Knicks- Hornets PG

[Fat]

Knox struggles to put together a full game of offensive success. he always has a good half then disappears.

He’s got the talent but he doesn’t have the brain he’s such a simple player.

[2010]

I mean, they all want to win, but wanting to win and being able to to win are two different things

You're right though, the issue is we've just not even tried to get an even decent PG. We don't go after VanVleet in the offseason, don't draft one at 8, and don't get aggressive enough to move up for LaMelo. I know people hate when I say this, but even if Obi is really good, we probably should have taken Haliburton over him because he's just a much bigger need and has a much clearer role on a good team

But even with the roster as-is, the issue is (as I said to start the year) that Payton is in a vacuum the "best" PG on the team, but when you look at how guys play with each other, he's a pretty bad fit. Even though Rivers is not really a PG and arguably not even really better than Payton, he's just a much better fit at starting PG for us

I think coaches focus too much on individual play, and not group play, how guys play with certain other players. Cause especially for a team full of players as flawed as our are, you can't just ignore fit and throw out the 5 "best" guys at once, you have to look at 5-man units as a whole.

Bro, I was PLEADING for them to either be aggressive and trade up for LaMelo or stand pat and take Haliburton. I had them as the clear top two PGs. We did neither.

In a vacuum I agre le with you but the draft is supposed to be drafting for the next decade, not the next year. Free agency is for needs. It’s clear their move for a point guard was moving up a few spots for IQ.

IQ is not the type of PG who can be a floor leader and an engine for a team. He's a combo guard.

[god shammgod]

Mitch as show the most adaptability and response to coaching of all our young players. Dude went from a foul machine to really curbing it within the first 10 games. He needs more scoring opportunities now (with his efficiency) and he needs freedom to shoot the 3. The coaching staff has to encourage it. Even if it doesn't bear fruit now, it'll prove beneficial by time this team is actually good (assuming he'll still be here by then).

i don't know if he has the go ahead. but if he does they should be yelling at him to shoot every time he doesn't. even if he sucks at it for now. everyone else does, what's the difference.

[seren]

I like Thibs' thinking. He will get the vets injured with heavy minutes and he will be "forced" to go all youth. Smart.

[robillionaire]

nerlens team best +6 mitch team worst -27 nerlens gang

[CharlesOakley]

The worst part of the game for me is we kept the starts in with less than 3 minutes left. I don't understand piling up minutes in clear losses. No reporter dares ask why.

[Jimmit79]

I like Thibs' thinking. He will get the vets injured with heavy minutes and he will be "forced" to go all youth. Smart.

Thibs is trying to defy faith many have tried none have succeeded.

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[2010]

Mitch as show the most adaptability and response to coaching of all our young players. Dude went from a foul machine to really curbing it within the first 10 games. He needs more scoring opportunities now (with his efficiency) and he needs freedom to shoot the 3. The coaching staff has to encourage it. Even if it doesn't bear fruit now, it'll prove beneficial by time this team is actually good (assuming he'll still be here by then).

we don't run a single high P&R with him all game...smh

The in-bounds play for the ally off the pass from Knox was nice. We need a lot more of that.

[thebuzzardman]

These games are so much better when you just look for the positives with the kids

LaMelo would have been nice though

True, unfortunately the kids suck

Quickley needs some time though, I see the potential but I also see why he was selected in the second round.

Quickley is a scrub. Like all the knick youth, minus Mitch, who isn't that great either

[Jimmit79]

The worst part of the game for me is we kept the starts in with less than 3 minutes left. I don't understand piling up minutes in clear losses. No reporter dares ask why.

