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OT: Democratic Primary Thread

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Who are you voting for?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:48 pm

Joe Biden - I have no idea why, and I also forgot what year it is
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28%
Bernie Sanders - I am an intelligent human being, and understand Sanders is our last hope and America needs him
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58%
Tulsi Gabbard (Dropped Out) - Ringo Starr is also my favorite Beatle
9
14%
 
Total votes: 65

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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#141 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:23 pm

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Your feelings are not facts.

And as far as sticking together, I made it very clear I'd vote for Bernie if he were the nominee and far more people are like me, not you.


In other words, far more people would vote for Bernie than for Biden. Checkmate.


That makes zero sense. And what's with this childish checkmate rubbish? Just when I thought you had reached peak irrationality you say something like this. I'll resume talking politics with you when you decide to grow up.


You've been calling Bernie supporters all kinds of names throughout this thread. Did I call you a name? Did I refer to you as "toxic"? Not at all.

Stop being so jumpy.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#142 » by spree8 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:28 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:My hunch is Klobuchar will be tapped as the VP

That basically covers the map. Biden competes in the South already and will beat Trump on the coasts. Amy makes him stronger in the middle of the country. Harris does not give him that leverage.

I'm guessing Harris is either going to head the Justice Dept. or be tapped for the Supreme Court

And please spare us the diatribes about the crooked establishment folks. I'm just discussing strategy here, not your likes and dislikes.



Thought you said Harris would be the favorite as Biden wants a woman of color?
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#143 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:38 pm

spree8 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:My hunch is Klobuchar will be tapped as the VP

That basically covers the map. Biden competes in the South already and will beat Trump on the coasts. Amy makes him stronger in the middle of the country. Harris does not give him that leverage.

I'm guessing Harris is either going to head the Justice Dept. or be tapped for the Supreme Court

And please spare us the diatribes about the crooked establishment folks. I'm just discussing strategy here, not your likes and dislikes.



Thought you said Harris would be the favorite as Biden wants a woman of color?


He has now omitted the second part. Now it's a woman with no reference to race. Because of that, I considered the strategic implications and found Klobuchar to be a more likely choice.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#144 » by spree8 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:52 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
spree8 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:My hunch is Klobuchar will be tapped as the VP

That basically covers the map. Biden competes in the South already and will beat Trump on the coasts. Amy makes him stronger in the middle of the country. Harris does not give him that leverage.

I'm guessing Harris is either going to head the Justice Dept. or be tapped for the Supreme Court

And please spare us the diatribes about the crooked establishment folks. I'm just discussing strategy here, not your likes and dislikes.



Thought you said Harris would be the favorite as Biden wants a woman of color?


He has now omitted the second part. Now it's a woman with no reference to race. Because of that, I considered the strategic implications and found Klobuchar to be a more likely choice.



Yea I never remembered him saying that and couldn’t find it... just that “and/or” part. Never made sense the way she attacked him like that. Not a fan of hers either so hopefully she doesn’t get the nod... Amy does make more sense but let’s see.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#145 » by Stannis » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:16 pm

I changed my vote to Gabbard to put her over Biden, just for the lolz
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#146 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:27 pm

spree8 wrote:
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Thought you said Harris would be the favorite as Biden wants a woman of color?


He has now omitted the second part. Now it's a woman with no reference to race. Because of that, I considered the strategic implications and found Klobuchar to be a more likely choice.



Yea I never remembered him saying that and couldn’t find it... just that “and/or” part. Never made sense the way she attacked him like that. Not a fan of hers either so hopefully she doesn’t get the nod... Amy does make more sense but let’s see.


She'll end up in some high level appointed position though unless she wants to hold her Senate seat
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#147 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:02 pm

This stock market sure hates Trump

People are going vote with their portfolios too and some of them are going to blame Trump for their losses, because every time he opens his mouth now he tanks the markets even more

This useless dog just told our state Governors to "Seek Out Respirators on Their Own"
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#148 » by duetta » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:46 pm

Tax cuts are great and all that but having Trump presiding over a global emergency is even a downer for the stock market...
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#149 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:35 pm

Bernie rally at 7 p.m. with Neil Young concert. Biden supporters invites (so they can see what real enthusiasm is all about :P ). Oh wait, it’s digital. :lol:

Anyhow ... NEEEEEEIIIIIIIIL

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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#150 » by Kampuchea » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:46 pm

This forum is pro Bernie, love to see it. Biden is another snake just like Trump.

If it’s not Bernie not sure what I’d do.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#151 » by Stannis » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:20 am

Clyde_Style wrote:And some Bernie supporters have shown themselves to be quite toxic. They're right here in this thread hurling insults and trolling so I don't know what you're talking about on this point frankly. Some of them are very bitter and say they'd rather have Trump than Biden. I consider Trump a modern day Nazi, so I see nothing inaccurate in saying some Bernie supporters will choose Nazism over compromise. The spite and hatred that comes out of that kind of vitriol is counter-productive and will not help them get anything they hope to achieve in their lifetimes, because that's what it takes, a lifetime commitment to enact progressive change, not temper tantrums.

