GT: Pacers Vs Knicks 10/5/21 7:30 PM

[Deeeez Knicks]

Yeah and I'm arguing for Obi and I thought he was overrated in the draft.

I didn't really want to draft Obi either, but he could at least be a solid backup. He looked awful in the beginning of the season, but looked much better by the end. Could tell it took him some time to adjust and find his place a little better. Gave us some good minutes in the playoffs. Hopefully he can build on that....although you never know

[Fat]

I hope Grimes and Duece get some run.. Sims too

I can’t see Thibs running the vets more than 24 minutes, can you?

Yes

[DOT]

Yeah and I'm arguing for Obi and I thought he was overrated in the draft.

I didn't really want to draft Obi either, but he could at least be a solid backup. He looked awful in the beginning of the season, but looked much better by the end. Could tell it took him some time to adjust and find his place a little better. Gave us some good minutes in the playoffs. Hopefully he can build on that....although you never know

It is encouraging that he improved as the season went on. I'd rather have that than the inverse

But I just don't see much for him long term with us cause he can't play with Randle and he has zero positional versatility, so even if he's a solid backup, he's not gonna get many minutes to be solid in

It's kind of a good problem to have, but at the same time, it's kind of a waste of resources.

[thebuzzardman]

Yeah and I'm arguing for Obi and I thought he was overrated in the draft.

I didn't really want to draft Obi either, but he could at least be a solid backup. He looked awful in the beginning of the season, but looked much better by the end. Could tell it took him some time to adjust and find his place a little better. Gave us some good minutes in the playoffs. Hopefully he can build on that....although you never know

It is encouraging that he improved as the season went on. I'd rather have that than the inverse

But I just don't see much for him long term with us cause he can't play with Randle and he has zero positional versatility, so even if he's a solid backup, he's not gonna get many minutes to be solid in

It's kind of a good problem to have, but at the same time, it's kind of a waste of resources.

What's the best utilization of the Knick resources? I'd say dumping Taj and Obi and replacing them with two tweener SF/PF types with good height/some shot blocking, at least one of them can shoot. Is that the answer?

[god shammgod]

I didn't really want to draft Obi either, but he could at least be a solid backup. He looked awful in the beginning of the season, but looked much better by the end. Could tell it took him some time to adjust and find his place a little better. Gave us some good minutes in the playoffs. Hopefully he can build on that....although you never know

It is encouraging that he improved as the season went on. I'd rather have that than the inverse

But I just don't see much for him long term with us cause he can't play with Randle and he has zero positional versatility, so even if he's a solid backup, he's not gonna get many minutes to be solid in

It's kind of a good problem to have, but at the same time, it's kind of a waste of resources.

What's the best utilization of the Knick resources? I'd say dumping Taj and Obi and replacing them with two tweener SF/PF types with good height/some shot blocking, at least one of them can shoot. Is that the answer?

waiting for an actual player to build around and giving the other team what they want for him but not everything.

[robillionaire]

I'm feeling very argumentative, this can only mean the season is about to start tonight

Didn’t you really like Obi in the draft? Now you are arguining he’s worse then Frank and Knox which is pretty harsh

I didn’t say he’s worse than Frank and Knox, but I’m disputing the notion that he’s done or shown anything more than them so far when I don’t see that he has, and he’s older than both. The only example being given is “eye test” which is wildly subjective

I was ok with the Obi pick at 8 because with such a weak draft there weren’t too many other good players available at 8 anyway (you could say Haliburton I guess but I think he’s overrated too) but the only player in the draft I really liked was LaMelo and I begged the Knicks to trade up for him

I’m not saying my eye test is always right either

[Clyde_Style]

As deer-in-the-headlights as Obi was (especially early in the season) he's already done and shown more than either Frank or Knox has so agreed.

based on what metric, his career high is like 12 points and he sucks on defense and shot 30% from 3 at an older age than frank and knox who both shot over 40% 3 last year and had higher scoring games despite falling completely out of favor with the organization and rarely playing

I hope like hell he will end up better than those guys but I don't see how he's already done or shown more. Knox was a rookie of the month once and scored 31 points. He even had a 19 point game under Thibs who doesn't like him. Hell even Frank dropped a couple 13 piece bucket meals lol

This is the Lance F*ckin Toppin school of thought.

