Build a Franchise- Season 5 Discussion (Free Agency Edition)- Free Agency schedule on page 82

[mpharris36]

Yea, it seems like much more work and more complicated for all too. Everyone is just scared of hoffa.

If people are worried he can still operate in the shadows which if they are worried about that is more damaging then actually knowing who he is bidding on because I think if you know what offers he has out there if you are that worried he is just juicing up bids you can then stick it to him and let him win those guys he really doesn't want.

Imagine an agent walking into a teams office and the team saying we are interested in you. And the Agent says give me an offer. You send an offer and they just walk out of the door without letting you know what it actually takes to send a competitive offer. If that happens to 2-3 guys you just now have wasted 6-8 hours and could wind up with no one.

It priorities getting your guy. That's why I think contracts will rise for role players.

The priorities will always be the big names though unless you are shopping at the dollar store.

My concern was never for this offseason. This will be managed fine. When 75% or more of the league and all its stars become FA's next year that is when all hell will break loose.

But the bird rights adjustment to keep track of those guys does make a lot of sense and alleviate a lot of my concerns.

[2010]

For this free agent class it seems fine.

For a larger free agent class is where i think there could be some issues, unless we stagger. Seems like too much is happening all at once in a short period of time for both you and us...especially if we are operating blind.

I hear what you're saying and again don't disagree. We could absolutely open up the windows a bit more to drag things out if that works for people. Make the bidding windows 2 hours? My only concern is that as it is this will basically take a couple of days. I planned on the 23rd because I have that Sunday and Monday off from work so I could devote a couple of days consecutively to the craziness that is FA. If we go beyond that and I go back to work then things really get screwed up when I can't be at the computer for 18 straight hours.

If the one hour windows are not enough though, we could discuss elongating the entire FA process including how long players will be on the clock. I'm definitely ok with adjusting that if there is a majority of people who think that the one hour window is not enough.

As for mph's main concern regarding not being able to pivot on players without inquiries...I would be open to allowing a team to inquiry about one player that they are not currently bidding on per PM starting at 10AM if that helps. Just need to keep the number of PM's I receive and send down so adding a player of interest to each PM starting two bidding blocks before a player can sign should help in that regard for teams who have to make difficult decisions on multiple players.

2 hour bidding is probably unnecessary. It should probably be mostly up to you and how you can handle the bids the best. I am thinking that is still a lot of work but you def know best. Will this same processs be consistent throughout free agency or just the first day or 2?

But just looking ahead to next year, could def see a lot of bids extending to multiple days so seems like a lot going on. I thought the original bidding system worked really well where you released a certain amount of players at a time and solves a lot of issues.

Releasing players in waves is extremely flawed. Don't want to see a return to that either. What if a player I covet is in one of the final waves? If I got outbid for the player, I may have no one left to pivot to. Why should a GM be penalized for which wave the player he covets is released in? That is something that is a pretty terrible solution.

I do not wish to see a return of free agents in waves/stages; nor do I wish to see a return to player inquiries on guys you do not hold bird rights on.

Those scenarios are big no-go's for me. Dogs are tryna be thrown bones.

[NewEra]

I’m also in agreement with letting teams with Bird Right cats know what the deal is.

Spoiler:

[Deeeez Knicks]

I hear what you're saying and again don't disagree. We could absolutely open up the windows a bit more to drag things out if that works for people. Make the bidding windows 2 hours? My only concern is that as it is this will basically take a couple of days. I planned on the 23rd because I have that Sunday and Monday off from work so I could devote a couple of days consecutively to the craziness that is FA. If we go beyond that and I go back to work then things really get screwed up when I can't be at the computer for 18 straight hours.

If the one hour windows are not enough though, we could discuss elongating the entire FA process including how long players will be on the clock. I'm definitely ok with adjusting that if there is a majority of people who think that the one hour window is not enough.

As for mph's main concern regarding not being able to pivot on players without inquiries...I would be open to allowing a team to inquiry about one player that they are not currently bidding on per PM starting at 10AM if that helps. Just need to keep the number of PM's I receive and send down so adding a player of interest to each PM starting two bidding blocks before a player can sign should help in that regard for teams who have to make difficult decisions on multiple players.

2 hour bidding is probably unnecessary. It should probably be mostly up to you and how you can handle the bids the best. I am thinking that is still a lot of work but you def know best. Will this same processs be consistent throughout free agency or just the first day or 2?

But just looking ahead to next year, could def see a lot of bids extending to multiple days so seems like a lot going on. I thought the original bidding system worked really well where you released a certain amount of players at a time and solves a lot of issues.

