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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#141 » by Spree2Houston » Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:23 am

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41 is better than 36

42 is better than 36

By 22 Knox will be an end of the bench player...if he’s still in the NBA. So you’re right. He won’t be averaging 8 on 42.


lol just let it go...and hold this L

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The only one holding the L is you.

You literally posted numbers to make a point when the numbers are not in your favor.


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And yet you want to ignore Points and Rebounds because it won't fit your narrative. Knox scores and boards more than both of them. He also won Rookie of the month. Have they won any rookie of the month?

Also, when Ball went down, Silver had to replace him with the next best rookie. He picked Knox over the Bridges. Unless you know more about talent than Adam Silver LMAO
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#142 » by NYKnickerbocker » Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:55 am

I’m good with Knox. Think he’ll be very good in due time. Well probably miss him after kyrie blows out his knee, KD goes into a depression due to media pressure and AD is the new melo carrying us to the 8th seed
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#143 » by Greenie » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:24 am

Spree2Houston wrote:
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lol just let it go...and hold this L

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The only one holding the L is you.

You literally posted numbers to make a point when the numbers are not in your favor.


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And yet you want to ignore Points and Rebounds because it won't fit your narrative. Knox scores and boards more than both of them. He also won Rookie of the month. Have they won any rookie of the month?

Also, when Ball went down, Silver had to replace him with the next best rookie. He picked Knox over the Bridges. Unless you know more about talent than Adam Silver LMAO


And yet you wanna ignore passing and defense.

You pulled numbers into this. Not me.
I’ll be happy with Knox on the Pelicans
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#144 » by robillionaire » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:52 am

The Knicks have the least assists in the entire nba probably a historic low number of assists but everybody wants to only focus on Knox, as if it’s not a systemic issue
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#145 » by GONYK » Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:22 am

robillionaire wrote:The Knicks have the least assists in the entire nba probably a historic low number of assists but everybody wants to only focus on Knox, as if it’s not a systemic issue

This is correct, though I will say that Knox's motor is a legitimate concern that stemmed from his time back in HS.

It's way to early to make hard proclamations on his career trajectory though.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#146 » by Greenie » Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:26 am

robillionaire wrote:The Knicks have the least assists in the entire nba probably a historic low number of assists but everybody wants to only focus on Knox, as if it’s not a systemic issue

Then let’s not cherry pick stats. Knox has been an overall bad player and 99% of it has nothing to do with a stat even if they’re fuqed up too.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#147 » by ny-n-md » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:06 am

Did we really expect Knox to come in at age 19 a finished product? I thought it was common knowledge in the draft that Mikal Bridges would be better right now but down the line Knox had a higher ceiling? Miles was my choice until Knox killed him in the workout.

I think with time and workouts he can be a stud. His first season in what is essentially a throwaway year?

I don’t believe we had any intentions of playing with a real structure this year with our draft pick and our main guy out. I think next year can be waaaay different.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#148 » by Greenie » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:13 am

ny-n-md wrote:Did we really expect Knox to come in at age 19 a finished product? I thought it was common knowledge in the draft that Mikal Bridges would be better right now but down the line Knox had a higher ceiling? Miles was my choice until Knox killed him in the workout.

I think with time and workouts he can be a stud. His first season in what is essentially a throwaway year?

I don’t believe we had any intentions of playing with a real structure this year with our draft pick and our main guy out. I think next year can be waaaay different.


Most likely he won’t be here.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#149 » by ny-n-md » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:18 am

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ny-n-md wrote:Did we really expect Knox to come in at age 19 a finished product? I thought it was common knowledge in the draft that Mikal Bridges would be better right now but down the line Knox had a higher ceiling? Miles was my choice until Knox killed him in the workout.

I think with time and workouts he can be a stud. His first season in what is essentially a throwaway year?

I don’t believe we had any intentions of playing with a real structure this year with our draft pick and our main guy out. I think next year can be waaaay different.


Most likely he won’t be here.

We shall see. If management thinks they don’t want to part with youth and picks which they’ve said before, I don’t know if we can get AD.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#150 » by GONYK » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:23 am

ny-n-md wrote:
Greenie wrote:
ny-n-md wrote:Did we really expect Knox to come in at age 19 a finished product? I thought it was common knowledge in the draft that Mikal Bridges would be better right now but down the line Knox had a higher ceiling? Miles was my choice until Knox killed him in the workout.

I think with time and workouts he can be a stud. His first season in what is essentially a throwaway year?

I don’t believe we had any intentions of playing with a real structure this year with our draft pick and our main guy out. I think next year can be waaaay different.


Most likely he won’t be here.

We shall see. If management thinks they don’t want to part with youth and picks which they’ve said before, I don’t know if we can get AD.

They said they won't part with youth and picks just to make a splash.

AD is much more than a splash.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#151 » by ny-n-md » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:27 am

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Most likely he won’t be here.

We shall see. If management thinks they don’t want to part with youth and picks which they’ve said before, I don’t know if we can get AD.

They said they won't part with youth and picks just to make a splash.

AD is much more than a splash.

I get it I just don’t know how it will play out. So far I am feeling how this FO operates.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#152 » by robillionaire » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:38 am

ny-n-md wrote:
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ny-n-md wrote:We shall see. If management thinks they don’t want to part with youth and picks which they’ve said before, I don’t know if we can get AD.

They said they won't part with youth and picks just to make a splash.

AD is much more than a splash.

