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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#141 » by Louielou » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:01 pm

nedleeds wrote:So Thanos' solution after gaining omnipotence is to eliminate 1/2 the universe instead of just creating more resources in an infinite universe, that makes sense. At least the comics make some attempt to make sense in-universe, he's a madman in love with the one entity he can't have or satiate, Death herself. He's some uncreative conquer-turd almost as compelling as Ronin the Frankenstein from that dumpster Guardians movie.

I'd complain about how Disney is going to destroy the FF and X-Men but given what Fox and Sony did with them I guess it's hard to do worse. But Disney has said hold my beer before.


Thanos' Maltusian logic has been around and present in our society for 200 years. It's a valid theory(I don't subcribe to it) thats prevalent in a lot of areas of society today(climate change, world hunger etc.) A mad scientist with a god-complex sounds more epic than some herb who's to show off to some woman.
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#142 » by DOT » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:14 pm

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nedleeds wrote:So Thanos' solution after gaining omnipotence is to eliminate 1/2 the universe instead of just creating more resources in an infinite universe, that makes sense. At least the comics make some attempt to make sense in-universe, he's a madman in love with the one entity he can't have or satiate, Death herself. He's some uncreative conquer-turd almost as compelling as Ronin the Frankenstein from that dumpster Guardians movie.

I'd complain about how Disney is going to destroy the FF and X-Men but given what Fox and Sony did with them I guess it's hard to do worse. But Disney has said hold my beer before.


Thanos' Maltusian logic has been around and present in our society for 200 years. It's a valid theory(I don't subcribe to it) thats prevalent in a lot of areas of society today(climate change, world hunger etc.) A mad scientist with a god-complex sounds more epic than some herb who's to show off to some woman.

Not really

It's been pretty consistently proven incorrect

But that's why he's the villain. Because he's wrong. He's a great villain because he honestly believes he's right
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#143 » by nedleeds » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:52 pm

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nedleeds wrote:So Thanos' solution after gaining omnipotence is to eliminate 1/2 the universe instead of just creating more resources in an infinite universe, that makes sense. At least the comics make some attempt to make sense in-universe, he's a madman in love with the one entity he can't have or satiate, Death herself. He's some uncreative conquer-turd almost as compelling as Ronin the Frankenstein from that dumpster Guardians movie.

I'd complain about how Disney is going to destroy the FF and X-Men but given what Fox and Sony did with them I guess it's hard to do worse. But Disney has said hold my beer before.


Thanos' Maltusian logic has been around and present in our society for 200 years. It's a valid theory(I don't subcribe to it) thats prevalent in a lot of areas of society today(climate change, world hunger etc.) A mad scientist with a god-complex sounds more epic than some herb who's to show off to some woman.

Not really

It's been pretty consistently proven incorrect

But that's why he's the villain. Because he's wrong. He's a great villain because he honestly believes he's right


It's not a right wrong question it's just a dumb plot that means an omnipotent being can't figure out how to multiply by 2. Just double the resources and living space. Boom done. The comic book plot makes sense in the context of his upbringing and never being loved by his Eternal father. He loves the one entity that can never love him back, but haunts him. It explains why he'd do something so irrational, because emotional decisions are irrational. The dumpster movie plot makes him out to be this benefactor who goes through great and precise rational pains to wipe out 1/2 of certain planets populace. Then when he doesn't have to do it by hand anymore he can no longer divide or multiply.

These movies have to dream up these assinine nonsense plots and mcguffins because the screenwriter union hacks have to get their credits. It's terrible. But most people are content to watch the shiny objects move around the screen.
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#144 » by NYKnickerbocker » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:59 pm

Damn is it that serious lol. It’s a comic movie. Guess they shoulda had a solo Thanos movie before infinity war to fully flesh him out for you
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#145 » by Louielou » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:03 pm

K-DOT wrote:
Louielou wrote:
nedleeds wrote:So Thanos' solution after gaining omnipotence is to eliminate 1/2 the universe instead of just creating more resources in an infinite universe, that makes sense. At least the comics make some attempt to make sense in-universe, he's a madman in love with the one entity he can't have or satiate, Death herself. He's some uncreative conquer-turd almost as compelling as Ronin the Frankenstein from that dumpster Guardians movie.