Releasing players in waves is extremely flawed. Don't want to see a return to that either. What if a player I covet is in one of the final waves. If I got outbid for the player, I may have no one left to pivot to. Why should a GM be penalized for which wave the player he covets is released in. That is something that is a pretty terrible solution.

I do not wish to see a return of free agents in waves/stages; nor do I wish to see a return to player inquiries on guys you do not hold bird rights on.

Those scenarios are big no-go's for me. Dogs are tryna be thrown bones.

Your just as likely to lose your secondary targets under this system if not more.

If you release players based on star ratings it will also help. Your backup plan is most likely not going to be a 4 star player if your primary target is a 2 star players

[3toheadmelo]

Thinking about going with a brand new core next year. Imagine winning championships with two different cores. My legacy as a GM would be unmatched!

[2010]

2 hour bidding is probably unnecessary. It should probably be mostly up to you and how you can handle the bids the best. I am thinking that is still a lot of work but you def know best. Will this same processs be consistent throughout free agency or just the first day or 2?

But just looking ahead to next year, could def see a lot of bids extending to multiple days so seems like a lot going on. I thought the original bidding system worked really well where you released a certain amount of players at a time and solves a lot of issues.

Releasing players in waves is extremely flawed. Don't want to see a return to that either. What if a player I covet is in one of the final waves. If I got outbid for the player, I may have no one left to pivot to. Why should a GM be penalized for which wave the player he covets is released in. That is something that is a pretty terrible solution.

I do not wish to see a return of free agents in waves/stages; nor do I wish to see a return to player inquiries on guys you do not hold bird rights on.

Those scenarios are big no-go's for me. Dogs are tryna be thrown bones.

Your just as likely to lose your secondary targets under this system if not more.

Not if you own their bird rights.

If you release players based on star ratings it will also help. Your backup plan is most likely not going to be a 4 star player.

IRL FAs aren't released in batches based on player rating/tiers. I don't see the point in going back to that. If you're proposing this to ease bish's workload then cutting out inquiries is the biggest help. That or public spreadsheet. Anything else is operating like the western healthcare system. Lets "treat" one issue while potentially causing 25 others (conveniently curing nothing).

[NewEra]

Thinking about going with a brand new core next year. Imagine winning championships with two different cores. My legacy as a GM would be unmatched!

No need to imagine. I’ll do it, then you can follow my lead

[mpharris36]

Thinking about going with a brand new core next year. Imagine winning championships with two different cores. My legacy as a GM would be unmatched!

[E-Balla]

If people are worried he can still operate in the shadows which if they are worried about that is more damaging then actually knowing who he is bidding on because I think if you know what offers he has out there if you are that worried he is just juicing up bids you can then stick it to him and let him win those guys he really doesn't want.

Imagine an agent walking into a teams office and the team saying we are interested in you. And the Agent says give me an offer. You send an offer and they just walk out of the door without letting you know what it actually takes to send a competitive offer. If that happens to 2-3 guys you just now have wasted 6-8 hours and could wind up with no one.

It priorities getting your guy. That's why I think contracts will rise for role players.

The priorities will always be the big names though unless you are shopping at the dollar store.

My concern was never for this offseason. This will be managed fine. When 75% or more of the league and all its stars become FA's next year that is when all hell will break loose.

But the bird rights adjustment to keep track of those guys does make a lot of sense and alleviate a lot of my concerns.

I mean. It depends on what you think will happen. I don't think people will start with their max bids, but if they do and it scares off other teams I think they should be awarded for it. I prefer the spreadsheet, but I don't think this way is worse and I think it promotes giving what you think a player is worth to begin with. If you start off with a good faith offer you might scare others off and you should be rewarded for that instead of having a system where Curry could start at $300/4.

[E-Balla]

Thinking about going with a brand new core next year. Imagine winning championships with two different cores. My legacy as a GM would be unmatched!

Unfortunately for you I'm here now Brodie. Still testing the engine but trust I'll have a full rebuild plan by free agency time.

This year it's time to see what types of players the sim engine likes and doesn't like.

[Capn'O]

Thinking about going with a brand new core next year. Imagine winning championships with two different cores. My legacy as a GM would be unmatched!

All of the unsigned Josh Jacksons and Dennis Smith Jrs of the world approve of your new direction.

[3toheadmelo]

Potential Cavs 2022-2023

[3toheadmelo]

[3toheadmelo]

Thinking about going with a brand new core next year. Imagine winning championships with two different cores. My legacy as a GM would be unmatched!

Unfortunately for you I'm here now Brodie. Still testing the engine but trust I'll have a full rebuild plan by free agency time.

This year it's time to see what types of players the sim engine likes and doesn't like.

The only plan there is is to try and stop the Cavs from winning multiple championships

[mpharris36]

Read on Twitter

where is BAFletic with the tampering charges!!!!

