[Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for NYK! Part 5

[Pharmcat]

Yeah we can keep Chandler if we trade for Anthony. That's my offer too. Curry and Randolph and picks or whatever.

Gallo
Randolph
Walker
Curry

fair enough

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

i think the knicks are very torn now about breaking up the team too much. i suspect they'll wait a little while to really evaluate. these next 2 weeks will tell us a lot. if we go .500 against these teams i expect them to really low ball denver.

Excellent point. It'd be worthwhile to see exactly what we have here already, so this next stretch will be very important.

Chemistry is one of our biggest assets right now and it'll be hard enough for the team to adjust to Melo, but adding in guys like Mayo and Harrington could really mess with our cohesion.

[Fury]

Yeah we can keep Chandler if we trade for Anthony. That's my offer too. Curry and Randolph and picks or whatever.

Gallo
Randolph
Walker
Curry

No thanks. I'm keeping Gallo.

[knicks742]

I keep thinking of what Donnie said: No gutting of the team. Someone needs to ask the old man what does gutting the team mean to him? That will give us our answer as to what we are willing to give up.

[CHARLYMURPHY]

Yeah we can keep Chandler if we trade for Anthony. That's my offer too. Curry and Randolph and picks or whatever.

Gallo
Randolph
Walker
Curry

No thanks. I'm keeping Gallo.

I think that trade would be really beneficial to us, were pretty much giving up 3 scrubs and gallo. I would trade Gallo for Melo in a heartbeat. and we still get to keep Chandler who is the better player IMO

[Pharmcat]

that trade would be perfect

we are losing only one rotational player, and replacing it with melo

walker, AR, curry are all bench warmers here anyways and dont help us win games

[MaseInYourFace]

I don't mind Harrington although I'm not a big fan of his. He's a good scorer off the bench and on the right team one with vet leadership he would contribute. The problem with Harrington here was that he was one of our better players (goes to show you how bad we were not that long ago) and he felt like he had a leadership position which is a total fail unto itself...

[Fury]

I think that trade would be really beneficial to us, were pretty much giving up 3 scrubs and gallo. I would trade Gallo for Melo in a heartbeat. and we still get to keep Chandler who is the better player IMO

So no trade. I rather keep Gallo and Randolph and sign Melo. We lose Chandler if he's coming as a FA but that's a risk I'll take, even though I think the Denver will take whatever so I'll give them the offer without Gallo. They don't like Gallo anyway.

[devv83]

Melo and Iverson won 50 games together Melo avg 25.7, 7.4., 3.5 on 49% shooting that yr, actually it was one of his best yrs. So to say he cant play with another ball dominant player is crazy, he played with perhaps the most ball dominant chucker in league history

Playoffs yes Melo only got out of the first round once. Out of the 7 times he has been there he has faced the league champion spurs twice, league champion lakers twice, minesotta when they had spee, kg, and casell his rookie yr and the clippers when they tanked to get Melo he was triple teamed all series the next best player on that team was Demarr Johnson and Andre miller who can shoot jumpers, the utah series the nuggets were the favorite and Melo went for 31 8, and 3 on 48% shooting in that series, he showed up. So basically the nuggets were favorites for two yrs in the playoffs and they won 1.

Another thing is Melo is a willing passer people just assume he isn't because that's his rep same with defense he is a great man on man defender, he does ball watch though sometimes and his man gets lost.

The selfish thing is ridiculous , because Durant shoots more and avg less assist yet no one and I mean no one calls Durant selfish

[Lord Commander]

I keep thinking of what Donnie said: No gutting of the team. Someone needs to ask the old man what does gutting the team mean to him? That will give us our answer as to what we are willing to give up.

He won't answer that because it'll mean tipping his hand.

[towelie]

Yeah free candy would be a tough one. But if Gallo and Wilson end up dealt, we would need him. What a dummy he was here. But the dude is a warrior. My thinking is behind all that talent and leadership he would have a much better 2nd go around.

But its possible he goes to a 3rd team. The thing is, unless its Moz, or a 3rd team we dont know about, Harrington is the only guy that holds up a deal till the 15th. Thats why I suspect he is involved.

I would prefer Harrington was not part of the deal, but I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back if it allowed us to keep other assets out of the deal. We could then flip those assets to fill our need at center, like Camby or whoever.

I hated Harrington's style of play, but always admired his heart. He was the only Knick in the past two seasons who seemed to be visibly upset with all the losing -- the only one who at least tried to step up as a leader, even if he wasn't one. If he were to come back, I'd hope that by falling behind Melo/Amare, Harrington can just focus on what he does best -- bench scoring. And hopefully being on a winning team brings back that defensive intensity he once had when he came off the bench for those 60+ win Indiana teams.

Harrington's biggest knock throughout his career has always been that he thinks he's a star scorer when he's not. So hopefully by playing with two clear alpha dogs in Melo/Amare, he can finally learn to play within the flow of the offense instead of trying to be the hero.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Comparing Melo to Chandler/Gallo is like comparing Amare to Lee.

Lee and Chandler/Gallo are both good players, but just not on the same level as Amare and Melo.

Its something you can't judge by stats either.