I get it I just don’t know how it will play out. So far I am feeling how this FO operates.


I agree and I think it’s a pretty slim chance that this FO goes all in on an AD 1 year rental. The smart thing to do would be to just wait for 2020
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#153 » by GONYK » Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:40 am

robillionaire wrote:
ny-n-md wrote:
GONYK wrote:They said they won't part with youth and picks just to make a splash.

AD is much more than a splash.

I get it I just don’t know how it will play out. So far I am feeling how this FO operates.


I agree and I think it’s a pretty slim chance that this FO goes all in on an AD 1 year rental. The smart thing to do would be to just wait for 2020

If we get AD, it won't be without assurances.

We're not cashing the farm in for a rental.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#154 » by Spree2Houston » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:11 am

Greenie wrote:
Spree2Houston wrote:
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The only one holding the L is you.

You literally posted numbers to make a point when the numbers are not in your favor.


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And yet you want to ignore Points and Rebounds because it won't fit your narrative. Knox scores and boards more than both of them. He also won Rookie of the month. Have they won any rookie of the month?

Also, when Ball went down, Silver had to replace him with the next best rookie. He picked Knox over the Bridges. Unless you know more about talent than Adam Silver LMAO


And yet you wanna ignore passing and defense.

You pulled numbers into this. Not me.
I’ll be happy with Knox on the Pelicans




All 3 of them are terrible defenders and passers. Miles is averaging .9 assists per game and Mikal is averaging 1.4 assists LMAOLMAOLMAOO What point are you trying to make
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#155 » by malik959 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:28 am

ny-n-md wrote:Did we really expect Knox to come in at age 19 a finished product? I thought it was common knowledge in the draft that Mikal Bridges would be better right now but down the line Knox had a higher ceiling? Miles was my choice until Knox killed him in the workout.

I think with time and workouts he can be a stud. His first season in what is essentially a throwaway year?

I don’t believe we had any intentions of playing with a real structure this year with our draft pick and our main guy out. I think next year can be waaaay different.

Exactly, I actually didn't really expect him to get over 15mpg until next season, he surprised me early on this year. Before the draft we all knew he was going to take a few years to get right and he's actually ahead of that learning curve. He has all the tools, he just needs time to put it all together.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#156 » by Greenie » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:14 am

Spree2Houston wrote:
Greenie wrote:
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And yet you want to ignore Points and Rebounds because it won't fit your narrative. Knox scores and boards more than both of them. He also won Rookie of the month. Have they won any rookie of the month?

Also, when Ball went down, Silver had to replace him with the next best rookie. He picked Knox over the Bridges. Unless you know more about talent than Adam Silver LMAO


And yet you wanna ignore passing and defense.

You pulled numbers into this. Not me.
I’ll be happy with Knox on the Pelicans




All 3 of them are terrible defenders and passers. Miles is averaging .9 assists per game and Mikal is averaging 1.4 assists LMAOLMAOLMAOO What point are you trying to make


That 1.4 is more than 1.
Knox is the worst of the 3 defensively and it’s not close.

You’re the one pulling up numbers as if they are flattering to Knox. Not me. You did a bad job trying to use stats to defend Knox. So YOU are the one holding that L.

Knox is a poor man’s Timmy Jr and the stats probably say the same. I don’t need them to know that boy is a bad player that needs to exit my squad ASAP. I don’t give a damn how old he is or any trash stat(literally) you post for him.

When using stats goes all the way wrong.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#157 » by awy » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:55 am

in fairness to knox you gotta factor in likelihood of improvement heavily on a lot of his deficiencies because of his age and the type of problem.

stuff like finishing through contact or conditioning can be expected to improve, and his shooting should also improve given the good shot form. when he has shown flashes of vision and passing, that's making future growth at least possible etc. it's far too early to give up on him.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#158 » by blanko » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:09 am

Knox is #1 very young and #2 didnt really play bball untill later . We have no choice but to try to develop him.

I do see some positive signs though. His rebounding is improving (but inconsistent) and his willingness to draw contact has improved dramatically since the beginning of the season.

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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#159 » by MaseInYourFace » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:11 am

ny-n-md wrote:Did we really expect Knox to come in at age 19 a finished product? I thought it was common knowledge in the draft that Mikal Bridges would be better right now but down the line Knox had a higher ceiling? Miles was my choice until Knox killed him in the workout.

I think with time and workouts he can be a stud. His first season in what is essentially a throwaway year?

I don’t believe we had any intentions of playing with a real structure this year with our draft pick and our main guy out. I think next year can be waaaay different.


Has Mikal been any better of late? I seem to recall him having a pretty meh rookie season.
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Re: Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox 

Post#160 » by ny-n-md » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:55 am

MaseInYourFace wrote:
ny-n-md wrote:Did we really expect Knox to come in at age 19 a finished product? I thought it was common knowledge in the draft that Mikal Bridges would be better right now but down the line Knox had a higher ceiling? Miles was my choice until Knox killed him in the workout.

I think with time and workouts he can be a stud. His first season in what is essentially a throwaway year?

I don’t believe we had any intentions of playing with a real structure this year with our draft pick and our main guy out. I think next year can be waaaay different.


Has Mikal been any better of late? I seem to recall him having a pretty meh rookie season.

I don’t think so, I’m just using the argument that he is better for any who think that. He’s been pretty underwhelming so far. Of the 3 (Mikal, Miles, Knox), Knox has shown the most glimpses at being a very good player. Maybe even an All Star.
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