I'd complain about how Disney is going to destroy the FF and X-Men but given what Fox and Sony did with them I guess it's hard to do worse. But Disney has said hold my beer before.


Thanos' Maltusian logic has been around and present in our society for 200 years. It's a valid theory(I don't subcribe to it) thats prevalent in a lot of areas of society today(climate change, world hunger etc.) A mad scientist with a god-complex sounds more epic than some herb who's to show off to some woman.

Not really

It's been pretty consistently proven incorrect

But that's why he's the villain. Because he's wrong. He's a great villain because he honestly believes he's right


I didn't say it was correct, by valid I meant its still a present-day concern to many as a doomsday-like scenario. His "solution" is extreme and it comes from doubt in mankind or living beings to be able to correct themselves as resources become scarcer.
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#146 » by nedleeds » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:05 pm

NYKnickerbocker wrote:Damn is it that serious lol. It’s a comic movie. Guess they shoulda had a solo Thanos movie before infinity war to fully flesh him out for you

Not really, they can just follow the story that's already been written and satisfy the comic book readers and the casual barnacles who will watch eggs fry if there's enough CGI and Scarlett Johnasson's ass.
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#147 » by Louielou » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:07 pm

nedleeds wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
Louielou wrote:
Thanos' Maltusian logic has been around and present in our society for 200 years. It's a valid theory(I don't subcribe to it) thats prevalent in a lot of areas of society today(climate change, world hunger etc.) A mad scientist with a god-complex sounds more epic than some herb who's to show off to some woman.

Not really

It's been pretty consistently proven incorrect

But that's why he's the villain. Because he's wrong. He's a great villain because he honestly believes he's right


It's not a right wrong question it's just a dumb plot that means an omnipotent being can't figure out how to multiply by 2. Just double the resources and living space. Boom done. The comic book plot makes sense in the context of his upbringing and never being loved by his Eternal father. He loves the one entity that can never love him back, but haunts him. It explains why he'd do something so irrational, because emotional decisions are irrational. The dumpster movie plot makes him out to be this benefactor who goes through great and precise rational pains to wipe out 1/2 of certain planets populace. Then when he doesn't have to do it by hand anymore he can no longer divide or multiply.

These movies have to dream up these assinine nonsense plots and mcguffins because the screenwriter union hacks have to get their credits. It's terrible. But most people are content to watch the shiny objects move around the screen.


Population growth is exponential though not linear. Halving the population would push back this doomsday scenario moreso than doubling the resources would.
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#148 » by DOT » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:36 pm

nedleeds wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
Louielou wrote:
Thanos' Maltusian logic has been around and present in our society for 200 years. It's a valid theory(I don't subcribe to it) thats prevalent in a lot of areas of society today(climate change, world hunger etc.) A mad scientist with a god-complex sounds more epic than some herb who's to show off to some woman.

Not really

It's been pretty consistently proven incorrect

But that's why he's the villain. Because he's wrong. He's a great villain because he honestly believes he's right


It's not a right wrong question it's just a dumb plot that means an omnipotent being can't figure out how to multiply by 2. Just double the resources and living space. Boom done. The comic book plot makes sense in the context of his upbringing and never being loved by his Eternal father. He loves the one entity that can never love him back, but haunts him. It explains why he'd do something so irrational, because emotional decisions are irrational. The dumpster movie plot makes him out to be this benefactor who goes through great and precise rational pains to wipe out 1/2 of certain planets populace. Then when he doesn't have to do it by hand anymore he can no longer divide or multiply.

These movies have to dream up these assinine nonsense plots and mcguffins because the screenwriter union hacks have to get their credits. It's terrible. But most people are content to watch the shiny objects move around the screen.

