Clyde_Style wrote:
I understand what he is doing and he wants mayhem. If you really think he wants literal law and order you've been suckered. Fascists create disorder in order to take control. That's what he's attempting to do. I don't think it could be any more obvious, so think about it some more.
He wants mayhem but only as an excuse to justify the law and order crackdowns of any dissent to his rule that would follow the mayhem, to make him seem like an powerful authoritarian strongman who crushed the movement. Because that's what leaders like him do. But he first needs it to be viewed as justified in the public eye.
Clyde_Style wrote:
And this has everything to do with why the White House sent in troops. Their response was not done to bring peace and order. It was done to stoke the flames and agitate and create more riots and destruction. It is beyond obvious Trump is antagonizing protestors, not defending local turf.
So framing this as the failure of local authorities thus justifying Trump stepping is a bogus argument. Trump's actions didn't improve anything, it was just him stirring the pot. Trump doesn't do anything for any reason than what serves his own self-interests and his intention is to create more chaos, not less.
Pretty much. The more atrocities they commit against the people the more people see it and say enough is enough
Trump is lying when he tells people that only he can stop the protests and riots and he's the only thing standing in their way. Not only will he not do that, they will be 100x worse in the next 4 years under Trump and he's a big reason they even exist. The more he tries to use force to stop them the more people will be energized to keep protesting. He tried to send in his secret police in Portland after things had mostly calmed down. Because again he desperately wants to be known as the strongman that ended the protests and crushed BLM. But it only made things much much worse and got the whole city out on the streets from veterans to moms to stand against them.
It's just untrue that these Mayors didn't try to stop them. DeBlasio tried everything he could, he has allowed the nypd to do whatever they want to protesters, tried days of the unjust curfew to give them an excuse to attack anybody they want, they are using gas and weapons of war, vehicular attacks, taking people's eyes and limbs with rubber bullets, but it still didn't work because there are too many protesters and everything they tried to do just outraged the community more and more. Because ultimately, the cause is just and many people can feel that.
When the fascists come to your town and you counter-protest, you're officially "antifa" at that point, which isn't even an actual organization with members or leaders. The fascist groups (the traditionalist workers party, league of the south, identity evropa, the NSM and other affiliated groups, literal nazis, with swastikas) came to my hometown in Pikeville Kentucky several years back, a little bit before Charlottesville happened actually, and they were also joined by the 3% militia carrying a bunch of assault rifles because they needed to "protect free speech" aka nazi speech. They came to spread white supremacist propaganda and recruit. Many of us didn't want them in our town, mostly young people at the local college and a church, and held a counter demonstration across the street to drown them out with signs and noisemakers. These are the people the right designates as terrorists, people who refuse to allow the fascist groups emboldened by the Trump presidency people to proliferate their genocidal ideology, whenever a community comes out to oppose fascist organizing and prevent them from recruiting and spreading. I'm proud to get out there and let these groups know they won't operate unopposed, so yeah I'm anti-fascist. The president of antifa actually.