Who cares enjoy the losses the tank speeding up let's hope it beats other teams tank

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[mpharris36]

If you make 3 pointers worth 4 and 2 pointers worth 3 math changes

He's actually right though

The problem with basketball is a math problem

3 pointers are just way more valuable than most 2 pointers because they're worth 50% more. A 50% 2pt shooter is worth a 33% 3pt shooter, and it's far easier to find a guy who can shoot 33% from 3 than a guy who can shoot 50% from 2. For instance, last year there were 82 players who shot over 50% from 2, and 135 who shot over 33% from 3

If you change it so it's 4 pointers and 3 pointers, what's now a 3pt shot is only worth 33% more than what's now a 2pt shot. The math then becomes a 50% 3pt shooter is worth a 37.5% 4pt shooter, which is still relatively common, but much closer to the 50% mark, where 71 players shot over 37.5% from 3 last year

It's kinda stupid, but that's really the only way to even it out.

which is why the only way to evaluate a player shooting is TS%. The vast disparity shows why a 45% shooting still sucks if they don't take or make any 3's.

[Jimmit79]

I think Leon Rose made a big mistake by hiring a win now coach in Thibs when your teams best player is a zero offense Mitchell Robinson it shows why he should stick to being a agent instead of running basketball operation.

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[YouthMovement]

Immanuel Brickley!!!

• Garbage floater
• Scared to shoot when contested, pump fake fiend
• Cannot shoot off the dribble
• Low shot release

perhaps declarations of pg of the future were premature

[DOT]

Bro, I was PLEADING for them to either be aggressive and trade up for LaMelo or stand pat and take Haliburton. I had them as the clear top two PGs. We did neither.

I had Hayes above Haliburton, which, is really not looking good right now but I'm gonna own it. Once he was in Detroit though, I really wanted Haliburton if we went guard

Imagine a world where we go after VanVleet (he probably doesn't want us regardless, but it's fun to pile on) and we draft Haliburton at 8

VanVleet
Haliburton
RJ
Randle
Mitch

I honestly think we'd be pretty good with that lineup, and it would help us get through RJ's sh*t games. Plus, we'd have 3 guys in the starting lineup who shoot over 33%. We had 1 of those last year, and then we traded him to LA

Like, I'm not trying to sh*t on Obi or anything, he gets the 3 years I give everyone and he hasn't played yet, but he's really not who we needed just from a theoretical standpoint, and that should have been obvious from the start

Now let's draft like, Scottie Barnes 9th overall and bring Payton back for round 3. He'll only be turning 28 next year, that's still young enough to develop.

[mpharris36]

Mitch as show the most adaptability and response to coaching of all our young players. Dude went from a foul machine to really curbing it within the first 10 games. He needs more scoring opportunities now (with his efficiency) and he needs freedom to shoot the 3. The coaching staff has to encourage it. Even if it doesn't bear fruit now, it'll prove beneficial by time this team is actually good (assuming he'll still be here by then).

we don't run a single high P&R with him all game...smh

The in-bounds play for the ally off the pass from Knox was nice. We need a lot more of that.

its a spacing thing because teams will just knock mitch on the roll because there is no threat to hit shots.

In theory 3 stand still shooters a PG that can pass and Mitch would be a pretty lethal offense.

We just need the PG and the 3 shooters

[oldshoolballer]

Why not give Iggy some time can't be any worse

[BBALLER4FR]

Commish needs to postpone the season. Covid is a BIG problem!!

[Synciere]

Bro, I was PLEADING for them to either be aggressive and trade up for LaMelo or stand pat and take Haliburton. I had them as the clear top two PGs. We did neither.

In a vacuum I agre le with you but the draft is supposed to be drafting for the next decade, not the next year. Free agency is for needs. It’s clear their move for a point guard was moving up a few spots for IQ.

IQ is not the type of PG who can be a floor leader and an engine for a team. He's a combo guard.

There just aren’t many point guards or true playmakers available. They’re the most rare player type in the league, the unique talent who can make others better. After this little evaluation period Thibs and Rose referred to it’ll be on Rose and Perry to find a good deal.

[oldshoolballer]

Commish needs to postpone the season. Covid is a BIG problem!!

Yea it's getting out of control back to the bubble.

[Guano]

trade Randle for picks and prospects - can't have him messing up our tank. And keep playing Elf and RJ heavy mins. Maybe RJ will turn it around and Elf is a f'ing loser who will ensure we have a shtty record.

team tank