Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

[ny-n-md]

I don’t understand why RJ isn’t unanimous around here.

https://hoopshype.com/2019/05/15/2019-nba-mock-draft-zion-williamson-lottery-results/

The top 3 in this draft is unanimous by the experts and RJ is viewed as #2 by some. He was the top rated prospect coming into this season. I’m picking this kid and not looking back.

[alphad0gz]

Short of a future unprotected pick there is no reason to trade back in the draft. That's just inviting failure

This.

Only way I an trading back is if I am certain I could get a good lottery chance for a top pick in the 2020 draft.

Trading back is crazy. We'd be trading a pick that most people think will be a star on some level for lower picks. I realize that some of those later picks turn out well but the odds are against it. We could end up drafting a starter and then strike out as far as the other two picks. Or we could strike out on all three after trading a really good player for them.

[F N 11]

I don’t understand why RJ isn’t unanimous around here.

https://hoopshype.com/2019/05/15/2019-nba-mock-draft-zion-williamson-lottery-results/

The top 3 in this draft is unanimous by the experts and RJ is viewed as #2 by some. He was the top rated prospect coming into this season. I’m picking this kid and not looking back.

It’s frustrating but let me give you a tour

[N Y K]

Last year to move from 5th to 3rd cost the mavs a top 5 protected first round pick, this year to move from 8th to 3rd fans only want to charge the hawks a no.10 pick and possibly some second rounders? Seems like a bit of a discount to me.

Would you equate last year's draft with this one? Would you equate getting RJ with getting Luca?

Not saying trade for that, but just sayin'... apples to oranges.

[ny-n-md]

I don’t understand why RJ isn’t unanimous around here.

https://hoopshype.com/2019/05/15/2019-nba-mock-draft-zion-williamson-lottery-results/

The top 3 in this draft is unanimous by the experts and RJ is viewed as #2 by some. He was the top rated prospect coming into this season. I’m picking this kid and not looking back.

It’s frustrating but let me give you a tour

Lol

We’re so dramatic as a fan base but they keep saying we’re the most knowledgeable fans. We just like to share our thoughts and opinions louder than any other fan base.

[Knicks Byke]

y'all would be good w Ja?

[Fury]

y'all would be good w Ja?

Yep

[awy]

rj isnt that good and wont get that much better. will be overpaid if given the ball on a bad team and negative player on a winning team.

[dakomish23]

I don’t understand why RJ isn’t unanimous around here.

https://hoopshype.com/2019/05/15/2019-nba-mock-draft-zion-williamson-lottery-results/

The top 3 in this draft is unanimous by the experts and RJ is viewed as #2 by some. He was the top rated prospect coming into this season. I’m picking this kid and not looking back.

It’s frustrating but let me give you a tour

Lol

We’re so dramatic as a fan base but they keep saying we’re the most knowledgeable fans. We just like to share our thoughts and opinions louder than any other fan base.

This is easily the greatest description of the Knicks fan base I have ever read.

[Fury]

rj isnt that good and wont get that much better. will be overpaid if given the ball on a bad team and negative player on a winning team.

Aight maybe he will or won’t be good. But why won’t he get much better? Dude is young by even freshman standards.

[Polk377]

rj isnt that good and wont get that much better. will be overpaid if given the ball on a bad team and negative player on a winning team.

Pure nonsensical take. A 19 year old kid with a well rounded game won't get better? Based off of what exactly? He is also a very unselfish player who gets his teammates involved. Good team or bad he will make others better around him.

[Jeff Van Gully]

It’s frustrating but let me give you a tour

Lol

We’re so dramatic as a fan base but they keep saying we’re the most knowledgeable fans. We just like to share our thoughts and opinions louder than any other fan base.

This is easily the greatest description of the Knicks fan base I have ever read.

i think the knowledgeable fans narrative comes from the 60s and 70s when NY/MSG was the center stage of the basketball universe. media center. permanent home of NCAA title. streetball legends dominated. truly the city's game. i don't think it's a fair assumption to make now that the game's so global. i avoid that superlative.

[taj2133]

Before the unveiling of the lottery results, some scouts and personnel execs said that if the Hawks had won the No. 2 pick, they would focus on wing Jarrett Culver - and that the Cavaliers might have done the same, passing on outstanding guards Ja Morant and RJ Barrett.

Rumors have even cropped up about the Knicks considering Culver over Barrett with the No. 3 pick. At the least, the Knicks will weigh the option.

NBA DRAFT 2019: At least four teams exploring trading draft picks

At No. 5, though, there's a pretty good chance the Cavs can get their man, if the Lakers pass on him at No. 4 - though that is no guarantee. Culver had good numbers at the Chicago pre-draft combine, measuring 6-6.75 with a 6-9.5 wingspan.

The Hawks, having dropped to No. 8, have little chance of getting Culver without a trade up. According to sources around the league, Culver's floor - the lowest spot he'd be drafted - is the Bulls at No. 7.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-draft-2019-rumors-news-zion-williamson-agent-search-jarrett-culver-will-land/cj54bc7ppacr1o43wxer66kd7

[GONYK]

Maybe for Culver and another good asset. We'd need to see what that is, of course.

