OT- Christopher Dorner barricaded in Cabin

[VCRJKidd15]

I've been following this story since day 1 and I'm curious as to what the census theory is of what went on yesterday? Something big happened yesterday on live television that could possibly be ignored forever and it's sad that we will all just most likely sit here and do nothing about it because we can't.

[2010]

I've been following this story since day 1 and I'm curious as to what the census theory is of what went on yesterday? Something big happened yesterday on live television that could possibly be ignored forever and it's sad that we will all just most likely sit here and do nothing about it because we can't.

All I know is they burned that cabin down on purpose and had no intention of taking him alive and having him prosecuted. Which is why they ordered all news choppers away from the immediate area at the time.

[2010]

Dorner to captives: 'I just want to clear my name'

Just a few hours before he was believed to have been killed, fugitive ex-cop Christopher Jordan Dorner told a couple he tied up and gagged: “I don’t have a problem with you. I just want to clear my name.”

"He tried to calm us down, saying very frequently, he would not kill us,” said Jim Reynolds, 66, who has owned the condo with his wife for 12 years.

Dorner said he had seen Jim Reynolds shoveling snow and told the couple they were "hard-working, good people."

When they entered the condo about noon Tuesday to clean the unit, they said, they were surprised to find the fugitive former Los Angeles police officer inside, upstairs. They said they were held captive for about 15 minutes.

Once they saw Dorner, they said, he brandished a “big gun” and yelled, “Stay calm!”

Dorner was a menacing presence but at other times tried to reassure the couple that he did not want to harm them, they said.

Asked if they expected a share of the more than $1-million reward offered in the case, the couple said they didn't expect to receive anything.

"We heard nobody was getting that because he needed to be captured and convicted," Karen Reynolds said.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... -name.html

[earthmansurfer]

Not to get off topic, but the RFK was a clear inside assassination done from a very high level, just as JFK's was. It doesn't take much time to see that. It is one of the more clear cut cases actually. It has all the makings of one, including the obvious patsy.

Anyway, I'm not here to give my opinion so much as I was observing peoples opinions regarding Dorner. You are flat out wrong that he destroyed his own cause. The reaction of the police department and all the webpages and support he received clearly shows that. Further, everyone that I have seen has been against his violence against innocents. So, we need to separate the violence he committed to the injustices he received, whether or not we agree with it. I'm just observing the internet and it is blatantly clear that the guy is getting support for his cause, but not for his violence. I was actually shocked it was so one sided. Lots of pent up injustice feelings from people out there.

So, I'm not trying to make this opinionated, rather observational. Not saying right or wrong. Just let the data points speak for themselves.

There are a lot of people who look for external reasons for why they didn't get ahead in life. I'm not saying the world is perfect - far from it. But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are where they are at in life because of their actions (or lack thereof). I believe Dorner resonates with them because they see someone else with a "victimized" mindset and they can relate to it.

And I don't know who you are talking to but I wouldn't say by a long shot that this guy had overwhelming support. Quite the opposite.

There is no argument from me regarding people looking for external reasons to as why they can't get ahead in life. But let's not cloud the issue here. Dorner wasn't trying to get ahead in life per say. He was removed from his position because of honesty. Let's not complicate the argument here.

None of us here have said the world is perfect. I think you are watering down the points being brought up here.

Perhaps we can agree that there are a lot of victims out there due to rampant corruption.

Look at this thread. People support his cause, just not his killing. No one supports that, but they clearly support the injustice being done. Yes, they resonate with it because it probably is often true. Most of us have experienced it but that is life. We are learning it seems.

I was looking at threads on Reddit with thousands of comments. To boil it down, there were soooo many people that felt for the guy, supported his cause BUT NOT his killing of innocents. Had he gone just after those who wronged him (and not "innocents"), I think the killing issue would have been more cloudy. Just an extrapolation of an observation that was already being brought up - not my personal feelings.

[androidmanputo]

I don't think people are supporting him per say. They are relating to him in one way or another. This is less about racism and more about injustice. There are so few expressions of people standing up to corruptness. When people go about the legal means to do so, it usually gets no where, gets tied up in the courts for years, further corruption ensues and on and on.

Instead of focusing on his manifesto (Which still contains valuable information) I would look at his life as a whole and what people have said about him. He doesn't at all come across as a crazy. He actually was, by all accounts, a model citizen that followed the law quite closely. When an injustice was done to him he tried to right it in a legal way... REPEATEDLY. That didn't work. Again, violence is no answer, but people are so caught up in survival with life, instead of living life that certain people are going to pop. And pop he did.

You see, Dorner was just a predictable result of a broken system. And as I said before, more is likely to come, you only need to see where things are going. Those greats you listed along with many others (Jesus, JFK and his brother, etc.) were most often MURDERED by the very governments that they were peacefully trying to change. Something's got to give...

