Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

[KnicksGadfly]

Randle and Mitch for Ayton, Grant and two picks

Oh damn, which picks?

[Wildcat]

Question, if the Knicks for whatever reason decided that they did not want to move forward with Randle past his current contract would anyone be open to trading him for iHart if somehow Chet does not work at the 4 and OKC feels iHart's salary could be used for someone else other than 14-18 minutes as a backup center?

Would you keep Randle through the playoffs just to see the ceiling of the current roster? Would you look to trade him for a different type of player than iHart?

Losing Randle hurts the ceiling of the team offensively but bringing back iHart obviously fills the hole he left and improves the defense. OG can slide up to the 4, Mikal to the 3 and either Hart or DDV at the 2. Depending on how Mikal and the offense looks I would definitely be open to bringing iHart back.

For OKC they have a better complimentary big for Randle in Chet that can open up the floor unlike Mitch while also protecting the paint. They also have enough shooting and defense to surround him with while he won't be expected to carry the offensive load as often.

The reports are that there isn't a big market for Randle and there probably aren't too many teams willing to send out much positive value for iHart at $30million per.

No.

But also from the articles I read a few weeks ago from OKC, I-Hart is expected to come off the bench. Not sure if anything has changed, but that's his role at the moment.

[RHODEY]

All I know is Ihart floater package will be severely missed. We might actually underachieve without Ihart

But we have OG and Mikal to make up for it.

Those guys aren’t centers though we have no versatility at center anymore

We'll be more than OK come December....

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[nykballa2k4]

But we have OG and Mikal to make up for it.

Those guys aren’t centers though we have no versatility at center anymore

We'll be more than OK come December....

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Never been a big Jonas fan, but I will gladly take him with open arms.

[JayTWill]

Question, if the Knicks for whatever reason decided that they did not want to move forward with Randle past his current contract would anyone be open to trading him for iHart if somehow Chet does not work at the 4 and OKC feels iHart's salary could be used for someone else other than 14-18 minutes as a backup center?

Would you keep Randle through the playoffs just to see the ceiling of the current roster? Would you look to trade him for a different type of player than iHart?

Losing Randle hurts the ceiling of the team offensively but bringing back iHart obviously fills the hole he left and improves the defense. OG can slide up to the 4, Mikal to the 3 and either Hart or DDV at the 2. Depending on how Mikal and the offense looks I would definitely be open to bringing iHart back.

For OKC they have a better complimentary big for Randle in Chet that can open up the floor unlike Mitch while also protecting the paint. They also have enough shooting and defense to surround him with while he won't be expected to carry the offensive load as often.

The reports are that there isn't a big market for Randle and there probably aren't too many teams willing to send out much positive value for iHart at $30million per.

No.

But also from the articles I read a few weeks ago from OKC, I-Hart is expected to come off the bench. Not sure if anything has changed, but that's his role at the moment.

I assumed they would attempt to play Chet some minutes at the 4 alongside iHart. I can't imagine they paid him that much money just to give iHart 12-18 minutes per game. He might be the highest paid regular rotation player in the league per minute if that is the case.

[Wildcat]

Question, if the Knicks for whatever reason decided that they did not want to move forward with Randle past his current contract would anyone be open to trading him for iHart if somehow Chet does not work at the 4 and OKC feels iHart's salary could be used for someone else other than 14-18 minutes as a backup center?

Would you keep Randle through the playoffs just to see the ceiling of the current roster? Would you look to trade him for a different type of player than iHart?

Losing Randle hurts the ceiling of the team offensively but bringing back iHart obviously fills the hole he left and improves the defense. OG can slide up to the 4, Mikal to the 3 and either Hart or DDV at the 2. Depending on how Mikal and the offense looks I would definitely be open to bringing iHart back.

For OKC they have a better complimentary big for Randle in Chet that can open up the floor unlike Mitch while also protecting the paint. They also have enough shooting and defense to surround him with while he won't be expected to carry the offensive load as often.

The reports are that there isn't a big market for Randle and there probably aren't too many teams willing to send out much positive value for iHart at $30million per.

No.

But also from the articles I read a few weeks ago from OKC, I-Hart is expected to come off the bench. Not sure if anything has changed, but that's his role at the moment.

I assumed they would attempt to play Chet some minutes at the 4 alongside iHart. I can't imagine they paid him that much money just to give iHart 12-18 minutes per game. He might be the highest paid regular rotation player in the league per minute if that is the case.

My assumption, too. But this is coming from OKC beat writers and they know more than me. They're expecting the lineup to be SGA, Dort, Caruso, Chet, and Williams. They can certainly experiment with lineups, but I can't imagine SGA running point full time is the move. Dort is their best wing defender. And I can't imagine they'd have Jalen come off the bench.