No question there are toxic Bernie supporters. But what I'm saying, there are toxic Biden supporters, toxic Warren supporters, etc. For instance, there was an sexual assault accuser of Biden, and her Twitter page was flooded with comments like "lyin b**tch". Is that not toxic?

Anyways, I just never thought much of online behaviors, especially when it comes to judging a candidate. We might notice it more with Bernie because he appeals to the younger generation, who are the ones that mostly use social media. When you have to dig that deep to attack Bernie, that just shows what a great guy he is. You can't attack him, so you find dirt on his supporters.

On the other hand, we had an actual Biden surrogate tell Nina Turner that she wasn't allowed to quote MLK. She then apologized with crocodile tears by labeling her an "angry black woman". And this is an actual surrogate of Biden. Not some random Twitter account. Yet, I saw none of the major leftist outlets make a big deal of this. If that was a Sanders surrogate, forget about it. He would have been labeled a racist.

I haven't read this thread word for word. Maybe there are some that would want Trump over Biden. But I just want to point out, not supporting Biden does not mean you support Trump. Wingo for instance is probably the one throwing the most insults at Biden, but I know for a fact he is no Trump supporter. This is what I am mostly seeing in this thread. So I seriously doubt anybody here would vote for a Nazi over Biden.

To many, including myself, a rotten apple is a rotten apple. It doesn't matter how rotten it is. Many aren't registered democrats. Many are swing voters. Many don't like Biden's voting history, lies, and corruption. I've already been labeled a MAGA guy on the CA board because I made it clear I was on the fence on voting for Biden or third party. But, what you gonna do? That's the internet.

Anyways, we can't just pretend Biden is going to win because there's this belief he's entitled to votes because "we need to beat Trump". I was so sure Hillary was going to win 2016, so I'm not going to underestimate Trump in 2020.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#152 » by Fury » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:26 am

Stannis wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:And some Bernie supporters have shown themselves to be quite toxic. They're right here in this thread hurling insults and trolling so I don't know what you're talking about on this point frankly. Some of them are very bitter and say they'd rather have Trump than Biden. I consider Trump a modern day Nazi, so I see nothing inaccurate in saying some Bernie supporters will choose Nazism over compromise. The spite and hatred that comes out of that kind of vitriol is counter-productive and will not help them get anything they hope to achieve in their lifetimes, because that's what it takes, a lifetime commitment to enact progressive change, not temper tantrums.

No question there are toxic Bernie supporters. But what I'm saying, there are toxic Biden supporters, toxic Warren supporters, etc. For instance, there was an sexual assault accuser of Biden, and her Twitter page was flooded with comments like "lyin b**tch". Is that not toxic?

Anyways, I just never thought much of online behaviors, especially when it comes to judging a candidate. We might notice it more with Bernie because he appeals to the younger generation, who are the ones that mostly use social media. When you have to dig that deep to attack Bernie, that just shows what a great guy he is. You can't attack him, so you find dirt on his supporters.

On the other hand, we had an actual Biden surrogate tell Nina Turner that she wasn't allowed to quote MLK. She then apologized with crocodile tears by labeling her an "angry black woman". And this is an actual surrogate of Biden. Not some random Twitter account. Yet, I saw none of the major leftist outlets make a big deal of this. If that was a Sanders surrogate, forget about it. He would have been labeled a racist.

I haven't read this thread word for word. Maybe there are some that would want Trump over Biden. But I just want to point out, not supporting Biden does not mean you support Trump. Wingo for instance is probably the one throwing the most insults at Biden, but I know for a fact he is no Trump supporter. This is what I am mostly seeing in this thread. So I seriously doubt anybody here would vote for a Nazi over Biden.

To many, including myself, a rotten apple is a rotten apple. It doesn't matter how rotten it is. Many aren't registered democrats. Many are swing voters. Many don't like Biden's voting history, lies, and corruption. I've already been labeled a MAGA guy on the CA board because I made it clear I was on the fence on voting for Biden or third party. But, what you gonna do? That's the internet.

Anyways, we can't just pretend Biden is going to win because there's this belief he's entitled to votes because "we need to beat Trump". I was so sure Hillary was going to win 2016, so I'm not going to underestimate Trump in 2020.


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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#153 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:45 am

Stannis wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:And some Bernie supporters have shown themselves to be quite toxic. They're right here in this thread hurling insults and trolling so I don't know what you're talking about on this point frankly. Some of them are very bitter and say they'd rather have Trump than Biden. I consider Trump a modern day Nazi, so I see nothing inaccurate in saying some Bernie supporters will choose Nazism over compromise. The spite and hatred that comes out of that kind of vitriol is counter-productive and will not help them get anything they hope to achieve in their lifetimes, because that's what it takes, a lifetime commitment to enact progressive change, not temper tantrums.

