PG: The Post-Moo Era Begins. Bulls are Better

[Adelheid]

It’s very disconcerting that injuries are part of the Plan ? Part of the evaluation process ? That was a knock against thibs before and the #1 reason you wouldn’t want him .

Stars to suffer career threatening injuries under thibs :
1. Rose
2. Butler
3. LaVine

NY is the twilight zone where his scheme isn’t grueling etc . Where hard D isn’t a chore , it’s s necessity . The schematic stuff don’t scare me but its this seemingly reliance on potential injury that makes me think that this isn’t right .

D-Rose looks like he wont be able to handle 24+ minutes every game. Same with Kemba
This is sheer manslaughter

[HerSports85]

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Thank you Tommy Dee! This is why I put the blame right on Thibs. Even when Randle is efficient, the offense still suffers.

Teams caught on to us in the playoffs, and our game plan has not changed.

[snadler]

3rd quarter the starters played probably their best stretch of the season, and the main reason for it was allowing Kemba to be a play maker by running pick and roll with Randle especially, for some reason Kemba never returned in the 4th and neither did the pick and roll

[HerSports85]

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[Deeeez Knicks]

3rd quarter the starters played probably their best stretch of the season, and the main reason for it was allowing Kemba to be a play maker by running pick and roll with Randle especially, for some reason Kemba never returned in the 4th and neither did the pick and roll

That was def one of the starters best stretches. Letting Kemba work in the pnr's really opened things up and the ball moved well (at least much better then earlier). Even the defense played better

It turned into a lot of iso's/post ups and holding the ball too long to close out the game at the end

[nedleeds]

Trade Randle asap

For? (Realistically)

See what’s out there

If we can get a vucevic type return take in and run

Name 3 non tanking teams that want a PF willing to eat 4.5 years at near max?

At this point matching expiring and a good first would be a dream for Randle.

[TerrenceClarke]

[moocow007]

Where’s Moocow?

Womp. Sorry folks. Not like if I started this GT the Knicks would have won. Or would it?

[moocow007]

3rd quarter the starters played probably their best stretch of the season, and the main reason for it was allowing Kemba to be a play maker by running pick and roll with Randle especially, for some reason Kemba never returned in the 4th and neither did the pick and roll

My guess is that since Julius Randle runs the team (like Carmelo Anthony did before him), he told Thibs to not bring Kemba back in cause he didn't want to look as good as he did when Kemba was in and zipping passes to him for easy power slams. Randle would much rather try to do things the hard way. That idiot.

[DaGawd]

Only 7 pages… numbers down on knicks podcasts on YouTube. Knicks Twitter in shambles.

People are not enjoying this team. They're not fun to watch. Well this is the case for me. I’ve been letting go more and more with each game.

Definitely the case for me. Last season I feinding to clear my schedule to watch the Knicks.. this season its not remotely the same feeling. I’m content with missing whole games and just catching the score afterward

[TKKnicks1]

Trading Randle for Simmons would solve majority of our offensive problems. Ball would move quicker leading to easier in rhythm shots for RJ, Fournier and others. Bonus is that Simmons himself is a great orchestrator. No more Randle posting up for 20 seconds of the shot clock, jumping around the court passing aimlessly and setting half ass screens which lead no where.

Randle is fake news like Westbrook, numbers extremely deceiving. They don't make anyone better on the team but themselves.

[moocow007]

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Yeah...but he's also driving more. And there are a lot of guys in the NBA with lack of burst that do just fine driving to the basket. Here's 2 of them...





Yes these 2 of 2 of the best players in the NBA but the point is...

What hurts Barrett (and really the rest of the Knicks)...even further...is that their offense doesn't really produce a whole lot of easy drives to the basket. Barrett is pretty much almost always driving to the basket when the opposing defense (including and especially opposing big men) is set vs. driving to the basket early in the clock with the opposing defense is vulnerable (like the other 2 guys...and many many many others...do).

Before anyone else start...this isn't a Julius Randle thing...this is a team offensive system thing that may or may not be due to (or agitated by) their (STILL) lack of anyone that can actually consistently push the ball up and attack the basket.

[moocow007]

Trading Randle for Simmons would solve majority of our offensive problems. Ball would move quicker and Simmons is a great orchestrator. No more Randle posting up for 20 seconds of the shot clock, jumping around the court passing aimlessly and setting half ass screens which lead no where.

Randle is fake news like Westbrook. Their numbers are deceiving. They don't make anyone better on the team but themselves.

You do know that all the ball movement in the world won't mean diddly if you don't have someone that actually has high end scoring ability right? Please don't say RJ Barrett and IQ. How would adding a guy that cannot shoot AT ALL and who wilts under pressure offensively when in the spotlight or criticized solve our offensive problems (or any problems)? Adding Ben Simmons would make this team better if he also brings a Damian Lillard with him. But then again, if you add a player like Damian Lillard to this team then guys like Randle wouldn't have to try to be Lebron James and...this team would be better. And no, the point isn't about fantasizing about a trade that's not likely to happen, it's to point out that it's not as simple as you are making it out to be to "solve (the) majority of our offensive problems."

The Knicks problems this season is the same problem they had last season. They lack anyone that can actually be justified to take the ball out of Randle's hands and carry the offense on a consistent basis night in and night out. Ben Simmons is not a no.1 or no.2 option (and not even a no.3 option) on top teams (as he showed in the playoffs). The Knicks need that alternative no.1 option (or at least a 1a or 1b so Randle doesn't have to do what he's doing). Kemba Walker was supposed to be that guy. He hasn't been so far and may never been cause he may very well be shot.