It seems like we are lead by the least among us and a natural correction is in order - been going on for years and those men we have listed are another sign imo. I hope it can be a peaceful revolution that I see starting/happening/coming but those holding most people back, don't work that way and it takes patience, sacrifice and love to deal with them but they still kill and I'm not talking about the "Dorners" out there.

RFK was killed by a crazy person like Dorner who was upset at RFK's support of Israel.

You don't stand up to corruption (which we really don't know if there was any) by killing innocent people. Whatever attention he hoped to bring to his cause he destroyed. He would have been better off climbing a tower and threatening to jump if his case wasn't opened back up Or if he really wanted to make a statement that would have resonated through time he could have self-immolated. He died in a fire anyway. This was about a person who had a victimization mind set that wanted to get even with someone he felt had aggrieved him. Showing support for someone like that, to me, represents a lack of empathy because you have to think about all the people whose lives were destroyed by his acts i.e. his parents, friends, the daughter, the boyfriend, the cop et al...

Back to Jesus for a moment. That's the whole point of Christianity and why it's a religion that fundamentally changed the World. Jesus wasn't an Arjuna or a David. He taught the message of love and compassion even if it costs you your life. And that's why he is still relevant to this day some 2000 years after the crucifixion. Will anybody remember this guy 12 months from now? The only people who will are the people whose lives he destroyed. And what kind of legacy is that?

Not to get off topic, but the RFK was a clear inside assassination done from a very high level, just as JFK's was. It doesn't take much time to see that. It is one of the more clear cut cases actually. It has all the makings of one, including the obvious patsy.

Anyway, I'm not here to give my opinion so much as I was observing peoples opinions regarding Dorner. You are flat out wrong that he destroyed his own cause. The reaction of the police department and all the webpages and support he received clearly shows that. Further, everyone that I have seen has been against his violence against innocents. So, we need to separate the violence he committed to the injustices he received, whether or not we agree with it. I'm just observing the internet and it is blatantly clear that the guy is getting support for his cause, but not for his violence. I was actually shocked it was so one sided. Lots of pent up injustice feelings from people out there.

So, I'm not trying to make this opinionated, rather observational. Not saying right or wrong. Just let the data points speak for themselves.

The only godamn "clear" thing is that youre a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) who knows nothing about the Kennedys or social politics.

Dorner's a psycho animal whose worse than anything or anyone hes supposedly trying to "out", and Kennedy was killed by a single zealot who had absolutely NO connections to any but himself.

Take your **** godamm tinfoil hat off kid and do some **** research before you go claiming BS like "inside conspiracy". LOL

I guess MLK was a "conspiracy" too right...

[earthmansurfer]

I've been following this story since day 1 and I'm curious as to what the census theory is of what went on yesterday? Something big happened yesterday on live television that could possibly be ignored forever and it's sad that we will all just most likely sit here and do nothing about it because we can't.

All I know is they burned that cabin down on purpose and had no intention of taking him alive and having him prosecuted. Which is why they ordered all news choppers away from the immediate area at the time.

This is becoming the norm - Removing media when the government does criminal actions. Luckily it is becoming harder and harder to do this with more transparency appearing in society. We have protest zones, which is an oxy moron and probably next we'll have media zones, oh wait, guess that is just what they did.

It is pretty sick to burn a man alive when there are clearly a ton of options to take him alive (tear gas comes to mind but I'm sure there is advanced weaponry and substances to help here.)

The LAPD made themselves look absolutely terrible with the shootings of the ladies and that other shooting that took place shortly there after. The Cherry on top was burning a man alive, well actually, there was a single shot heard fired, so perhaps he killed himself first...

[androidmanputo]

He didnt have nothing to bring to the table. You going to talk about it. Kill innocent people for it. But dont not once bring something to the table to start a movement to end the corruption. And not only that. But you get a chance to spray them up. The people you publicly declared war with. And you back yourself into a corner and end it.

This guy was not a hero. Wasnt even the ill killing machine he claimed to be. He was pissed off he wasnt good enough. No one noticed him among the top ranks so he ran his mouth and dug himself into a hole he couldn't get out of. I hope he was scared and crying. Maybe they find his pants got a load. Punk. If you hurt people that dont got nothing to do with it then dont do nothing when confronted by the real enemy then you a punk.

What he really did was take corruption and put it on the back burner in the publics eye.

Really Kane? A punk? He killed another cop today and put another in the hospital before killing himself rather than be taken alive. That's not a punk. That is an aggrieved man with his back to the wall and no where to turn. Look, while I do not believe in his methods--meaning the use of violence--because he is lowering himself to the level of his white tormentors at LAPD, I certainly there is more to his grievances than is publicly being acknowledged. Why do you think the LAPD announced that they are reopening his case? Because they even realize that there is something to what this man was saying.

Stfu n*gger.

