Sources say LeBron to seek Max Deal

Greenie · Post #141 » by **Greenie** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:08 am

KnicksGod wrote:
greenhughes wrote:Wow. You don't see the different shades of green?

Adjusting monitor right now.

LOL

god shammgod · Post #142 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:10 am

you're not supposed to mix those klonopin with tequila kg. i must admit it is fun though.

Post #143 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:14 am

god shammgod wrote:you're not supposed to mix those klonopin with tequila kg. i must admit it is fun though.

Well at least I feel like we're in mid-season form. That little chat was just like watching a Knicks game ... Happy > Laughing > Crying > Depressed.

Post #144 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:24 am

siar617 wrote:The good thing for us is he is seeking a two year deal with an option after the first. Just enough time to prove Phil knows what he is doing.

Where'd this guy go lol? If it's true, and I haven't heard a thing, then all hell breaks loose. If he takes an option, the new 2010 is 2015. Except this time we'd actually have a shot.

god shammgod · Post #145 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:28 am

KnicksGod wrote:
siar617 wrote:The good thing for us is he is seeking a two year deal with an option after the first. Just enough time to prove Phil knows what he is doing.

Where'd this guy go lol? If it's true, and I haven't heard a thing, then all hell breaks loose. If he takes an option, the new 2010 is 2015. Except this time we'd actually have a shot.

i'm pretty sure that guy is robert randolph's bassist.

Post #146 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:31 am

god shammgod wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
siar617 wrote:The good thing for us is he is seeking a two year deal with an option after the first. Just enough time to prove Phil knows what he is doing.

Where'd this guy go lol? If it's true, and I haven't heard a thing, then all hell breaks loose. If he takes an option, the new 2010 is 2015. Except this time we'd actually have a shot.

i'm pretty sure that guy is robert randolph's bassist.

lol. That is what I expect to hear. Or maybe that this guy was the same guy who broke the Kidd news ... or it was Rich Paul himself. Or my guardian angel.

The Boss Speaks · Post #147 » by **The Boss Speaks** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:53 am

KnicksGod wrote:
suicidedeuce wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:You said Wade will not play for a lot less with Bron at a Max, and now you have him at 9 lol? You said that like 5 minutes ago. Now you have him at 9, just to win an argument with someone you don't even know. I love it!

Its called a conditional argument, I'm playing by your rules, which seems to be the NY Knicks are in much better position than the Miami Heat right now. The point is, anything YOU can imagine the KNicks pulling off, the Heat are in a position to do as well.

Me? I got James, Wade and Bosh all going back to Miami.

You got Stat going to Orlando, Bargani going somewhere, James coming here the the Knicks at a discount, Melo coming back at an even steeper discount. And Gasol maybe coming next here at an even greater discount.

Good day to you professor. My honest advise to you, in the spirit of sports ... You can't win them all, and there's always tomorrow, you'll get 'em next time.

So then I'm sure you'll take your own advice and get back to me when the NBA actually disciplines anyone for a a verbal "violation".

Unless of course, there's never been any of those in the NBA.

I said nothing of the sort. I have James staying, on a capped-out team that is more or less stuck unless Wade becomes Benjamin Button.

With all due respect, you are twisting my words and stirring the ashes of some terrible arguments and some even worse immaturity that impels you to try to eke out false victories after you've been exposed and proven wrong.

I find it funny for a second and then kind of pathetic to be taking part in it later. I'm done responding to you for a few days and I'd appreciate it if you could do the same. Thanks.

What ever happened to ethics at the work place? :lol:

Y'all going at it so let me stay in my lane :oops:

The Boss Speaks · Post #148 » by **The Boss Speaks** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:00 am

ag3 wrote:
BowlRips wrote:hate to beat a dead horse but with orlando shedding nelson and maxiel coming next, they will have about $30 million in salary slated for next season.
CBA rules require they have atleast about $56 mil in salary.
Amare is a great candidate for Orlando to slot in there...

So is Boozer though.

You have to give it up: STAT>>>>>>>>>>>>> Booz.

Y? Because Stat took heed from Hakim; don't front, he looked good going to the hole; displayed all sorts of postup moves... the question with Stat HERE IN NYC is his health. We've been there and done that with him so the time has come for him to take his talents elsewhere. I hope he can stay healthy if he goes to Orlando

LJ4pointplay · Post #149 » by **LJ4pointplay** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:00 am

suicidedeuce wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:I'm saying that the only way he got them to technically agree to be free agents is by verbally telling the agent for both players (same guy) that he would take care of them somehow. What that assurance is, we don't know. But I suspect it has to meet a high bar because I doubt that his agent would agree to totally expose his clients like this.

Both had bad endings to their playoffs. If Riley said "Just please opt out but I can't promise you what will happen," it would not have happened.

You are right that technically Riley could renounce both of them tomorrow. 12:00 AM tonight. But he has made a promise he won't do that, and he has promised them that they can get their money back (most or all) if nothing else materializes.

So Pat Riley has ALREADY committed multiple CBA violations?

How soon until the NBA investigation begins?

What do you think motivated Wade to opt out?

same question for Bosh, and LeBron?