Which is either a sardonic put down of Obi's game or the latest Boys Gone Wild porno.

That reminds me. Any idea on where I can find fair trade tittie tassels?

Asking for a friend

[robillionaire]

Yes. If someone can’t see that Obi will have an NBA career then they’re just relying on stats to the detriment of the eye test which clearly showed improvements in his game at the end of the regular season and in the playoffs where he was NOT a deer caught in the headlights. IOW, Obi wants the spotlight, but he had to make adjustments to his game

with all due respect I am using my eye test metric and in that metric he was terrible last year and you guys are hyperfocusing on one playoff game where he had a couple good plays while ignoring the parade of blunders and glaring weaknesses he showed all season. Even his summer league wasn't that impressive to me as he was bodying a bunch of non-nba players and still shooting below average from 3 on terrible shot selection

I'm really hoping all his hard work in the summer pays off as Thibs said he and IQ worked on their game big time, but I'm staying grounded on this one until he consistently proves something in actual games

That’s fine. My eye test differs from yours, but I do not think you can really assess Obi on his stats at this point. I respect the caution. I’ll go out on a limb and say he will have an NBA career beyond his rookie contract. It’s fine to wait and see though. History is on your side actually

I think that’s a layup prediction honestly. Even Frank is still in the NBA beyond his rookie contract. Not the most impressive feat. Maybe if he’s re-signed by the Knicks beyond his rookie contract and beyond a league minimum deal that would be something

[robillionaire]

I'm feeling very argumentative, this can only mean the season is about to start tonight

So about that skinny assed flipper handed Nerlens Noel...

Please direct all Noel questions to the Knicks brain trust who gave him 3 years 30 mil when y’all kept insisting he was gone after last season so it was a total waste of time to even play him. Now he’s a core piece of the future. You know who is expiring now though right?

[robillionaire]

I actually voted “no” on the “is Obi a bust thread” but I do think some skepticism is warranted. I’m rooting for him though, he’s a likable personality.

I’m in line at the DMV, sorry folks

[Deeeez Knicks]

I didn't really want to draft Obi either, but he could at least be a solid backup. He looked awful in the beginning of the season, but looked much better by the end. Could tell it took him some time to adjust and find his place a little better. Gave us some good minutes in the playoffs. Hopefully he can build on that....although you never know

It is encouraging that he improved as the season went on. I'd rather have that than the inverse

But I just don't see much for him long term with us cause he can't play with Randle and he has zero positional versatility, so even if he's a solid backup, he's not gonna get many minutes to be solid in

It's kind of a good problem to have, but at the same time, it's kind of a waste of resources.

What's the best utilization of the Knick resources? I'd say dumping Taj and Obi and replacing them with two tweener SF/PF types with good height/some shot blocking, at least one of them can shoot. Is that the answer?

I think the best utilization for Obi is that we play him and he plays well. Then he either helps us directly or he becomes a nice trade piece. Another year and having better PG play should help him. He did look better with Rose. And we could use a backup F so there is a place for him. There's some reasons for hope...although nobody really knows if he will improve.

I don't really know if he's a long term piece or even fits but not sure a Taj/Obi trade package will get us much anyway right now.

[robillionaire]

It is encouraging that he improved as the season went on. I'd rather have that than the inverse

But I just don't see much for him long term with us cause he can't play with Randle and he has zero positional versatility, so even if he's a solid backup, he's not gonna get many minutes to be solid in

It's kind of a good problem to have, but at the same time, it's kind of a waste of resources.

What's the best utilization of the Knick resources? I'd say dumping Taj and Obi and replacing them with two tweener SF/PF types with good height/some shot blocking, at least one of them can shoot. Is that the answer?