The safer way and, I would argue, the best way of using this pick is to acquire the best talent, which is Barrett. We need more A-list young talent with high upside. This is our chance to get that with Barrett. Especially, if we end up getting shut out in FA, which is not a complete impossibility by any stretch. I don't care what these talking heads in the media are saying.

I've also read scouting reports that believe Barrett and Knox would compliment each other on the court at the 3 and 4.

I would argue the best use of the pick, by far, is trading it for AD.

I get your point. I just have this feeling that if we blow all this money and draft picks on AD and not only will we get swindled in the trade but something will happen (injury or premature KD breakdown?) or won't go well in terms of chemistry to ruin this attempt at relevance.

Moreover, I'm not sure I would enjoy watching three new all-star level players come to the Knicks in one fell swoop. This would be worse than Miami with Wade, LBJ, and Bosh. At least the Heat already had their leader in Wade. Lebron neatly fell in place under Wade and Bosh, to his credit, took the back seat willingly and did the other things necessary. I'm just, personally, not comfortable with it. I'd rather develop our own core and then add the missing pieces at the right time.

I want a championship. Don't care how I get it or what happens after.

If KD is coming, he's not waiting until the right time to get missing pieces. He's going to want to win now.

I'm also not the biggest believer in RJ being a surefire perennial all-star or an easy player to build around.

[newyorker4ever]

Brandon Clarke is someone I’m interested in. I love the transferability of his skills to the NBA. We can’t take him at 3, but if we’re not sold on RJ, trading back and adding another asset while snatching him up, might be an intriguing option.

Which is why I’m not opposed to trading down if we have an indication no max guys are coming.

8, 10, Hawks 2020 1st top 5 protected for 3.

8 - Reddish
10 - Clarke

DSJ
Reddish
Knox
Clarke
Mitch

Solid core of young guys there and 6 firsts over the next three years + cap. Great shape going forward.

If we have an indication that no max guys are coming which i'm really starting to get the sense of because i now have this feeling that KD is the type to go against the grain of what everyone thinks and has been saying he's gonna do and ends up re-signing with GSW. Their owner has already said he doesn't kind paying whatever it takes to keep the band together so i don't think paying that luxury tax is something he even cares about if they can keep winning championships. So if this happens then i not only would be good with trading down but also using future assets in draft picks and young players to move back into the late lottery or mid first round and just really go for this rebuild and draft like 3 players in this first round of this draft. I'd be good with coming out of this draft with 3 first round picks.

[newyorker4ever]

Brandon Clarke is someone I’m interested in. I love the transferability of his skills to the NBA. We can’t take him at 3, but if we’re not sold on RJ, trading back and adding another asset while snatching him up, might be an intriguing option.

Which is why I’m not opposed to trading down if we have an indication no max guys are coming.

8, 10, Hawks 2020 1st top 5 protected for 3.

8 - Reddish
10 - Clarke

DSJ
Reddish
Knox
Clarke
Mitch

Solid core of young guys there and 6 firsts over the next three years + cap. Great shape going forward.

If we get an indication that no one is coming, then I would not have a problem putting a package together for the number 2 pick. Ja and RJ would give us a really good back court. Along with Mitch, they could be our version of a Curry, Thompson and Green without the exceptional shooting in a few years.

Or instead of trading up for that #2 pick, which would cost a bunch, we could make a trade for that Lakers 4th pick and draft D.Garland who's a pure shooter and put him with RJ in the back court. RJ isn't a great shooter so i'd like to have at least one of our back court players to be a great shooter which would be Garland. I love Ja but to have two average shooters in our back court isn't really the best option.

[newyorker4ever]

this is great news, do it pills!

the one thing that sticks is that he uses his body so well to create room.

he’s just strong and because of that’s gets to his spots. he can go to his left.

his shot is slow to get off but there nothing mechanic wise that raise concerns.

guys let’s start the jarret culver hype train, this is the kid we seek with the #3.

I'd take D.Hunter over J.Culver and would probably take Garland over him as well. Hunter is the guy i really like and he outplayed him when they played each other in that tourney game. I damn sure wouldn't be mad at Culver cause i am a fan but Hunter is my guy. Plays both sides of the ball and can shoot the rock and can play either forward position.

[newyorker4ever]

I'd take Sekou and Clarke or Porter with the Hawks picks.

Big fan of Sekou but one of the biggest things that pisses me off about Fiz is his track record with euro players. It is not good at all and even a story came out after we hired him that he doesn't like euro players and/or can't get along with them or some shyt like that. I really think this Sekou kid is gonna be really good.

[newyorker4ever]

rj isnt that good and wont get that much better. will be overpaid if given the ball on a bad team and negative player on a winning team.

Aight maybe he will or won’t be good. But why won’t he get much better? Dude is young by even freshman standards.

NOBODY knows what players will be what at the next level even though many talk in facts on here. Every single draft multiple lottery picks end up being busts. Do you think these GM's and their scouts that have been doing this stuff for many years would draft guys with their lottery picks if they knew they were gonna be busts? Of course not but you just can't predict how these kids will adjust to that next level of basketball. So much of it is mental and that's where you can't figure these kids out because they're all gonna do and say the right things in their visits with teams because they were schooled up by their agents or others about what to do and say. You really just gotta hope you put these kids in the right situation with other players and coaches that help them the right way and hope they can make that adjustment.

[G_K_F]

Knox is going to be the superior player to RJ

Knox > RJ