree. In the real world Luka would feed Zion down low all night long. Sexton had 9 shots, Zion 10, KP 14. The SIM ball hog point guard Luka had 29.

I think by moving Luka to SG, the shots will be better distributed. Other than Sexton, my primary scorers shot great percentages in a ugly loss. I need Sexton knocking down threes. That is not asking to much considering his career average is .378 ... The SIM God gave him a big goose egg ( 0 - 4 ) in the loss :D

The same real life Luka that ices out KP? He gives him like 14-15 shots a night while he takes 21. Timmy gets 13. Luka has led the league in usage 2 straight years, the boy is a ball hog lol. Great player though.
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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1384 » by El Poochio » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:12 pm

Reduced the stars minutes for b2b against Rockets, did not have time to put up a spreadsheet so good test for bench mob where they will play some minutes without a star
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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1385 » by E-Balla » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:14 pm

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I'm with E-balla but to each his own. I get your rationale but I would never want to have a minute where both Luka/Zion were both on the bench together.

I have built my rotation so that when Curry is getting a breather the offense runs through MPJ.

I agree about Zion and Luka not always being on the bench together. Is the AI so dumb it takes all five starters out at the same time? I never even considered it would.



unless you specifically sent your minute matrix to break up there minutes. I think they would sit them together. Because you have Luka and Zion both at 38 minutes. My assumption is the SIM wouldn't break them up like that.

I have Curry and MPJ both playing 36 mins but specifically sent in my matrix per minute distribution so the SIM doesn't make the mistake of sitting them both together.

I don't think you can assume an AI just figures it takes your two best players and even though you have them playing the same minutes it would automatically redistribute both minutes so they stagger...you gotta do that yourself.

They stagger but barely.

Honestly the biggest issue is you can't put your best lineups out when you want to or optimize lineups. Personally I realized my team can't shoot (especially FTs) so all of my best lineups are at the start of the quarter so I nlcan avoid close games and having to win at the line. If I'm over 70% from the line I'd be lucky most nights.
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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1386 » by El Poochio » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:14 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:Congrats to pooch on an epic OT win.

Gotta add some OT columns into my lineup chart


First non spreadsheet win over a spreadsheet?


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Looks like too much work if you want to switch something up
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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1387 » by Deeeez Knicks » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:17 pm

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First non spreadsheet win over a spreadsheet?


back to the lab

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Looks like too much work if you want to switch something up


I am looking to steal a few people from the Knicks anayltical department to make sure Giannis and Jokic lead the sim in minutes... but will wait a little bit before switching things up
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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1388 » by Buzzard » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:20 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:
Buzzard wrote:I agree about Zion and Luka not always being on the bench together. Is the AI so dumb it takes all five starters out at the same time? I never even considered it would.



unless you specifically sent your minute matrix to break up there minutes. I think they would sit them together. Because you have Luka and Zion both at 38 minutes. My assumption is the SIM wouldn't break them up like that.

I have Curry and MPJ both playing 36 mins but specifically sent in my matrix per minute distribution so the SIM doesn't make the mistake of sitting them both together.

I don't think you can assume an AI just figures it takes your two best players and even though you have them playing the same minutes it would automatically redistribute both minutes so they stagger...you gotta do that yourself.

They stagger but barely.

Honestly the biggest issue is you can't put your best lineups out when you want to or optimize lineups. Personally I realized my team can't shoot (especially FTs) so all of my best lineups are at the start of the quarter so I nlcan avoid close games and having to win at the line. If I'm over 70% from the line I'd be lucky most nights.

This is it to be honest. Changing lineups due to the flow of the game is what coaches do. Obviously no SIM allows that, so we are still at the AI's mercy.
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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1389 » by Capn'O » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:20 pm

I'm gonna need to do one of these fancy spreadsheets.
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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1390 » by Fat » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:23 pm

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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1391 » by Buzzard » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:26 pm

E-Balla wrote:
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E-Balla wrote:You might need to go ahead and get into the weeds on your rotation. Zion and Luka need staggered minutes badly.

I don't agree. In the real world Luka would feed Zion down low all night long. Sexton had 9 shots, Zion 10, KP 14. The SIM ball hog point guard Luka had 29.

I think by moving Luka to SG, the shots will be better distributed. Other than Sexton, my primary scorers shot great percentages in a ugly loss. I need Sexton knocking down threes. That is not asking to much considering his career average is .378 ... The SIM God gave him a big goose egg ( 0 - 4 ) in the loss :D

The same real life Luka that ices out KP? He gives him like 14-15 shots a night while he takes 21. Timmy gets 13. Luka has led the league in usage 2 straight years, the boy is a ball hog lol. Great player though.