Typical azzhurt black talk (but no walk) from a BLACK supremicist who somehow thinks whites are doing some sh*t to you that youre own damn people arent.

More black on black crime in American than any other.

I think you mean BLACK TORMENTORS you racist little b*tch.

[androidmanputo]

anyone who defends a coward ass mudering piece of sh*t has a tiny penis, shys away from violence themselves in real life, and is just griding their tiny little axe for racial or political reasons, or is just NUTS.

how the **** can you post some racist ass picture about white killers. lmfao. last i checked, the black guy here killed HIMSELF, and some white killers did too.

gtfo here. this is the 21st century with a black president. if anything as a white guy ive seen far more racist blacks than the opposite.

n*ggers just like an excuse for anything.

btw "kane" - you cant even speak english correctly. youre a lying idiot you never were a cop, b/c any self respecting cop would be able to make correct grammatical sentences without sounding like a thug.

10000 bucks on my rent says you probably were a truant officer that got fired for being incompetent and STUPID.

ive seen you post on here a million times, and you try to sound gangsa and thuggish. you dont scare ANYONE f*g.

typical n*gger talk. im so sick of it. anytime a N**gger tries to talk fake sh*t to me in real life, i dont back down, i say it right back to their face, and they dont do ANYTHING.

ebonics is for jobless losers, which kane def. is. judging by how he posts 24/7 on here with his ebonics, crowdpleasing idiocy.

[earthmansurfer]

RFK was killed by a crazy person like Dorner who was upset at RFK's support of Israel.

You don't stand up to corruption (which we really don't know if there was any) by killing innocent people. Whatever attention he hoped to bring to his cause he destroyed. He would have been better off climbing a tower and threatening to jump if his case wasn't opened back up Or if he really wanted to make a statement that would have resonated through time he could have self-immolated. He died in a fire anyway. This was about a person who had a victimization mind set that wanted to get even with someone he felt had aggrieved him. Showing support for someone like that, to me, represents a lack of empathy because you have to think about all the people whose lives were destroyed by his acts i.e. his parents, friends, the daughter, the boyfriend, the cop et al...

Back to Jesus for a moment. That's the whole point of Christianity and why it's a religion that fundamentally changed the World. Jesus wasn't an Arjuna or a David. He taught the message of love and compassion even if it costs you your life. And that's why he is still relevant to this day some 2000 years after the crucifixion. Will anybody remember this guy 12 months from now? The only people who will are the people whose lives he destroyed. And what kind of legacy is that?

Not to get off topic, but the RFK was a clear inside assassination done from a very high level, just as JFK's was. It doesn't take much time to see that. It is one of the more clear cut cases actually. It has all the makings of one, including the obvious patsy.

Anyway, I'm not here to give my opinion so much as I was observing peoples opinions regarding Dorner. You are flat out wrong that he destroyed his own cause. The reaction of the police department and all the webpages and support he received clearly shows that. Further, everyone that I have seen has been against his violence against innocents. So, we need to separate the violence he committed to the injustices he received, whether or not we agree with it. I'm just observing the internet and it is blatantly clear that the guy is getting support for his cause, but not for his violence. I was actually shocked it was so one sided. Lots of pent up injustice feelings from people out there.

So, I'm not trying to make this opinionated, rather observational. Not saying right or wrong. Just let the data points speak for themselves.

The only godamn "clear" thing is that youre a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) who knows nothing about the Kennedys or social politics.

Dorner's a psycho animal whose worse than anything or anyone hes supposedly trying to "out", and Kennedy was killed by a single zealot who had absolutely NO connections to any but himself.

Take your **** godamm tinfoil hat off kid and do some **** research before you go claiming BS like "inside conspiracy". LOL

I guess MLK was a "conspiracy" too right...

Congrats on your 2nd post ballbyo. Probably a part of a the new Government Cyber Squad.

Just to take you along slowly, did you know that MLK's family won a civil suit finding the government killed MLK? Do you know the family believed his accused killer did not do the killing?

Martin Luther King’s family and his attorney, William F. Pepper, won a civil trial that found US government agencies guilty in the wrongful death of Martin Luther King. The 1999 trial, King Family versus Jowers and Other Unknown Co-Conspirators, is the only trial ever conducted on the assassination of Dr. King. The King family’s attempts for a criminal trial were denied, as suspect James Ray’s recant of what he claimed was a false confession was denied.

-http://www.examiner.com/article/mlk-assassinated-by-us-government-king-family-civil-trial-1999-decision-why-didn-t-you-know-this

Watching Kennedy's head snap in different directions doesn't do you lone gunman theory much credence. But again, we can go slow...

[androidmanputo]

YOU STUPID F*G.

LEARN PHYSICS YOU BALLBOY B*TCH.