[moocow007]

It’s very disconcerting that injuries are part of the Plan ? Part of the evaluation process ? That was a knock against thibs before and the #1 reason you wouldn’t want him .

Stars to suffer career threatening injuries under thibs :
1. Rose
2. Butler
3. LaVine

NY is the twilight zone where his scheme isn’t grueling etc . Where hard D isn’t a chore , it’s s necessity . The schematic stuff don’t scare me but its this seemingly reliance on potential injury that makes me think that this isn’t right .

D-Rose looks like he wont be able to handle 24+ minutes every game. Same with Kemba
This is sheer manslaughter

I said during last nights NBNF podcast that I take whatever Rose can give as a plus at this point in his career and do not have any significant expectations on him. You can't. It's pretty clear that he cannot at provide the type of consistent major minute impact that this team needs. And it's no fault of his and I still consider him my 2nd most favorite player on the team.

Walker? He looked great for that brief stretch in the 3rd quarter before he got pulled and never came back in. I forgot that it was a back-to-back which he normally doesn't play. So maybe that was a factor. But in any case yeah it's a problem cause it doesn't look like Walker is in any better shape that Rose when it comes to being able to depend on for consistent play.

[Clyde_Style]

Where’s Moocow?

Womp. Sorry folks. Not like if I started this GT the Knicks would have won. Or would it?

This will remain a never-ending mystery for the rest of our lives

[DaGawd]

Trading Randle for Simmons would solve majority of our offensive problems. Ball would move quicker and Simmons is a great orchestrator. No more Randle posting up for 20 seconds of the shot clock, jumping around the court passing aimlessly and setting half ass screens which lead no where.

Randle is fake news like Westbrook. Their numbers are deceiving. They don't make anyone better on the team but themselves.

You do know that all the ball movement in the world won't mean diddly if you don't have someone that actually has high end scoring ability right? Please don't say RJ Barrett and IQ. How would adding a guy that cannot shoot AT ALL and who wilts under pressure offensively when in the spotlight or criticized solve our offensive problems (or any problems)? Adding Ben Simmons would make this team better if he also brings a Damian Lillard with him. But then again, if you add a player like Damian Lillard to this team then guys like Randle wouldn't have to try to be Lebron James and...this team would be better. And no, the point isn't about fantasizing about a trade that's not likely to happen, it's to point out that it's not as simple as you are making it out to be to "solve (the) majority of our offensive problems."

The Knicks problems this season is the same problem they had last season. They lack anyone that can actually be justified to take the ball out of Randle's hands and carry the offense on a consistent basis night in and night out. Ben Simmons is not a no.1 or no.2 option (and not even a no.3 option) on top teams (as he showed in the playoffs). The Knicks need that alternative no.1 option (or at least a 1a or 1b so Randle doesn't have to do what he's doing). Kemba Walker was supposed to be that guy. He hasn't been so far and may never been cause he may very well be shot.

This.. people so caught up on ball movement.. What our real issue is is that we need good basketball players… shot makers.. we got a bunch of brick layers.. Barrett the main one. You can get Simmons here and it wouldn’t make us any better. We’d actually get a lot worst without the explosive offense Randle can provide

[moocow007]

Where’s Moocow?

Womp. Sorry folks. Not like if I started this GT the Knicks would have won. Or would it?

This will remain a never-ending mystery for the rest of our lives

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Maybe this is controversial, but I don't think Kemba has been that bad overall. He is not the same Kemba and the overall chemistry has been off. Fournier, RJ and Randle all struggling seem to be much worse. Hard to blame Kemba for that when they look just as bad even when Kemba is on the bench.

Defense is an issue, but playing next to Fournier just makes it much worse

[Clyde_Style]

I am grateful I did not purchase a League Pass

[3toheadmelo]

Trading Randle for Simmons would solve majority of our offensive problems. Ball would move quicker and Simmons is a great orchestrator. No more Randle posting up for 20 seconds of the shot clock, jumping around the court passing aimlessly and setting half ass screens which lead no where.

Randle is fake news like Westbrook. Their numbers are deceiving. They don't make anyone better on the team but themselves.

You do know that all the ball movement in the world won't mean diddly if you don't have someone that actually has high end scoring ability right? Please don't say RJ Barrett and IQ. How would adding a guy that cannot shoot AT ALL and who wilts under pressure offensively when in the spotlight or criticized solve our offensive problems (or any problems)? Adding Ben Simmons would make this team better if he also brings a Damian Lillard with him. But then again, if you add a player like Damian Lillard to this team then guys like Randle wouldn't have to try to be Lebron James and...this team would be better. And no, the point isn't about fantasizing about a trade that's not likely to happen, it's to point out that it's not as simple as you are making it out to be to "solve (the) majority of our offensive problems."

The Knicks problems this season is the same problem they had last season. They lack anyone that can actually be justified to take the ball out of Randle's hands and carry the offense on a consistent basis night in and night out. Ben Simmons is not a no.1 or no.2 option (and not even a no.3 option) on top teams (as he showed in the playoffs). The Knicks need that alternative no.1 option (or at least a 1a or 1b so Randle doesn't have to do what he's doing). Kemba Walker was supposed to be that guy. He hasn't been so far and may never been cause he may very well be shot.

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