All signs seem to point to him being a super bench player and that contract season is going to look tasty if it doesn't pan out or if a bigger name becomes available. Next offseason there will be a much bigger free agent class than it was this season.

More I look at the signing, the more it seems they might try to flip I-Hart for someone better.

[aggo]

Go Get Chris Bosh

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Go Get Chris Bosh

You can do better with your Go Gets...

[DaGawd]

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if he’s as maniacal as his uncle… we’re in good hands

[R-DAWG]

Brunson can say that, but at the end of the day they traded a ton of assets to get him and being a 17ppg guy would be an abject failure. He has to be more based on what they gave up and how little we can improve in the future through trades/FA, they need him to be a 22-24ppg guy if they seriously want to win a title. If he's the guy that averaged 24ppg against the Sixers in the playoffs, he's the second best player on the team and we'll win a title, if he's a 17-19ppg guy we're cooked.

Forcing Mikal to be a 2nd option is why he was so ineffective on the Nets though. He was so bad this year, that Cam Thomas leap frogged him as the #1 option on the team. When Mikal averaged 24 PPG in that playoff series he was inefficient and the Nets got swept. And he also stopped playing defense. When he was the 3rd-4th option on the Suns, they went to the finals. I think getting an efficient 17-19 points with lockdown defense is a much better avenue for success than forcing an inefficient 24 PPG with no defense. We're likely gonna get 25-28 PPG from Brunson, Randle should give us 20-25 PPG, Mikal with 17-19 PPG. That's a lot of scoring. OG will probably give us 15 PPG too. And now we have Donte as a 6th man who's gonna torch benches.

Isn't the way you described Mikal in Brooklyn basically the same description that could be given of Randle in New York? Neither one of them would be my ideal second option but why are you so much higher on Randle in that role based on the flaws you described in Mikal's game? I agree that I prefer Mikal as a more efficient 3rd option that defends at a high level but I imagine that Randle would have looked worse than he did last year if he was on that Nets team too.

Mikal has the skill set to be a great #3. At his best he’s a lockdown defender and knock down shooter who can put the ball on the floor and create a little if you close out too hard on him.

Randle can’t fit in that role.

Neither guy is suited to be the #2 option on a championship team. But Randle has proven himself as a middle of the rotation innings eater who can carry a team to the playoffs.

[RHODEY]

Those guys aren’t centers though we have no versatility at center anymore

We'll be more than OK come December....

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Never been a big Jonas fan, but I will gladly take him with open arms.

Well since some are concerned with missing Ihart's offense Vali gives you even more of that.

[spree2kawhi]

Maybe we should just clog the paint with Boban and call it a day.

[Iron Mantis]

Sign Michael Doleac for the vet min

[3toheadmelo]

So inefficient scoring in the playoffs is an issue for Mikal but not Randle. Being leap-frogged as #1 option by a smaller scoring guard is an issue for Mikal and not Randle and lack of defense when taking on a more featured role is an issue for Mikal and not Randle. Why? Because awards. The same awards Brunson did not receive in his first year in New York meaning he should not have been one of the top options in the offense either I guess.

Did Mikal play on an ankle that required surgery?

Did Mikal get leap frogged by a top 10 player in the league?

Did Mikal have a far superior first playoff performance as a #1 option without any all-stars/all NBA players on the roster against a far better team?

Is Jalen Brunson only allowed to be called a top 10 player now because of the All-Star/All NBA awards? Was even allowed to be called a top 50-100 player his first year in New York without these all important awards?

Did Mikal not average 35% FG for the next 3 games of the series?

Are you arguing that Mikal is a better player than Randle?

Why won’t you acknowledge that Randle played in the playoffs with one ankle that required surgery?

Did Mikal get leap frogged by a top 10 player?

[3toheadmelo]

A look at Aaron Mintz paying 3tohead to defend Julius on die internet

Me and Aaron Mintz after he hooks me up with a lifetime supply of Oreos

[KnixinSix]

Forcing Mikal to be a 2nd option is why he was so ineffective on the Nets though. He was so bad this year, that Cam Thomas leap frogged him as the #1 option on the team. When Mikal averaged 24 PPG in that playoff series he was inefficient and the Nets got swept. And he also stopped playing defense. When he was the 3rd-4th option on the Suns, they went to the finals. I think getting an efficient 17-19 points with lockdown defense is a much better avenue for success than forcing an inefficient 24 PPG with no defense. We're likely gonna get 25-28 PPG from Brunson, Randle should give us 20-25 PPG, Mikal with 17-19 PPG. That's a lot of scoring. OG will probably give us 15 PPG too. And now we have Donte as a 6th man who's gonna torch benches.