HIS "HEAD SNAPPED" BACK DUE TO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN BEING SHOT FROM BEHIND. DO YOUR RESEARCH. AND HIS "FAMILY" PROBABLY WON A LAWSUIT B/C MAYBE THE GOVERNMENT DIDNT DO ENOUGH TO PREVENT IT IDIOT.

READ A BOOK. ANY BOOK BALLBOY.

IM A GROWN MAN. YOU CLEARLY ARENT. BALLB*TCH.

[androidmanputo]

IVE READ 6 BOOKS ON THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

THEY DID A PLOT OF ALL POINTS THAT WOULD HAVE HAD TO TAKE PLACE IN ORDER TO SHOOT HIM FROM THE FRONT, AND THEY CONCLUDED THEY CAME FROM IMPOSSIBLE ANGLES.

ALSO, IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT BIOLOGY, WHEN A MAN IS SHOT WITH SUCH FORCE FROM THE BACK, THE NECK ACTUALLY RECOILS BACK INSTEAD OF FORWARD.

MORON.

[androidmanputo]

GO READ RECLAIMING HISTORY IDIOT.

THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY MORON.

THE CIA IN THE 50'S WAS SO OBTUCE AND TRANSPARENT BACK THEN, A BUNCHA BUMBLING IDIOTS WHO COULDNT "PICK A HORSE TO SAVE THEIR LIFE".

HIS HEAD RECOILED DUE TO NEUROMUSCULAR SPASMS THAT HAPPEN WHEN BEING HIT WITH A BIG F*CKIN BULLET AT MAX VELOCITY FROM THE BACK.

ALSO AIR ESCAPES AND PRESSURE CAUSES IT. IF HE'D BEEN HIT FROM THE FRONT HE WULD'VE MOVED FRONT AND TO THE RIGHT.

LASTLY YOURE A DUMBASS.

[NyKnicks1714]

Whether you feel that is right or wrong is neither here nor there. Lets stick to the facts and not the hype machine.

He killed innocent people, THOSE are the facts. He was wrong, end of story. If you want to say that the average citizen was not in danger, fine, but the man killed innocent people. He does not deserve anybody's support or admiration.

[garrick]

Did anyone here try to comment on Yahoo as the seige was taking place? It seems that all comments were disabled until Dorner died according to a lot of the users commenting there.

[earthmansurfer]

Did anyone here try to comment on Yahoo as the seige was taking place? It seems that all comments were disabled until Dorner died according to a lot of the users commenting there.

I am not sure, someone did mention this when I searched Google and Bing. The cached bit read:

"Everybody should be aware of the letter that chris dorner wrote? ... and also! they disabled yahoo comments when people started talking about the corruption in ..."

Following the link supplied and that comment was deleted: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fanswers.yahoo.com%2Fquestion%2Findex%3Fqid%3D20130212180424AA5nyb7&ei=M_ccUbn-DOqH4ATQoYC4Cg&usg=AFQjCNFMpvDsDfO_3DaXvTp_cSbzL2awxw&sig2=V8QnNVtjB0IatvzSuZYLZg&bvm=bv.42452523,d.Yms&cad=rja

In general I'd love for Google to bring back their cached results. Anyone know how to get that back or another engine that offers that? Really helpful to "bring back the past"...

[D.Brasco]

IVE READ 6 BOOKS ON THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

THEY DID A PLOT OF ALL POINTS THAT WOULD HAVE HAD TO TAKE PLACE IN ORDER TO SHOOT HIM FROM THE FRONT, AND THEY CONCLUDED THEY CAME FROM IMPOSSIBLE ANGLES.

ALSO, IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT BIOLOGY, WHEN A MAN IS SHOT WITH SUCH FORCE FROM THE BACK, THE NECK ACTUALLY RECOILS BACK INSTEAD OF FORWARD.

MORON.

[knicks9784]

IVE READ 6 BOOKS ON THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

THEY DID A PLOT OF ALL POINTS THAT WOULD HAVE HAD TO TAKE PLACE IN ORDER TO SHOOT HIM FROM THE FRONT, AND THEY CONCLUDED THEY CAME FROM IMPOSSIBLE ANGLES.

ALSO, IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT BIOLOGY, WHEN A MAN IS SHOT WITH SUCH FORCE FROM THE BACK, THE NECK ACTUALLY RECOILS BACK INSTEAD OF FORWARD.

MORON.

if you're so smart i'd think you'd be able to distinguish between biology and physics. smfh

[Daaaarryyl]

androidmanputo shouldn't even be taken seriously after that racist post a few pages back. We can agree/disagree, debate/discuss without that garbage in here.

[GoodSir]

Heat fan, I hope you guys don't mind me posting here.


Just want to be sure, has he been CONFIRMED dead? I saw a report that claimed the burnt body in the cabin was that of a maid or something like that.

[Moose]

This thread is sad for so many reasons.