Luka is a super high usage player but 29 shots is even high for him :D I really think playing him somewhere other than PG is the key.
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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1392 » by mpharris36 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:29 pm

E-Balla wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Buzzard wrote:I agree about Zion and Luka not always being on the bench together. Is the AI so dumb it takes all five starters out at the same time? I never even considered it would.



unless you specifically sent your minute matrix to break up there minutes. I think they would sit them together. Because you have Luka and Zion both at 38 minutes. My assumption is the SIM wouldn't break them up like that.

I have Curry and MPJ both playing 36 mins but specifically sent in my matrix per minute distribution so the SIM doesn't make the mistake of sitting them both together.

I don't think you can assume an AI just figures it takes your two best players and even though you have them playing the same minutes it would automatically redistribute both minutes so they stagger...you gotta do that yourself.

They stagger but barely.

Honestly the biggest issue is you can't put your best lineups out when you want to or optimize lineups. Personally I realized my team can't shoot (especially FTs) so all of my best lineups are at the start of the quarter so I nlcan avoid close games and having to win at the line. If I'm over 70% from the line I'd be lucky most nights.



Gotcha I just know I have a 97 scoring guy so when he's in he is going to get a majority of the shots up (which I want).

MPJ has 74 scoring so he would get washed out a lot if he played all his minutes with Curry. So I make sure 10-12 mins Curry is out I want those to be lead by MPJ getting shots up.

I feel that is the best way to optimize my scoring output.
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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1393 » by El Poochio » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:31 pm

Angryfatboy wrote:Got my first baf win the other day and the tank starts tonight :D

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You should try to go 82-0 imo
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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1394 » by Fat » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:43 pm

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Angryfatboy wrote:Got my first baf win the other day and the tank starts tonight :D

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You should try to go 82-0 imo


Only if you give me trae young and the rest of your picks :)
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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1395 » by 2010 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:04 pm

Capn'O wrote:I'm gonna need to do one of these fancy spreadsheets.


I have joined the spreadsheet minute matrix darkside.

Hopefully breaking lineups down to the 2-min intervals helps me get more offense out of my squad. So far our defense has been intact but the offense was lacking.

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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1396 » by 2010 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:06 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
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unless you specifically sent your minute matrix to break up there minutes. I think they would sit them together. Because you have Luka and Zion both at 38 minutes. My assumption is the SIM wouldn't break them up like that.

I have Curry and MPJ both playing 36 mins but specifically sent in my matrix per minute distribution so the SIM doesn't make the mistake of sitting them both together.

I don't think you can assume an AI just figures it takes your two best players and even though you have them playing the same minutes it would automatically redistribute both minutes so they stagger...you gotta do that yourself.

They stagger but barely.

Honestly the biggest issue is you can't put your best lineups out when you want to or optimize lineups. Personally I realized my team can't shoot (especially FTs) so all of my best lineups are at the start of the quarter so I nlcan avoid close games and having to win at the line. If I'm over 70% from the line I'd be lucky most nights.



Gotcha I just know I have a 97 scoring guy so when he's in he is going to get a majority of the shots up (which I want).

MPJ has 74 scoring so he would get washed out a lot if he played all his minutes with Curry. So I make sure 10-12 mins Curry is out I want those to be lead by MPJ getting shots up.

I feel that is the best way to optimize my scoring output.


I used the same exact logic when staggering LeBron (88 SCR) and LeVert (77 SCR).

My mindset was hoping I can get the most out of LeVert while LeBron is sitting to avoid scoring droughts. Cuz the Raptors offense has been subpar thus far.
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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1397 » by mpharris36 » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:15 pm

2010 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:I'm gonna need to do one of these fancy spreadsheets.


I have joined the spreadsheet minute matrix darkside.

Hopefully breaking lineups down to the 2-min intervals helps me get more offense out of my squad. So far our defense has been intact but the offense was lacking.

Another test tonight against Da Bulls!



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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1398 » by El Poochio » Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:45 pm

Angryfatboy wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
Angryfatboy wrote:Got my first baf win the other day and the tank starts tonight :D

Vets like iguodala, Howard available @ 1/15

Everyone else still available (if interested)


You should try to go 82-0 imo


Only if you give me trae young and the rest of your picks :)


Where is Primo in your sig?

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Re: Build a Franchise (Season 5)- Discussion thread 

Post#1399 » by Fat » Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:04 pm

El Poochio wrote:
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El Poochio wrote:
You should try to go 82-0 imo


Only if you give me trae young and the rest of your picks :)


Where is Primo in your sig?

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Post#1400 » by Buzzard » Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:41 pm

Everyone knows this is my first go at a SIM league, so here is my short take. Its not the Wolverine AI that everyone likes. From what I have gathered, its just as weak or weaker than NBA2K when it comes to lineups and minutes. Its the lineup customization in Wolverine that most love.
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