KNICKS - Houston PG

[TheDavinciCHODE]

Replace RJ in the starting line up with Quickley

Package RJ and a Mavs pick for Lavine before his value drops further.

Last week people were saying RJ was untouchable in a Beale trade.

It's crazy how up and down we are on him.

Before this season, I said that Mitch was our only bona-fide NBA prospect. Meaning he was the only guy you could point to and say "that guy is going to be a starter on a playoff team".

RJ still has a long way to go to be a high-level NBA player. A good stretch here or there doesn't change that.

I'm not saying we have to trade him. But I agree with you that he shouldn't be untouchable. Right now Mitch and Quickly are the only 2 young players on this team that should be untouchable moving forward.

Also, RJ is a tough player to build around. Mitch and IQ fit with literally anyone. And they have 1 elite skill that translates to any situation. RJ has no elite skills. In fact, I don't know if RJ even has 1 star level skill for his position yet.

I'm not giving up, but RJ should definitely be at least available for the right deal.

Not saying that's definitely Lavine, but just saying he shouldn't be untouchable.

Like imagine if Washington called us tomorrow and said "hey, we'll take RJ, Knox, Frank, Dallas pick, and your pick next year for Beale".

I think we'd be stupid not to take that. None of those players are really any good right now, and the Dallas pick will probably be late lotto. Our pick next would be high too.

Imagine

Quick/Rose
Bullock/Burke
Beale/Burke
Randal/Obi
Mitch/Noel

That's a really solid on both ends.

RJ is definitely not a good enough prospect to be untouchable as much as I like him.

[DaGawd]

RJ is gonna be traded for Beal along with 3 FRP

I’m widdit

Yeah, if we can get 3 frp plus Beal for RJ we gotta think hard about that one!

[Spot31]

Replace RJ in the starting line up with Quickley

Package RJ and a Mavs pick for Lavine before his value drops further.

Last week people were saying RJ was untouchable in a Beale trade.

It's crazy how up and down we are on him.

Before this season, I said that Mitch was our only bona-fide NBA prospect. Meaning he was the only guy you could point to and say "that guy is going to be a starter on a playoff team".

RJ still has a long way to go to be a high-level NBA player. A good stretch here or there doesn't change that.

I'm not saying we have to trade him. But I agree with you that he shouldn't be untouchable. Right now Mitch and Quickly are the only 2 young players on this team that should be untouchable moving forward.

Also, RJ is a tough player to build around. Mitch and IQ fit with literally anyone. And they have 1 elite skill that translates to any situation. RJ has no elite skills. In fact, I don't know if RJ even has 1 star level skill for his position yet.

I'm not giving up, but RJ should definitely be at least available for the right deal.

Not saying that's definitely Lavine, but just saying he shouldn't be untouchable.

Like imagine if Washington called us tomorrow and said "hey, we'll take RJ, Knox, Frank, Dallas pick, and your pick next year for Beale".

I think we'd be stupid not to take that. None of those players are really any good right now, and the Dallas pick will probably be late lotto. Our pick next would be high too.

Imagine

Quick/Rose
Bullock/Burke
Beale/Burke
Randal/Obi
Mitch/Noel

That's a really solid on both ends.

RJ is definitely not a good enough prospect to be untouchable as much as I like him.

I agree with Mitch being untouchable because he's the heart of our defense & you can't teach size but why should Quickley be untouchable too? I don't wanna trade any of our young guys unless we're getting a legit franchise player which at the moment there seems to be none available.

[blueNorange]

zach lavine is a loser that chucks and ducks on a losing team.

f no.

[2010]

Alright guys, so as some of you know, some of us have been working on trying to get a webcast/podcast type thing going for a while now, and myself, 2010, and jvsimonetti0514 recorded our first test episode tonight for postgame commentary

It's a bit long, we were aiming for a half hour, but it kind of got away from us, you know how it is. Anyways, here it is if you want a listen, any feedback is appreciated.

https://soundcloud.com/kyle-toce-914542706/pod-in-development

Spoiler:

Melo, you got a mention, Jim was killin' one of ya man's. He bodied one of your favorite players.

[blueNorange]

Let me say this, I hope this organization doesn't put Quickley in a box as a bench player long-term.

You can definitely make the argument Quickley deserved to start earlier this year. Since the Rose trade, he now has not one but two nominal PGs playing ahead of him as Rose entered the game for Payton before him.

i don't want to put those expectations on IQ but he reminds me a little of Billups and CJ. The jumpshot, the ability to draw fouls and the quick first step are a deadly combination. Now it's on the Knicks to develop his playmaking skills.

I like that he's scoring but I don't like that they seem to have put him being a playmaker on the back burner. I would rather he struggle and learn how to run an offense, than him to just be boxed into the Lou Williams role. We're still going to need a PG if that's the plan, Rose is too old to be part of any real long term plans.

i guess you didn't see him vs the heat when he couldn't dribble past the halfcourt line and ended up throwing a hail marry.

playmaking will come, now just utilize his greatest strength.

[Fury]

zach lavine is a loser that chucks and ducks on a losing team.

f no.

His TS% is pretty high

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Replace RJ in the starting line up with Quickley

Package RJ and a Mavs pick for Lavine before his value drops further.

Last week people were saying RJ was untouchable in a Beale trade.

It's crazy how up and down we are on him.

Before this season, I said that Mitch was our only bona-fide NBA prospect. Meaning he was the only guy you could point to and say "that guy is going to be a starter on a playoff team".

RJ still has a long way to go to be a high-level NBA player. A good stretch here or there doesn't change that.

I'm not saying we have to trade him. But I agree with you that he shouldn't be untouchable. Right now Mitch and Quickly are the only 2 young players on this team that should be untouchable moving forward.