Isn't the way you described Mikal in Brooklyn basically the same description that could be given of Randle in New York? Neither one of them would be my ideal second option but why are you so much higher on Randle in that role based on the flaws you described in Mikal's game? I agree that I prefer Mikal as a more efficient 3rd option that defends at a high level but I imagine that Randle would have looked worse than he did last year if he was on that Nets team too.

Mikal has the skill set to be a great #3. At his best he’s a lockdown defender and knock down shooter who can put the ball on the floor and create a little if you close out too hard on him.

Randle can’t fit in that role.

Neither guy is suited to be the #2 option on a championship team. But Randle has proven himself as a middle of the rotation innings eater who can carry a team to the playoffs.

A 25/10/5 guy that is usually 45+ FG% is more than an innings eater. The hate for Randle has really jumped the shark here.

He also looked like he was becoming more a team player last year. He absolutely commands doubles and even triples in the low post. He is way more than some innings eater.

If he picks his spots better as he was doing Post OG prior to injury the dude is 100% a viable #2 for this team.

[aggo]

Isn't the way you described Mikal in Brooklyn basically the same description that could be given of Randle in New York? Neither one of them would be my ideal second option but why are you so much higher on Randle in that role based on the flaws you described in Mikal's game? I agree that I prefer Mikal as a more efficient 3rd option that defends at a high level but I imagine that Randle would have looked worse than he did last year if he was on that Nets team too.

Mikal has the skill set to be a great #3. At his best he’s a lockdown defender and knock down shooter who can put the ball on the floor and create a little if you close out too hard on him.

Randle can’t fit in that role.

Neither guy is suited to be the #2 option on a championship team. But Randle has proven himself as a middle of the rotation innings eater who can carry a team to the playoffs.

A 25/10/5 guy that is usually 45+ FG% is more than an innings eater. The hate for Randle has really jumped the shark here.

He also looked like he was becoming more a team player last year. He absolutely commands doubles and even triples in the low post. He is way more than some innings eater.

If he picks his spots better as he was doing Post OG prior to injury the dude is 100% a viable #2 for this team.

That’s the problem with Randle.

He wants to be a 25/10/5 guy

But he’s not efficient enough to command that level of touches.

The sweet spot for Randle is 18/8/5.

[3toheadmelo]

Mikal has the skill set to be a great #3. At his best he’s a lockdown defender and knock down shooter who can put the ball on the floor and create a little if you close out too hard on him.

Randle can’t fit in that role.

Neither guy is suited to be the #2 option on a championship team. But Randle has proven himself as a middle of the rotation innings eater who can carry a team to the playoffs.

A 25/10/5 guy that is usually 45+ FG% is more than an innings eater. The hate for Randle has really jumped the shark here.

He also looked like he was becoming more a team player last year. He absolutely commands doubles and even triples in the low post. He is way more than some innings eater.

If he picks his spots better as he was doing Post OG prior to injury the dude is 100% a viable #2 for this team.

That’s the problem with Randle.

He wants to be a 25/10/5 guy

But he’s not efficient enough to command that level of touches.

The sweet spot for Randle is 18/8/5.

Randle was scoring less before he got hurt and was trying to be more of a facilitator. Looked like he was finding a way to incorporate OG into the offense and being a better facilitator. He was pretty efficient and I imagine it will look even better with Mikal.

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[aggo]

A 25/10/5 guy that is usually 45+ FG% is more than an innings eater. The hate for Randle has really jumped the shark here.

He also looked like he was becoming more a team player last year. He absolutely commands doubles and even triples in the low post. He is way more than some innings eater.

If he picks his spots better as he was doing Post OG prior to injury the dude is 100% a viable #2 for this team.

That’s the problem with Randle.

He wants to be a 25/10/5 guy

But he’s not efficient enough to command that level of touches.

The sweet spot for Randle is 18/8/5.

Randle was scoring less before he got hurt and was trying to be more of a facilitator. Looked like he was finding a way to incorporate OG into the offense and being a better facilitator. He was pretty efficient and I imagine it will look even better with Mikal.

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randle's actual last 10 games

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[3toheadmelo]

That’s the problem with Randle.

He wants to be a 25/10/5 guy

But he’s not efficient enough to command that level of touches.

The sweet spot for Randle is 18/8/5.

Randle was scoring less before he got hurt and was trying to be more of a facilitator. Looked like he was finding a way to incorporate OG into the offense and being a better facilitator. He was pretty efficient and I imagine it will look even better with Mikal.

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randle's actual last 10 games

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How did we go 11-1 if he did that every game then agg0? You guys fall for random isolated clips on twitter