I think the best utilization for Obi is that we play him and he plays well. Then he either helps us directly or he becomes a nice trade piece. Another year and having better PG play should help him. He did look better with Rose. And we could use a backup F so there is a place for him.

I don't really know if he's a long term piece or even fits but not sure a Taj/Obi trade package will get us much anyway right now.

I think we gotta try to bulk him up and make him a 5 somehow

[Deeeez Knicks]

What's the best utilization of the Knick resources? I'd say dumping Taj and Obi and replacing them with two tweener SF/PF types with good height/some shot blocking, at least one of them can shoot. Is that the answer?

I think the best utilization for Obi is that we play him and he plays well. Then he either helps us directly or he becomes a nice trade piece. Another year and having better PG play should help him. He did look better with Rose. And we could use a backup F so there is a place for him.

I don't really know if he's a long term piece or even fits but not sure a Taj/Obi trade package will get us much anyway right now.

I think we gotta try to bulk him up and make him a 5 somehow

I would def want to see that too. He seems best as a 5 on offense. I do want to see him play more minutes next to Randle and see how that looks. I know the defense wont be good but maybe the offense will more then make up for it.

[NewEra]

It is encouraging that he improved as the season went on. I'd rather have that than the inverse

But I just don't see much for him long term with us cause he can't play with Randle and he has zero positional versatility, so even if he's a solid backup, he's not gonna get many minutes to be solid in

It's kind of a good problem to have, but at the same time, it's kind of a waste of resources.

What's the best utilization of the Knick resources? I'd say dumping Taj and Obi and replacing them with two tweener SF/PF types with good height/some shot blocking, at least one of them can shoot. Is that the answer?

I think the best utilization for Obi is that we play him and he plays well. Then he either helps us directly or he becomes a nice trade piece. Another year and having better PG play should help him. He did look better with Rose. And we could use a backup F so there is a place for him. There's some reasons for hope...although nobody really knows if he will improve.

I don't really know if he's a long term piece or even fits but not sure a Taj/Obi trade package will get us much anyway right now.

I’m not the biggest Obi fan, but im rooting for him to be great. A big reason Amare was successful was because of Nash. The importance of having a capable facilitator who can maximize Obi’s skill set is key!

[cgf]

We just don't know yet if Obi will be able to play with Julius when he hits his prime. He has a similar frame to Taj with leaping ability that Taj has never even dreamed of, so it should not be physically impossible for him to someday become a Taj like smallball5...which would mean that it's all up to him learning to defend better & filling out, over the coming years.

Not saying it's guaranteed, or even likely, just that it is possible. And if it does happen, then you've got yourself a nice 3 big rotation with Julius, Obi, & Mitch.

[Deeeez Knicks]

What's the best utilization of the Knick resources? I'd say dumping Taj and Obi and replacing them with two tweener SF/PF types with good height/some shot blocking, at least one of them can shoot. Is that the answer?

I think the best utilization for Obi is that we play him and he plays well. Then he either helps us directly or he becomes a nice trade piece. Another year and having better PG play should help him. He did look better with Rose. And we could use a backup F so there is a place for him. There's some reasons for hope...although nobody really knows if he will improve.

I don't really know if he's a long term piece or even fits but not sure a Taj/Obi trade package will get us much anyway right now.

I’m not the biggest Obi fan, but im rooting for him to be great. A big reason Amare was successful was because of Nash. The importance having a capable facilitator who can maximize Obi’s skill set is key!

Yea, a big man like Obi really needs a good PG. He is a great finisher so needs someone to feed him the ball in the right spots.
He looked much better next to Rose. Hopefully a full training camp/season will help. I am excited to see Kemba work next to Obi too. Garden will be rocking after some Kemba to Obi lobs.

[god shammgod]

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[NYKat]

Count me in the “Obi is gonna breakout eventually” camp… I think our developmental program, coupled with the reports of his work ethic this summer suggest that we’ll max out on his potential.

[3toheadmelo]

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