Old man yells at cloud

Comic book plot is just as if not more asinine and full of mcguffins, y'know, like all comic books

I really couldn't care less. All media have plot holes and contrivances. Some are acceptable, some aren't. It's a great movie, and if you want to not like it because you think going against the grain and not liking popular things makes you cool and intelligent, that's your prerogative.
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#149 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:55 pm

nedleeds wrote:
NYKnickerbocker wrote:Damn is it that serious lol. It’s a comic movie. Guess they shoulda had a solo Thanos movie before infinity war to fully flesh him out for you

Not really, they can just follow the story that's already been written and satisfy the comic book readers and the casual barnacles who will watch eggs fry if there's enough CGI and Scarlett Johnasson's ass.


I will only watch one of those two things.
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#150 » by nedleeds » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:13 pm

Louielou wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
K-DOT wrote:Not really

It's been pretty consistently proven incorrect

But that's why he's the villain. Because he's wrong. He's a great villain because he honestly believes he's right


It's not a right wrong question it's just a dumb plot that means an omnipotent being can't figure out how to multiply by 2. Just double the resources and living space. Boom done. The comic book plot makes sense in the context of his upbringing and never being loved by his Eternal father. He loves the one entity that can never love him back, but haunts him. It explains why he'd do something so irrational, because emotional decisions are irrational. The dumpster movie plot makes him out to be this benefactor who goes through great and precise rational pains to wipe out 1/2 of certain planets populace. Then when he doesn't have to do it by hand anymore he can no longer divide or multiply.

These movies have to dream up these assinine nonsense plots and mcguffins because the screenwriter union hacks have to get their credits. It's terrible. But most people are content to watch the shiny objects move around the screen.


Population growth is exponential though not linear. Halving the population would push back this doomsday scenario moreso than doubling the resources would.


Omnipotent is omnipotent and the universe is infinite. Infinity. The gauntlet is literally called the Infinity Gauntlet. You can double, square or log a number and it's never greater than infinity, math isn't the hill to die on here.
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#151 » by DOT » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:15 pm

nedleeds wrote:
Louielou wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
It's not a right wrong question it's just a dumb plot that means an omnipotent being can't figure out how to multiply by 2. Just double the resources and living space. Boom done. The comic book plot makes sense in the context of his upbringing and never being loved by his Eternal father. He loves the one entity that can never love him back, but haunts him. It explains why he'd do something so irrational, because emotional decisions are irrational. The dumpster movie plot makes him out to be this benefactor who goes through great and precise rational pains to wipe out 1/2 of certain planets populace. Then when he doesn't have to do it by hand anymore he can no longer divide or multiply.

These movies have to dream up these assinine nonsense plots and mcguffins because the screenwriter union hacks have to get their credits. It's terrible. But most people are content to watch the shiny objects move around the screen.


Population growth is exponential though not linear. Halving the population would push back this doomsday scenario moreso than doubling the resources would.


Omnipotent is omnipotent and the universe is infinite. Infinity. The gauntlet is literally called the Infinity Gauntlet. You can double, square or log a number and it's never greater than infinity, math isn't the hill to die on here.

Says the guy that doesn't understand the fundamental problem with doubling the size of planets
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#152 » by nedleeds » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:30 pm

K-DOT wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Louielou wrote:
Population growth is exponential though not linear. Halving the population would push back this doomsday scenario moreso than doubling the resources would.


Omnipotent is omnipotent and the universe is infinite. Infinity. The gauntlet is literally called the Infinity Gauntlet. You can double, square or log a number and it's never greater than infinity, math isn't the hill to die on here.

Says the guy that doesn't understand the fundamental problem with doubling the size of planets


Huh? You just double the livable real estate but keep the same population. You don't make Earth double big. Though the gauntlet lets your warp the laws of physics so you could if you so desired. Or you just end the need for sustenance and let people eat for pleasure. All this nonsense is why the insane love story actually makes sense given the tenets of the gauntlet. Again if you just want to drool over a CGI raccoon and slurp up whatever nonsense plot Disney's hacks churn out that's totally fine, but it's a dumb plot.
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#153 » by Fury » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:34 pm

The love story is stupid
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#154 » by DOT » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:40 pm

nedleeds wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Omnipotent is omnipotent and the universe is infinite. Infinity. The gauntlet is literally called the Infinity Gauntlet. You can double, square or log a number and it's never greater than infinity, math isn't the hill to die on here.

