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July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread

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Re: July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread 

Post#13941 » by Drun53 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:26 pm

GONYK wrote:I think the story is basically that the Clippers are scrambling and making a last ditch effort.

I can't see DJ really taking this seriously or any of this speculation coming from the DJ camp



It sounds real to me. Per this Marc Stein article, DJ is "torn" and "unsure".

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13221695/los-angeles-clippers-lobbying-deandre-jordan-back-deal-dallas-mavericks

Sam Amick also tweeted out that there are some who are 'very concerned' in the Mavs organization.

I think he goes back to LAC.
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Post#13942 » by K_ick_God » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:27 pm

Seems like he may stay with Dallas.

What all of this means is that you can't really take a player's word to the bank. It does mess up planning and the NBA would have to do something if it became an epidemic.

But would they do anything now in this case? No. Cuban would just be out of luck.

In the future, they may require that no oral agreements are reached in the Moratorium. They may require that everything is done in writing first. That is hard to enforce but they could do it. It would make business harder to do.

But that's going forward. Looking back, they couldn't do a thing IMO.
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Post#13943 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:27 pm

some of y'all wanted this fragile mental midget too.
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Post#13944 » by kingquan316 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:28 pm

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Yea, but CP3 and Doc are doing the right thing in trying to make him come back. It would make them top 3 contender status with Dendre. Ethical or not, if it was the Knicks, I would hope they do the same thing.


CP3 and co. should have shown up to the first meeting if they cared that much


bingo, its shady business. It's not the way things should be conducted.


Yea it's shady, but if Jordan is the key piece to them being a title contender or not, if I was a clipper fan I would want them to give it one last shot at making him come back. Besides it would mainly be Jordan's fault if he goes back on the verbal agreement, not the Clips. If he was so committed to the Mavs, he wouldn't even have this meeting today with the Clips.
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Post#13945 » by SelbyCobra » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:29 pm

Good job, good effort, Parsons, but it's time to take your recruiting game to the next level now.

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Post#13946 » by King of Canada » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:29 pm

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The NBA absolutely sets contract law when it comes to their contracts. That's what the CBA is for. It nullifies and replaces any other type of contract law. The CBA reigns supreme here. Could Cuban challenge it in court? Sure. You can always try that. The court will say it's up to the NBA.


And even though Cuban's ego would go in that direction, would he want to go to court? Imagine Jordan showing up to court after being forced to the Mavs?


The endgame wouldn't be Jordan going reluctantly to Dallas, it'd be Dallas getting compensation from LA.


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Post#13947 » by Drun53 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:30 pm

What could prevent this from happening is what Brian Cuban (Mark's brother) is saying. He says that the state of Texas has a tort of interference with prospective business relationships.
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Post#13948 » by And100 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:31 pm

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And even though Cuban's ego would go in that direction, would he want to go to court? Imagine Jordan showing up to court after being forced to the Mavs?


The endgame wouldn't be Jordan going reluctantly to Dallas, it'd be Dallas getting compensation from LA.


By compensation, what exactly are you referring to? Draft picks? Players? Cash? All of the above?


Any and or all.
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Post#13949 » by GONYK » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:31 pm

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I think if Dallas can make the case that they made other decisions based on that verbal agreement that have cost them in some way, the NBA can do something about it.


"detrimental reliance"


None of that will apply. The CBA is all that matters. I don't think the CBA has any room for that here, though I suppose the commissioner could just step in and rule by fiat.

That seems like it COULD happen but it's tough. Basically sets a very bizarre precedent where a handshake then FORCES you to sign a contract. Silver is going to force Jordan to sign a contract? I know this might sound crazy to you but that gets into issues of indentured servitude or the like which is not allowed under ANY CBA or other contract-based system lol.

Silver could suspend Jordan or block him from signing with the Clippers, as a way of forcing him to honor his commitment. I wouldn't be that shocked. Yet it does open up a huge can of worms. You can't force someone to work at a specific job or to sign a contract that he or she doesn't want to sign anymore ... as a rule of thumb.


Nothing would happen to Jordan. I think the Clips would have to compensate the Mavs in some way.
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Post#13950 » by K_ick_God » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:31 pm

The NBA really would have a hard time forcing a player to play anywhere. Even within the CBA, you can't really do that. Again, it gets into a very difficult area -- one where people are forced to take certain jobs.