[Deeeez Knicks]

Releasing players in waves is extremely flawed. Don't want to see a return to that either. What if a player I covet is in one of the final waves. If I got outbid for the player, I may have no one left to pivot to. Why should a GM be penalized for which wave the player he covets is released in. That is something that is a pretty terrible solution.

I do not wish to see a return of free agents in waves/stages; nor do I wish to see a return to player inquiries on guys you do not hold bird rights on.

Those scenarios are big no-go's for me. Dogs are tryna be thrown bones.

Your just as likely to lose your secondary targets under this system if not more.

Not if you own their bird rights.

If you release players based on star ratings it will also help. Your backup plan is most likely not going to be a 4 star player.

IRL FAs aren't released in batches based on player rating/tiers. I don't see the point in going back to that. If you're proposing this to ease bish's workload then cutting out inquiries is the biggest help. That or public spreadsheet. Anything else is operating like the western healthcare system. Lets "treat" one issue while potentially causing 25 others (conveniently curing nothing).

In real life teams know exactly how much a player wants and what teams are bidding also. There are also no clocks and multiple agents.

Here we have 1 guy handling all the bids with clocks. It's just a lot to handle if we release everyone at one within a time frame. If bids last more then 2 days we are really asking a lot from bish to handle everything at once and respond within an hour window. It should work fine here but not sure how that'll work in a bigger free agent class

As far as bird rights, i thought we were putting in a rule where you can sign them retroactively? Otherwise the same could happen where maybe a bird rights player gets signed at a time that doesn't work. Itll be random.

[El Poochio]

Thinking about going with a brand new core next year. Imagine winning championships with two different cores. My legacy as a GM would be unmatched!

Must be super boring to have the same team for 3 years

[Buzzard]

Scared is a very strong word. Considering nobody has a bigger issue with the weirdo than me, Ima give you time to clarify before I get in my bag.

I know you have legit issues. But what reason would people be against a spreadsheet or something like that?

This system is just much more restrictive, which I dont think is good. Out of all the options just feels like this is the worst one. Your basically screwed if you can't get your bids in during these certain windows

I'm not disagreeing with you. This was definitely not my first choice but the timing is really no different then past years. Actually opens things up a bit. If you can't be online from 6-7, you can still bid on players at 8, 10 and 12 before the earliest they will sign with anyone. If you can't be online at all in the AM then nothing really is different then the old system where players could conceivably have signed starting at 12PM. This hopefully opens things up for people as far as timing and placing bids goes.

So if I don't bid in the first window(s), I can still get a bid in on the later ones.

And the only official list will be in the stickied thread with free agent list. And it will say a bid has been placed for a player if it is so ( not amount or team ).

[3toheadmelo]

Thinking about going with a brand new core next year. Imagine winning championships with two different cores. My legacy as a GM would be unmatched!

Must be super boring to have the same team for 3 years

It’s actually pretty fun watching ur core grow from rookies to winning a championship

[2010]

Your just as likely to lose your secondary targets under this system if not more.

Not if you own their bird rights.

If you release players based on star ratings it will also help. Your backup plan is most likely not going to be a 4 star player.

IRL FAs aren't released in batches based on player rating/tiers. I don't see the point in going back to that. If you're proposing this to ease bish's workload then cutting out inquiries is the biggest help. That or public spreadsheet. Anything else is operating like the western healthcare system. Lets "treat" one issue while potentially causing 25 others (conveniently curing nothing).

In real life teams know exactly how much a player wants and what teams are bidding also. There are also no clocks and multiple agents.

Here we have 1 guy handling all the bids with clocks. It's just a lot to handle if we release everyone at one within a time frame. If bids last more then 2 days we are really asking a lot from bish to handle everything at once and respond within an hour window. It should work fine here but not sure how that'll work in a bigger free agent class

While true, consider that in this new system where teams are rewarded for being proactive and putting out credible bid offers, I do not think bids will be lasting several days. GMs will know when they don't hear back from the commish that they need to up their offer or move on. If they submit an offer twice and don't hear back, that'd be a telling sign they can't compete in the ballpark where they are financially able or comfortable. GMs should gain clarity pretty quickly imo.

As far as bird rights, i thought we were putting in a rule where you can sign them retroactively? Otherwise the same could happen where maybe a bird rights player gets signed at a time that doesn't work. Itll be random.

I'm all for bird rights players being re-signed retroactively in-line with IRL. But if a GM is striking out elsewhere, or doesn't have any footing in bids with non-bird players, then the retroactive aspect becomes irrelevant. I think it only holds bearing where you win your bird rights bids, then follow up relatively soon with subsequent signings. You then can have bish processs/announce your subsequent non-bird signings first, without cap implications and then have your bird re-sigings last.