[god shammgod]

I keep thinking of what Donnie said: No gutting of the team. Someone needs to ask the old man what does gutting the team mean to him? That will give us our answer as to what we are willing to give up.

i think gutting the team means giving up enough players that we have to take a step back before we can take a step forward. the knicks have finally turned the corner. msg is alive. the media believes in the team. we have a big man who is carrying the team in a similar way that another legendary big man once did. it's a huge risk to interrupt this if you have the slightest doubt you may derail the team even if you think this current team is not a championship contender.

[ThePrez86]

Also, to the people saying that acquiring Melo would help relieve the minutes on the Knicks' starters, I'm not really clear on how you add depth by trading some combination of Gallo/Chandler/Fields to get him.

Chandler is a nice piece but he's not untradeable. If I could move him in a package for a great defensive center with a halfway decent offensive game, I would.

So you're not against trading Chandler and others in a package for a player to make them better, just not a certain player, correct?

Chandler is not untradeable. I like him a lot but I'd be happy to move him if I thought he'd bring back a major upgrade to a relatively weak area of the team. I don't want to trade for a player just for the sake of trading for a player or just because a player may have a big name. I want a guy whose game will actually fill weak areas on the team and complement and accentuate the other players already on the roster.

Generally speaking, even aside from Carmelo, I think some people fail to get the idea that not every player (even the so-called superstars) is a great fit for every team. Player A might help Team X a lot. That same Player A might help Team Y only a little. And that same Player A might actually hurt Team Z. It's not enough to just throw in another big name. You have to consider how he will fit in.

[kane2021]

I keep thinking of what Donnie said: No gutting of the team. Someone needs to ask the old man what does gutting the team mean to him? That will give us our answer as to what we are willing to give up.

Yeah. Im not sure what his definition is. If I had to guess, based off what I have seen in his time here, I think Wilson/Gallo/AR and one of TD and Landry in a single trade for one or two players would be gutting the team.

If its a combination of those guys in 2 separate deals, its not exactly gutting. But retooling. You would have to readjust your whole game plan. But the team would not be lacking balance and talent.

Donnie has preached balance also. Honestly I have no idea. Im just trying to plug direct quotes together and build a image. Hard to believe this has been a 6 month cloud. Time is flying.

[MSGBallerz]

The guys I want to keep are Felton, Amare, Chandler, and Fields. Ship the rest for Melo and a defensive center.

[kane2021]

Yeah free candy would be a tough one. But if Gallo and Wilson end up dealt, we would need him. What a dummy he was here. But the dude is a warrior. My thinking is behind all that talent and leadership he would have a much better 2nd go around.

But its possible he goes to a 3rd team. The thing is, unless its Moz, or a 3rd team we dont know about, Harrington is the only guy that holds up a deal till the 15th. Thats why I suspect he is involved.

I would prefer Harrington was not part of the deal, but I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back if it allowed us to keep other assets out of the deal. We could then flip those assets to fill our need at center, like Camby or whoever.

I hated Harrington's style of play, but always admired his heart. He was the only Knick in the past two seasons who seemed to be visibly upset with all the losing -- the only one who at least tried to step up as a leader, even if he wasn't one. If he were to come back, I'd hope that by falling behind Melo/Amare, Harrington can just focus on what he does best -- bench scoring. And hopefully being on a winning team brings back that defensive intensity he once had when he came off the bench for those 60+ win Indiana teams.

Harrington's biggest knock throughout his career has always been that he thinks he's a star scorer when he's not. So hopefully by playing with two clear alpha dogs in Melo/Amare, he can finally learn to play within the flow of the offense instead of trying to be the hero.

Im with you 100%. I would rather not take him back either. But if it came down to it, it would not be the worst thing in the world. And I might prefer it to say........JR Smith. Who is expiring, and IMO just a total trouble maker who would have a hard time in NYC.

All those reason you bring up about harrington are my exact thinking. Also with the way Felton is playing it kind of closes the CP3 door for me. At least for now. So adding salary would not be the worst thing for us.

We know NYK is not shy to pay. 100 million pay roll is nothing. Its how its been spent in the past that hurt us. Walsh wanted to cut payroll for free agency. But after we get the players we want, its right back to big spending. But this time for the right players.

[knicksup19]

injury
depth (if we dont sell the farm)
additional closer
better offensively
more space for the Pnr (Melo must be game planned for thus taking some emphasis off the PNr defense and re-routed to gaurding melo)
Draws doubles teams ( more open shots)
Free throw attempts (free points)
Superstar whistle from refs
Makes team better due to attention on him (ex fields would not be as effective if not for the amare and felton combo teams focus on them and fields has free lanes to fly through)
Our team FG% will most likely increase because melo will get double team and the defense will lean to him opening shots

Also comparing stats is not a statistical correlation there are lurking variables such as double teams and being game plan for.. with this melo still average 28 pts last season.

[Pharmcat]

if melo REALLY wants to come here :

all he needs to do is have one of his handlers leak to sheridan or broussard that he is not worried bout the next cba as he knows the endorsements, citing the study knicks used on lebron, in a big market can make up the difference in the contract

that would corner DEN and force their hand

[Fury]

if melo REALLY wants to come here :

all he needs to do is have one of his handlers leak to sheridan or broussard that he is not worried bout the next cba as he knows the endorsements, citing the study knicks used on lebron, in a big market can make up the difference in the contract

that would corner DEN and force their hand

If that is the case, why give up Gallo?