2011 NBA Draft Thread II (New Poll & Mock Draft Results)

[TrueWarrior]

Time for Walsh to screw the fantasy of 2012 and go ahead and start buying up those picks.

he wont do it, its not his MO

Toney Douglas and Jerome Jordan disagree with you. Donnie will do what he thinks is best. I want to buy a pick and grab Nogueira if I had a choice. He wouldnt impact 2012 if he stayed overseas for a season or two. But yea I would def try and add a pick. If CP3 is coming we can always trade a young player on a rookie deal to clear capspace if we need to. However signing JR Smith for the MLE? No .

[Greenie]

Why would anyone want Motiejunas? He's a project who can't rebound, play inside and he's soft and lacks a motor. I'm personally sick of drafting these type of bigs. Draft a C or a PF who play like a real C or PF. Enough of having the Center stand 25 feet from the hoop at both ends, it's stupid.

Because guys who play like a real C or PF go top ten, period. Who doesn't want a real center who will play down low with his back to the basket, problem there is only a few in the game. I mean at some point in the draft when talent falls into your lap you have to take it.

Has the ability to score with both hands, excellent footwork and amazing body control. For a guy his size he has excellent ball handling skills, matchup problems. He can post up and his midrange game is where he has shown flashes of the Dirk that we see creating havoc right now.

He is a liability on defense, no one can deny that. His rebounding does leave a little something to be desired, but at 17 in this draft every player has baggage.

He sounds as if he fits our offense.

[Pharmcat]

Time for Walsh to screw the fantasy of 2012 and go ahead and start buying up those picks.

he wont do it, its not his MO

Toney Douglas and Jerome Jordan disagree with you. Donnie will do what he thinks is best. I want to buy a pick and grab Nogueira if I had a choice. He wouldnt impact 2012 if he stayed overseas for a season or two. But yea I would def try and add a pick. If CP3 is coming we can always trade a young player on a rookie deal to clear capspace if we need to. However signing JR Smith for the MLE? No .

TD was a move cuz he let all the other real PG in the draft slip by
jordan is a 2nd rounder, low risk compared to 1st rounders

1st rounders have guaranteed salary, and since he wants max for 2012, he wont do it

[TrueWarrior]

TD was a move cuz he let all the other real PG in the draft slip by
jordan is a 2nd rounder, low risk compared to 1st rounders

1st rounders have guaranteed salary, and since he wants max for 2012, he wont do it

Oh Pharm.

He only bought a 2nd rounder last year because of 2010. Did you really want him to cut into our capspace and jeapardize 2 maxes just to get a couple late 1sts? I understand if he doesnt want to do it this year either. Talent isnt exactly amazing.

While TD has been a great value pick for us. May not be a true PG but you dont find many 30th picks producing as good as Toney. He wasnt even healthy last season for us.

Point is Donnie has been just as aggressive in buying picks as the next guy. Only doesnt do it blindly because you want him to. Most of the guys we're talking about drafting will end up busts or much worse than we think they will be. Thats a fact. They're all nice and fun to talk about now because of their potential but 3/4 of them wont reach that potential. Nobody will help us as much as Chris Paul. So yea lets buy another pick, but we gotta be smart too. A late 1st most likely isnt gonna be much in this draft.

[Greenie]

Time for Walsh to screw the fantasy of 2012 and go ahead and start buying up those picks.

he wont do it, its not his MO

Toney Douglas and Jerome Jordan disagree with you. Donnie will do what he thinks is best. I want to buy a pick and grab Nogueira if I had a choice. He wouldnt impact 2012 if he stayed overseas for a season or two. But yea I would def try and add a pick. If CP3 is coming we can always trade a young player on a rookie deal to clear capspace if we need to. However signing JR Smith for the MLE? No .

This.

Rookie contracts are a lot easier to move than 5-10 million dollar contracts.

I really do think we should fill our team with rookie contracts that can become assets in trades with teams like Orlando and New Orleans.

If we come out of this draft with:
(Klay)Thompson
(Darius) Morris
Vucevic/ Montejiunas/ Nogueira
Shumpert

We would be set and we would not need to even spend our MLE. If these guys come in and perform well in our system (I think they will) we would have all the assets we need to go get a Chris Paul or Dwight Howard.

We have superstars to help these rookies develop, they would be able to come in and fill a role while STAT & Melo do the heavy lifting.

As I said before there are a lot of great/solid role players (for our team) in this draft.

[Deeeez Knicks]

As far as Faried goes. Deez Knicks IDK why you keep throwing out Boston/SA going small with KG/Big Baby and Duncan/Blair as if to compare that to Amare/Faried. You're talking about 2 of the best defensive big men of all time in KG and Duncan, and they're both close to 7 feet tall. Just a little bit different situations.

Bosh isn't KG or Duncan, but Miami is still a great defensive team. Teams can get away with going small because there is just not a lot of quality size in the NBA anymore.