No question there are toxic Bernie supporters. But what I'm saying, there are toxic Biden supporters, toxic Warren supporters, etc. For instance, there was an sexual assault accuser of Biden, and her Twitter page was flooded with comments like "lyin b**tch". Is that not toxic?

Anyways, I just never thought much of online behaviors, especially when it comes to judging a candidate. We might notice it more with Bernie because he appeals to the younger generation, who are the ones that mostly use social media. When you have to dig that deep to attack Bernie, that just shows what a great guy he is. You can't attack him, so you find dirt on his supporters.

On the other hand, we had an actual Biden surrogate tell Nina Turner that she wasn't allowed to quote MLK. She then apologized with crocodile tears by labeling her an "angry black woman". And this is an actual surrogate of Biden. Not some random Twitter account. Yet, I saw none of the major leftist outlets make a big deal of this. If that was a Sanders surrogate, forget about it. He would have been labeled a racist.

I haven't read this thread word for word. Maybe there are some that would want Trump over Biden. But I just want to point out, not supporting Biden does not mean you support Trump. Wingo for instance is probably the one throwing the most insults at Biden, but I know for a fact he is no Trump supporter. This is what I am mostly seeing in this thread. So I seriously doubt anybody here would vote for a Nazi over Biden.

To many, including myself, a rotten apple is a rotten apple. It doesn't matter how rotten it is. Many aren't registered democrats. Many are swing voters. Many don't like Biden's voting history, lies, and corruption. I've already been labeled a MAGA guy on the CA board because I made it clear I was on the fence on voting for Biden or third party. But, what you gonna do? That's the internet.

Anyways, we can't just pretend Biden is going to win because there's this belief he's entitled to votes because "we need to beat Trump". I was so sure Hillary was going to win 2016, so I'm not going to underestimate Trump in 2020.


I support your right to support whomever you want. I don't care for the rhetoric used by all kinds of people these days. I'm not calling anyone a Nazi sympathizer because I consider Trump a proto-Nazi, but I do think you become a Nazi enabler if you can't tolerate and support a Democratic ticket that doesn't meet your personal demands and that helps Trump get re-elected.

I have not been here trying to suppress anyone's opinion at all. I do take issue with the basic premise that there is little difference between a Biden ticket and Trump being re-elected. I do find it childish to hear this kind of sentiment after watching more than three years of destruction of positive protections. It is really easy to destroy. That's what is going down. Hillary would have been hated by some of you, but she wouldn't have put kids on the borders in cages and gutted the EPA. I don't even like the Clintons particularly, but I'm fed up with the all or nothing rationales that justify spitefully being a wedge that could allow Trumpists to consolidate power.

I'm not even arguing for Biden over Bernie. I'm merely saying that if the general voting population chooses Biden then we need to support him to defeat Trump. So, yes, I do think anyone who supports Bernie now that thinks it wouldn't matter if Trump or Biden were elected is basically a child.

Finally, the virus just gave Bernie a small window of opportunity. Ohio postponed, but Florida is still voting tomorrow. Well, most of the senior citizens that didn't mail in their ballot (a lot of them do) will stay home and not vote. If there is a miracle waiting for Bernie it will be tomorrow in Florida.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#154 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:04 am

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Post#155 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:31 am

Another reason to support the nominee and defeat Trump

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Post#156 » by Marty McFly » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:05 am

Clyde_Style wrote:Another reason to support the nominee and defeat Trump

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Post#157 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:16 am

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can't wait for the biden's nominees to join merrick garland on the supreme court.


Well, if you weren't so invested in throwing acid on everything you'd actually be able to stop and think before you speak.

Obama was undermined by the GOP in congress. Mitch McConnell said that was his crowning achievement. Now you're irresponsibly laying that at the feet of Biden.

The point is the Democrats should regain the WH and both the House and the Senate. Then there will not be Merrick Garland type incidents.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#158 » by dakomish23 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:24 am

Clyde_Style wrote:Another reason to support the nominee and defeat Trump

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Great. Just great.

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Post#159 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:35 am

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Great. Just great.

We have to take back Congress or we are boned


Yes, I don't see how anyone could argue against the necessity to unify behind the ticket for this reason alone.

This has been McConnell's prime agenda during this term and they have packed the courts with MAGA loyalists.

Another term of this and all the good dreams in the world will never have a chance to materialize if you have the appeals courts stacked with the intention to block any kind of progressive initiatives. It's a nightmare. People need to stop bickering and wake up.
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Re: OT: Democratic Primary Thread 

Post#160 » by dakomish23 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:41 am

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Great. Just great.

We have to take back Congress or we are boned


Yes, I don't see how anyone could argue against the necessity to unify behind the ticket for this reason alone.

This has been McConnell's prime agenda during this term and they have packed the courts with MAGA loyalists.

Another term of this and all the good dreams in the world will never have a chance to materialize if you have the appeals courts stacked with the intention to block any kind of progressive initiatives. It's a nightmare. People need to stop bickering and wake up.


Amy McGrath is getting a ton of funding & her taking out Mitch would be a big blow to the GOP.

Not sure Harrison can take out Lindsey
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