It's a big no-no. Once you have a contract, sure -- you couldn't force Jordan to play for Dallas, but you can legitimately say he has no right to go elsewhere because the Mavs hold his contract rights. That's different. But the Mavs don't own his contract rights. The key is forcing someone into something or to sign a contract somewhere -- in this case, Dallas.

If Jordan already signed, then they're preventing him from NOT doing something -- going to another team.

If he didn't sign, then you can't "COERCE" someone into signing. It's just not something that is done.

Again, the commissioner could probably step in. He may encourage DJ to live up to his commitment. But whether he would suspend him or do something else to coerce him to Dallas? That's a very difficult path. I know it sounds crazy, but it gets into issues of human rights.
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Post#13951 » by kingquan316 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:32 pm

I'm gonna call Jordan returns to the Clips.

He wouldn't be taking the meeting if he wasn't interested on coming back to them. He seems to be one of those players that want attention and wanna feel like they matter to the team, and Doc and CP3 will give him that in this meeting.
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Post#13952 » by siar617 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:32 pm

Ron Mexico wrote:some of y'all wanted this fragile mental midget too.

I wanted the mental midget that went to the Bucks.
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Post#13953 » by JXL » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:33 pm

I imagine Mark Cuban reacting to this in a sensible manner:

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Post#13954 » by kingquan316 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:34 pm

KnicksGod wrote:The NBA really would have a hard time forcing a player to play anywhere. Even within the CBA, you can't really do that. Again, it gets into a very difficult area -- one where people are forced to take certain jobs.

It's a big no-no. Once you have a contract, sure -- you couldn't force Jordan to play for Dallas, but you can legitimately say he has no right to go elsewhere because the Mavs hold his contract rights. That's different. But the Mavs don't own his contract rights. The key is forcing someone into something or to sign a contract somewhere -- in this case, Dallas.

If Jordan already signed, then they're preventing him from NOT doing something -- going to another team.

If he didn't sign, then you can't "COERCE" someone into signing. It's just not something that is done.

Again, the commissioner could probably step in. He may encourage DJ to live up to his commitment. But whether he would suspend him or do something else to coerce him to Dallas? That's a very difficult path. I know it sounds crazy, but it gets into issues of human rights.


Nothing will happen. It's a verbal agreement, and nothing is signed.

If there was a problem with Jordan going back on his agreement with the Mavs, the NBA would have prevented him from meeting with the Clips today. No problem, so the meeting is on.
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Post#13955 » by Drun53 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:35 pm

Ramona Sherlburne @ramonashelburne

Told this stuff with DeAndre started on Monday when he started having second thoughts about his decision
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Post#13956 » by Drun53 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:37 pm

Ramona Sherlburne @ramonashelburne

The Clippers are now "hopeful" that DeAndre will return, I'm told.
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Post#13957 » by SelbyCobra » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:38 pm

Can you all imagine if Jordan had chosen the Knicks and this news was breaking on us? We'd all be losing our minds. :lol:

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Post#13958 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:39 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Seems like he may stay with Dallas.

What all of this means is that you can't really take a player's word to the bank. It does mess up planning and the NBA would have to do something if it became an epidemic.

But would they do anything now in this case? No. Cuban would just be out of luck.

In the future, they may require that no oral agreements are reached in the Moratorium. They may require that everything is done in writing first. That is hard to enforce but they could do it. It would make business harder to do.

But that's going forward. Looking back, they couldn't do a thing IMO.


yeah. it happens. didn't boozer do the same thing?

no contracts are signed, which is why i was always adamant about changing the titles on threads using that language until the moratorium ends. everyone is still free to move around. it's rare, but it still happens, and it's perfectly allowable.

is it a good look? of course not.
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Post#13959 » by Traveyknicks23 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:40 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Governor Dudley wrote:Deandre Jordan is a babyback bitch.



Yep. Spineless.

No just unsure its a pretty big decision man
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Post#13960 » by Traveyknicks23 » Wed Jul 8, 2015 5:41 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:Can you all imagine if Jordan had chosen the Knicks and this news was breaking on us? We'd all be losing our minds. :lol:

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That is truly some scary **** like nightmare scary

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