The Centers left in the playoffs:
-Joel Anthony/Haslem
-Noah/Asik
-Perkins/Ibaka/Collison
-Chandler/Haywood

Offensively, these guys all suck. They aren't going to post you up or do anything unless you leave them wide open. They can only hurt you on the glass and that is where Faried excels. To play C nowadays you just need to be able to box out, rebound and do the dirty work. Thus even 6'6" Chuck Hayes played well at C.

Then again, I don't even want Faried to start nor do I expect him to be a starting C. I just think he can help us out a lot off the bench and that he will be able to play next to Amare for stetches.

I'd much prefer to go bigger, but where are we getting our rebounding help? Jeff Foster/Pryzbilla/Reggie Evans made $5mil to $7mil last year. Dalembert made $12.2mil last year. Size/rebounding costs and is becoming harder to fill. We dont have much to spend.

I'd be more then happy with other guys in the draft like Jimmer or Klay or other guys since we have many needs.. I just don't think you can count Faried out because he's 6'8" instead of 6'9" especially when his reach and wingspan are up there with Amare/Horford. Some guys just play bigger then there height on paper (Buck Williams, LJ, Mason, Rodman, Barkley).

[Pharmcat]

TD was a move cuz he let all the other real PG in the draft slip by
jordan is a 2nd rounder, low risk compared to 1st rounders

1st rounders have guaranteed salary, and since he wants max for 2012, he wont do it

Oh Pharm.

He only bought a 2nd rounder last year because of 2010. Did you really want him to cut into our capspace and jeapardize 2 maxes just to get a couple late 1sts? I understand if he doesnt want to do it this year either. Talent isnt exactly amazing.

While TD has been a great value pick for us. May not be a true PG but you dont find many 30th picks producing as good as Toney. He wasnt even healthy last season for us.

Point is Donnie has been just as aggressive in buying picks as the next guy. Only doesnt do it blindly because you want him to. Most of the guys we're talking about drafting will end up busts or much worse than we think they will be. Thats a fact. They're all nice and fun to talk about now because of their potential but 3/4 of them wont reach that potential. Nobody will help us as much as Chris Paul. So yea lets buy another pick, but we gotta be smart too. A late 1st most likely isnt gonna be much in this draft.

2nd rounders are unguranteed, he could just release jordan whenever he wants

and no he wasnt aggressive buying picks, see denadre jordan

and its not just about the picks, its about using the mle, picks, trading large expiring instead of a chance at 2012....havent we been over that?

it doesnt matter how good the players can be, but this team needs to recover assets...donnie should come out of this draft with 3-5 players (a couple stashed oversees), to improve the assets and trade packages in the future

[Johnny Hoops]

So Faried went from almost leading the poll in the last thread to only getting 1 vote now. Klay Thompson barely got any love in the last poll and now hes almost leading. I switched my vote to Klay before the poll was shut down. Just interesting to see people shift. This draft is so wide open that I could choose 7-8 of these guys and be good.

If it's true that Donnie is letting Alan Houston run/coordinate this draft process.

Is it potentially more likely that Allan pushes for a SG --- Thompson/Brooks?

[nytonm]

Vucevic looks both weak and slow. I'm good.

The only guys that I think would make an immediate impact on the Knicks are Markieff Morris
or Klay Thompson. After that I say we roll the dice on Jimmer or Selby and hope we get lucky.

[TrueWarrior]

it doesnt matter how good the players can be, but this team needs to recover assets...donnie should come out of this draft with 3-5 players (a couple stashed oversees), to improve the assets and trade packages in the future

Pharm you say this every year. I was bored and peeping around drafttime 08 and 09 and you were in the threads saying we should buy another 3 picks then too . Its just not realistic man. We might be able to buy 1, but thats it. Youre talking about buying 4-5. Teams dont just give away young talent on rookie contracts so easily.

So like I said Id be down with another Jerome Jordan type thing with Lucas Nogueira. Draft BPA at #17 and then buy another late 1st to take Lucas and leave him overseas. Everybody wins. We get another asset, a center no less, but dont hurt 2012 cap space.

[Pharmcat]

it doesnt matter how good the players can be, but this team needs to recover assets...donnie should come out of this draft with 3-5 players (a couple stashed oversees), to improve the assets and trade packages in the future

Pharm you say this every year. I was bored and peeping around drafttime 08 and 09 and you were in the threads saying we should buy another 3 picks then too . Its just not realistic man. We might be able to buy 1, but thats it. Youre talking about buying 4-5. Teams dont just give away young talent on rookie contracts so easily.

So like I said Id be down with another Jerome Jordan type thing with Lucas Nogueira. Draft BPA at #17 and then buy another late 1st to take Lucas and leave him overseas. Everybody wins. We get another asset, a center no less, but dont hurt 2012 cap space.

houston a couple years ago went into the draft with 0 picks, and came out with 3 players

its doable, you just need a bold gm

[eviL]

So Faried went from almost leading the poll in the last thread to only getting 1 vote now. Klay Thompson barely got any love in the last poll and now hes almost leading. I switched my vote to Klay before the poll was shut down. Just interesting to see people shift. This draft is so wide open that I could choose 7-8 of these guys and be good.