Do you think that the three of them are aware of each other's intentions re: salary that will be acceptable to them?

Do you believe LeBron will only accept the max ( or something relatively close)?

ag3 · Post #150 » by **ag3** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:02 am

They all opted out because Riley is a cheater and promised them back channel money.
Especially Wade. There was no reason at all for him.

NYKNICKPLAYA · Post #151 » by **NYKNICKPLAYA** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:05 am

ag3 wrote:They all opted out because Riley is a cheater and promised them back channel money.
Especially Wade. There was no reason at all for him.

I'm shocked they opted out.

LJ4pointplay · Post #152 » by **LJ4pointplay** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:08 am

ag3 wrote:They all opted out because Riley is a cheater and promised them back channel money.
Especially Wade. There was no reason at all for him.

Yeah, looks like this is the majority view and I subscribe to it.

Will say this though, while technically a cheater, I don't think he did anything out of the ordinary and I do not have a problem with any of the alleged behavior. More power to him. Still hate Miami though.

jc23 · Post #153 » by **jc23** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:12 am

lebron taking the max might affect what melo accepts. I always felt if lebron took yet another paycut that melo would be more inclined to as well this season.

Post #154 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:13 am

ag3 wrote:They all opted out because Riley is a cheater and promised them back channel money.
Especially Wade. There was no reason at all for him.

In this case, it's like agreeing to give the player the right to have at least "no worse than" the last contract he signed, in order to induce the player to opt out. It's not cap circumvention -- it's just giving the player an incentive to opt out based on a kind of rough negotiation of the parameters of the next deal. I don't think the league would have an issue with it. I may be overlooking something here that makes it a problem but I don't see it right now -- I haven't thought it through entirely though.

The issue is in getting a player to sign something that is below market value in order to pay them above market value later, in order to essentially get around the cap rules. That's not going on here with JUST the opt-out. Not yet, not so far.

However, I think the incentives are dangerously lined up here, especially for someone as competitive as Riley, to try to break the rules in order to keep LeBron happy. Think of it this way -- is there anything worse than losing LeBron (as far as an NBA GM's thinking goes)? Not really. So Riley could try to manipulate something in order to gain an unfair advantage. I think it's a dangerous game. Even if he gets caught and punished, it won't be as bad as losing LeBron. So the issue becomes "Hey cheating is worth a try." Not saying he will but in a way, I think Riley is the type who would rather go down swinging.

We'll find out more soon but I would be very comfortable saying I'm sure Riley has made some assurances to the agent to get them out of their contract. He bought himself time. But whatever assurances he gave, they had to meet a pretty high bar unless the agent is incompetent. Therefore, with Bron on a near Max, and Wade and Bosh not being okay with losing tens of millions of dollars, I think Riley has a very tough job ahead of him if he plays within the rules. Very hard to improve the roster with those salaries needing to get paid.

My feeling is he's likely going to have to try to get a Lowry or Gortat to agree to take less than they're offered by another team, and that's always hard to do.

The league, for sure, knows that these guys did not opt out without a safety net.

god shammgod · Post #155 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:14 am

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m

As free agency starts, James/Bosh/Wade plan to give Pat Riley a window to enact his plan on upgrading supporting cast, sources tell Yahoo.

like i said

Pharmcat · Post #156 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:15 am

god shammgod wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m

As free agency starts, James/Bosh/Wade plan to give Pat Riley a window to enact his plan on upgrading supporting cast, sources tell Yahoo.

like i said

its obvious they all collude

too bad nothing can be proved

NYKNICKPLAYA · Post #157 » by **NYKNICKPLAYA** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:19 am

Pharmcat wrote:
god shammgod wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m

As free agency starts, James/Bosh/Wade plan to give Pat Riley a window to enact his plan on upgrading supporting cast, sources tell Yahoo.

like i said

its obvious they all collude

too bad nothing can be proved

Probably paying them in cash :banghead:

Post #158 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:20 am

god shammgod wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m

As free agency starts, James/Bosh/Wade plan to give Pat Riley a window to enact his plan on upgrading supporting cast, sources tell Yahoo.

like i said

Yeah. Consistent with everything though. They opted out with a safety net to give Riley more time. This is just Wojina saying they're giving him time.

ag3 · Post #159 » by **ag3** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:20 am

NYKNICKPLAYA wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:
god shammgod wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m

As free agency starts, James/Bosh/Wade plan to give Pat Riley a window to enact his plan on upgrading supporting cast, sources tell Yahoo.

like i said

its obvious they all collude

too bad nothing can be proved

Probably paying them in cash

Wade has likely already been promised a front office job.
Same as Mourning and Juwon Howard.
It's completely illegal but the NBA would never investigate.

Post #160 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:21 am

Pharmcat wrote:
god shammgod wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m

As free agency starts, James/Bosh/Wade plan to give Pat Riley a window to enact his plan on upgrading supporting cast, sources tell Yahoo.

like i said

its obvious they all collude

too bad nothing can be proved

Unless they funnel money to these guys off the books, there's nothing wrong with them waiting for Riley to try to please everybody. I don't really see an issue.