Also, RJ is a tough player to build around. Mitch and IQ fit with literally anyone. And they have 1 elite skill that translates to any situation. RJ has no elite skills. In fact, I don't know if RJ even has 1 star level skill for his position yet.

I'm not giving up, but RJ should definitely be at least available for the right deal.

Not saying that's definitely Lavine, but just saying he shouldn't be untouchable.

Like imagine if Washington called us tomorrow and said "hey, we'll take RJ, Knox, Frank, Dallas pick, and your pick next year for Beale".

I think we'd be stupid not to take that. None of those players are really any good right now, and the Dallas pick will probably be late lotto. Our pick next would be high too.

Imagine

Quick/Rose
Bullock/Burke
Beale/Burke
Randal/Obi
Mitch/Noel

That's a really solid on both ends.

RJ is definitely not a good enough prospect to be untouchable as much as I like him.

Beal isn't going to want to play in NY, he's going to want to go to a contender, and that team isn't beating the Sixers, Bucks, Celtics or Heat in a playoff series. Why does everyone want to hastily throw some mediocre team together that might win 45-48 games at best.

[HarthorneWingo]

zach lavine is a loser that chucks and ducks on a losing team.

f no.

His TS% is pretty high

Yeah, his stats are good but he fails the eye test for me. I don't see him as a winning player.

[HarthorneWingo]

That Obi dunk at the end.....WoW!!!!!

Yeah, that certainly made up for the two airballs from 3.

Obi will be fine. I like the kid.

[Montmorencie]

Package RJ and a Mavs pick for Lavine before his value drops further.

Last week people were saying RJ was untouchable in a Beale trade.

It's crazy how up and down we are on him.

Before this season, I said that Mitch was our only bona-fide NBA prospect. Meaning he was the only guy you could point to and say "that guy is going to be a starter on a playoff team".

RJ still has a long way to go to be a high-level NBA player. A good stretch here or there doesn't change that.

I'm not saying we have to trade him. But I agree with you that he shouldn't be untouchable. Right now Mitch and Quickly are the only 2 young players on this team that should be untouchable moving forward.

Also, RJ is a tough player to build around. Mitch and IQ fit with literally anyone. And they have 1 elite skill that translates to any situation. RJ has no elite skills. In fact, I don't know if RJ even has 1 star level skill for his position yet.

I'm not giving up, but RJ should definitely be at least available for the right deal.

Not saying that's definitely Lavine, but just saying he shouldn't be untouchable.

Like imagine if Washington called us tomorrow and said "hey, we'll take RJ, Knox, Frank, Dallas pick, and your pick next year for Beale".

I think we'd be stupid not to take that. None of those players are really any good right now, and the Dallas pick will probably be late lotto. Our pick next would be high too.

Imagine

Quick/Rose
Bullock/Burke
Beale/Burke
Randal/Obi
Mitch/Noel

That's a really solid on both ends.

RJ is definitely not a good enough prospect to be untouchable as much as I like him.

Beal isn't going to want to play in NY, he's going to want to go to a contender, and that team isn't beating the Sixers, Bucks, Celtics or Heat in a playoff series. Why does everyone want to hastily throw some mediocre team together that might win 45-48 games at best.

This year we are not beating them. But next season, older Quick and Mitch + another potential star, it's in the realm of possibility that we beat everyone but Nets if they build chemistry.

[GEOLINK]

Is RJ still key to bring Zion here in a couple of years though?

[duetta]

Yeah, his stats are good but he fails the eye test for me. I don't see him as a winning player.

Guys who put up big numbers on bad teams should be treated as suspects rather than saviors, at least until proven otherwise. You might trade something of value for a suspect but not the amount their statistics would suggest you give up.

For instance, if a guy puts up terrific offensive numbers but doesn't play much defense, his impact on your team winning games is always going to less than hoped.

Knicks have an opportunity to use their upcoming team status as a lure in free agency, certainly over the next 1-2 years. Why give up both cap space and a truckload of futures to bypass that opportunity?

[dakomish23]

Need a real starting PG to unlock RJ now.

Lowry

[dakomish23]

zach lavine is a loser that chucks and ducks on a losing team.

f no.

His TS% is pretty high

Yeah, his stats are good but he fails the eye test for me. I don't see him as a winning player.

All depends how you use him. If you’re just handing him the keys to the entire team, yeah, I don’t think you’ll win many games. But if you use him as your nuclear 6th man, I could see him as a good piece on a contender

[dakomish23]

The Halal cart on 53rd and 6th ave > IQ > RJ > Obi > Knox > Iggy > Frank

[/fixed]

Fixed again

22 years ago I had it for the first time. Still the best IMO. Just the wait that kills it

[dakomish23]

can we stop overreacting w/ RJ? a week ago, he had consistently been putting up great #'s. he's in a slump now, it happens, he's 20

It’s just the same ppl all over the place.

He’s a bust! He’s a stud! Trade him! Build around him!

We’re not even halfway into his 2nd season

[Knick4Real]

ps- everyone that @ me about mitch in the last thread.

trade the dude. he hasnt developed and he's a bird brain.

I seriously believe Mitch may be on the Autism spectrum.

[HighRyzer83]

Last time Houston was beaten this badly, Bobby Brown had to go to jail.

[Knick4Real]

can we stop overreacting w/ RJ? a week ago, he had consistently been putting up great #'s. he's in a slump now, it happens, he's 20

It’s just the same ppl all over the place.

He’s a bust! He’s a stud! Trade him! Build around him!

We’re not even halfway into his 2nd season

LOL good point!

Sometimes, fans are about as good at being a GM as Steve Mills.