If it's true that Donnie is letting Alan Houston run/coordinate this draft process.

Is it potentially more likely that Allan pushes for a SG --- Thompson/Brooks?

H20 was said to like Willie Reed; PF/C, probably acquirable in the second round. No idea what he'd do with #17 though, and that's probably for the best

[TrueWarrior]

houston a couple years ago went into the draft with 0 picks, and came out with 3 players

its doable, you just need a bold gm

I remember that, but how did they get the picks? Didnt they trade existing assets to do it? Or did they just buy them straight up? Big difference.

[Pharmcat]

houston a couple years ago went into the draft with 0 picks, and came out with 3 players

its doable, you just need a bold gm

I remember that, but how did they get the picks? Didnt they trade existing assets to do it? Or did they just buy them straight up? Big difference.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/spo ... 98343.html

bought em...6 million spent

one conditional 2nd rounder (which is inconsequential at that moment)

it can be done, you just need a bold gm

[TrueWarrior]

I remember that, but how did they get the picks? Didnt they trade existing assets to do it? Or did they just buy them straight up? Big difference.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/spo ... 98343.html

bought em...6 million spent

one conditional 2nd rounder (which is inconsequential at that moment)

it can be done, you just need a bold gm

So they bought 3 2nd rounders? 32/34/44. How is that bold?

Budinger is the only decent player in that group, and hes nothing special. Ironically Budinger was picked 44th. Sergio Llull and Jermaine Taylor? Cmon.

[CoolKids]

I want Darius Morris..he reminds me of jrue holiday in many ways

[Pharmcat]

I remember that, but how did they get the picks? Didnt they trade existing assets to do it? Or did they just buy them straight up? Big difference.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/spo ... 98343.html

bought em...6 million spent

one conditional 2nd rounder (which is inconsequential at that moment)

it can be done, you just need a bold gm

So they bought 3 2nd rounders? 32/34/44. How is that bold?

Budinger is the only decent player in that group, and hes nothing special. Ironically Budinger was picked 44th out of the group too.

who said anything about special players?

the goal is to add depth and add some assets for future trades

[TrueWarrior]

So they bought 3 2nd rounders? 32/34/44. How is that bold?

Budinger is the only decent player in that group, and hes nothing special. Ironically Budinger was picked 44th out of the group too.

who said anything about special players?

the goal is to add depth and add some assets for future trades

You just chastised Donnie for only buying a 2nd rounder for Jerome Jordan and not a 1st, but then praise Morey for doing the same thing? Three times? Ha. Didnt you just say that 2nd rounders were "lower risk" and not as good players? 2nd rounders are not much as "assets". Anybody can buy them and 9/10 of them dont amount to anything. Cmon Pharm. Maybe we'll catch a team wanting to save some cash in the late 1st, but thats it. We could always buy some 2nd rounders if we wanted. Thats every year.

[Pharmcat]

So they bought 3 2nd rounders? 32/34/44. How is that bold?

Budinger is the only decent player in that group, and hes nothing special. Ironically Budinger was picked 44th out of the group too.

who said anything about special players?

the goal is to add depth and add some assets for future trades

You just chastised Donnie for only buying a 2nd rounder for Jerome Jordan and not a 1st, but then praise Morey for doing the same thing? Three times? Ha. Didnt you just say that 2nd rounders were "lower risk" and not as good players? 2nd rounders are not much as "assets". Anybody can buy them and 9/10 of them dont amount to anything. Cmon Pharm. Maybe we'll catch a team wanting to save some cash in the late 1st, but thats it. We could always buy some 2nd rounders if we wanted. Thats every year.

lower risk with respect to their contract, not guaranteed

you are trying to mix the different points to make your post

you said in your previous post that buying 3 picks was not realistic...I was just providing an example showing it can be done

[TrueWarrior]

lower risk with respect to their contract, not guaranteed

you are trying to mix the different points to make your post

you said in your previous post that buying 3 picks was not realistic...I was just providing an example showing it can be done

Nah I just think you didnt realize it was 3 2nd rounders. LoL. We had 3 2nd rounders last year. We could buy a few more this year if we wanted. Its easy to buy 2nd rounders because you wont know who most of the players are in a few years. Not the same thing. You're acting like we're the only team who might want to get some more cheap young talent. You're acting like teams just cant wait to get rid of their picks. Even in this weak draft you have to be a cheap ass team not to want to pay a rookie salary.

Give me an example of a team buying more than one 1st round pick. It may have been done, but amazingly rare. Just keep the expectations in check is all my man.

Expecting Donnie to get 4 more picks is nutso.