Says the guy that doesn't understand the fundamental problem with doubling the size of planets


Huh? You just double the livable real estate but keep the same population. You double make Earth double big. Though the gauntlet lets your warp the laws of physics so you could if you so desired. Or you just end the need for sustenance and let people eat for pleasure. All this nonsense is why the insane love story actually makes sense given the tenets of the gauntlet. Again if you just want to drool over a CGI raccoon and slurp up whatever nonsense plot Disney's hacks churn out that's totally fine, but it's a dumb plot.

Except the love story still doesn't make sense, and is just as bad a motivation as what we got

You're just slurping up a nonsense plot and calling it genius, and mocking people for liking something for the sole reason it has the Disney logo on it

It doesn't make you cool, or intelligent, it just makes you seem bitter
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#155 » by DOT » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:48 pm

Fury wrote:The love story is stupid

Giant purple alien who wants to wipe out half the universe to appease the representation of death itself? Genius storytelling, great characters, 10/10

Giant purple alien who wants to wipe out half the universe because he thinks that's the only way to save the remaining half? Pshhh, what nonsensical slop, totally unbelievable, -10/10
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#156 » by nedleeds » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:26 pm

K-DOT wrote:
Fury wrote:The love story is stupid

Giant purple alien who wants to wipe out half the universe to appease the representation of death itself? Genius storytelling, great characters, 10/10

Giant purple alien who wants to wipe out half the universe because he thinks that's the only way to save the remaining half? Pshhh, what nonsensical slop, totally unbelievable, -10/10


Keep ignoring the fact that that he has a omnipotent gauntlet and can't multiply and it all comes together. I make half of them disappear. What genius, much plan.

Edit: LOL. He apparently also leaves the smartest one alive to figure out how to undo it. Great use of otherwise rational omnipotence. Makes FrankenRonin look like a master strategist.
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#157 » by DOT » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:33 pm

nedleeds wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
Fury wrote:The love story is stupid

Giant purple alien who wants to wipe out half the universe to appease the representation of death itself? Genius storytelling, great characters, 10/10

Giant purple alien who wants to wipe out half the universe because he thinks that's the only way to save the remaining half? Pshhh, what nonsensical slop, totally unbelievable, -10/10


Keep ignoring the fact that that he has a omnipotent gauntlet and can't multiply and it all comes together. I make half of them disappear. What genius, much plan.

My guy, you're ignoring the fact that I don't care

I don't care that there's giant holes in his logic. There's supposed to be, that's why he's the villain. You're making it out like I think it was some genius plan, I don't, it's a terrible plan. But he's the villain

Meanwhile you keep ignoring the fact that the entire premise of Infinity Gauntlet is just as nonsensical, but you call it genius because it doesn't have a corporate logo on it, while the equally nonsensical Infinity War/Endgame you call slop because it was made by Disney

That's your only point, which is why I'm making fun of you, but you're pretending like your side makes logical sense when it doesn't, then trying to say I need to justify mine in a logical sense when that was never my argument

It's all just bad faith arguments from you to justify your dislike of all things corporate because of your superiority complex. Who the f*ck cares if Thanos's logic doesn't make sense, it didn't make sense in the comics either but you're pretending like I'm making the claim it does
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#158 » by KnicksGadfly » Wed May 1, 2019 10:24 am

You guys are feeding the troll way too hard
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Re: OT: Avengers: Endgame 

Post#159 » by Kidknick! » Wed May 1, 2019 10:39 am

Anybody on this thread talk about how Hawkeye's wife is a God damn Skrull?? Secret Invasion is where they go next.
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Post#160 » by Meat » Wed May 1, 2019 12:42 pm

Kidknick! wrote:Anybody on this thread talk about how Hawkeye's wife is a God damn Skrull?? Secret Invasion is where they go next.

Nope

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