Should the Knicks pursue Dame Lillard/superstars or keep the youth?

[god shammgod]

Point forwards and ball dominant point guards generally don't mix well, especially when both are very high usage players ...in Randle's case there is the worry that having him play off ball more will lower his effectiveness.

I tend to believe that any upgrade at the 1 should have an emphasis on defense and/or off ball shooting, like Bucks have done with Giannis and Jrue Holiday or how teams have historically built around Lebron with 3 & D point guards.

if the bucks had dame instead of jrue, people would consider them a legit threat to win it all. talent is more important than fit.

the Blazers have finished 28th and 29th on defense the past 2 seasons ...I find it hard to believe the Bucks would be serious contenders with Lillard.

only 3 times in the last 45 years has a team without a top 10 defense won a title .

the Bucks are ranked 10th with Holiday.

and they were 3rd last year without him. they need a closer.

[MadGrinch]

if the bucks had dame instead of jrue, people would consider them a legit threat to win it all. talent is more important than fit.

the Blazers have finished 28th and 29th on defense the past 2 seasons ...I find it hard to believe the Bucks would be serious contenders with Lillard.

only 3 times in the last 45 years has a team without a top 10 defense won a title .

the Bucks are ranked 10th with Holiday.

and they were 3rd last year without him. they need a closer.

closers only matter , if you can get stops.

which is why the Blazers are where the are .

[god shammgod]

the Blazers have finished 28th and 29th on defense the past 2 seasons ...I find it hard to believe the Bucks would be serious contenders with Lillard.

only 3 times in the last 45 years has a team without a top 10 defense won a title .

the Bucks are ranked 10th with Holiday.

and they were 3rd last year without him. they need a closer.

closers only matter , if you can get stops.

which is why the Blazers are where the are .

you can have 1 guy who's not great at d on a team and still be very good at d. can steph or kyrie play d ? the idea that you give the bucks dame instead of jrue and they're worse is crazy. i'm sorry, it is.

[3toheadmelo]

you keep rj and you have a high chance of getting zion in a few years.

im surprised you want Zion considering he plays zero defense and has been a loser so far. you hate those players.

randle changed my ways

props to you sir

it’s why I want the Knicks to go after Sexton or Lavine. same way I wanted the Knicks to after Randle since his Lakers days. these guys just need to be around a winning culture and watch them blossom.

[DOT]

and they were 3rd last year without him. they need a closer.

closers only matter , if you can get stops.

which is why the Blazers are where the are .

you can have 1 guy who's not great at d on a team and still be very good at d. can steph or kyrie play d ? the idea that you give the bucks dame instead of jrue and they're worse is crazy. i'm sorry, it is.

No doubt the Bucks get worse on defense, but anyone who wouldn't trade Jrue for Dame straight up is crazy

Even for a team like the Clippers or the Nuggets, where they already have closers and great offenses, I think they'd take Dame over Jrue every time.

[god shammgod]

closers only matter , if you can get stops.

which is why the Blazers are where the are .

you can have 1 guy who's not great at d on a team and still be very good at d. can steph or kyrie play d ? the idea that you give the bucks dame instead of jrue and they're worse is crazy. i'm sorry, it is.

No doubt the Bucks get worse on defense, but anyone who wouldn't trade Jrue for Dame straight up is crazy

Even for a team like the Clippers or the Nuggets, where they already have closers and great offenses, I think they'd take Dame over Jrue every time.

i don't even understand how i'm having this discussion

[MadGrinch]

and they were 3rd last year without him. they need a closer.

closers only matter , if you can get stops.

which is why the Blazers are where the are .

you can have 1 guy who's not great at d on a team and still be very good at d. can steph or kyrie play d ? the idea that you give the bucks dame instead of jrue and they're worse is crazy. i'm sorry, it is.

its not a video game , the more talented team loses all the time for a variety of reasons.

there is a simple saying that usually holds true in the NBA, the regular season is decided by a team's strengths and the post season is decided by their weaknesses.

and teams that can't get stops when they need them most , don't win.

Lillard is better than Jrue , but the difference isn't so vast , its not like if they added Dame they have a better offensive trio than KD, Harden and Kyrie...they would still need to be a better defensive team than them to beat them.

so no in the the end , he doesn't make them more likely to win.

[cgf]

What's going on with Mitchell is exactly why I'm not worried now about who could be available next summer. For all we know Mitchell, Booker & SGA will all be on new teams by the start of the 2022-2023 season.

[Sark]

What's going on with Mitchell is exactly why I'm not worried now about who could be available next summer. For all we know Mitchell, Booker & SGA will all be on new teams by the start of the 2022-2023 season.

Mitchell hasn't even played a single game under his new 5 year extension. The Jazz have absolutely zero reason to entertain calls on him for the next 3 years.

Booker still has 3 years to go on his deal, but the Suns just got the #2 seed in the West. Why would he want to leave?

SGA is still on his rookie deal next year. After 2022 season he hits restricted free agency, but lots of teams will offer him a max, and OKC will probably match.

All three of them are pipe dreams.

[cgf]

What's going on with Mitchell is exactly why I'm not worried now about who could be available next summer. For all we know Mitchell, Booker & SGA will all be on new teams by the start of the 2022-2023 season.

Mitchell hasn't even played a single game under his new 5 year extension. The Jazz have absolutely zero reason to entertain calls on him for the next 3 years.

Booker still has 3 years to go on his deal, but the Suns just got the #2 seed in the West. Why would he want to leave?

SGA is still on his rookie deal next year. After 2022 season he hits restricted free agency, but lots of teams will offer him a max, and OKC will probably match.

All three of them are pipe dreams.

this is the NBA, what's a pipedream is expecting nobody to want out over the next year & a half...it needn't be one of those three necessarily, though I'll be surprised if all 3 are on their current teams 2-3 years from now.

[Sark]

What's going on with Mitchell is exactly why I'm not worried now about who could be available next summer. For all we know Mitchell, Booker & SGA will all be on new teams by the start of the 2022-2023 season.

Mitchell hasn't even played a single game under his new 5 year extension. The Jazz have absolutely zero reason to entertain calls on him for the next 3 years.

Booker still has 3 years to go on his deal, but the Suns just got the #2 seed in the West. Why would he want to leave?

SGA is still on his rookie deal next year. After 2022 season he hits restricted free agency, but lots of teams will offer him a max, and OKC will probably match.

All three of them are pipe dreams.

this is the NBA, what's a pipedream is expecting nobody to want out over the next year & a half...it needn't be one of those three necessarily, though I'll be surprised if all 3 are on their current teams 2-3 years from now.

I never said that nobody will want out, but NBA players don't have that kind of sway until about their 8th year in the league. Their first 4 are under their rookie deal, then they get 5 year extensions if they're good.

Why do you think Anthony Davis spent 7 years with the Pelicans? You don't think he wanted out immediately? Or why did Demarcus Cousins spend 7 years in Sacramento? He hated that city from the day he was drafted.

And don't say anything about a qualifying offer, because in the history of the NBA, not a single player has ever turned down a max extension and signed a qualifying offer.


If you're ready to be realistic, then guys like Jimmy Butler or Damian Lillard could be on the radar. However Lillard will cost more than most of us want to pay.