Is Brunson the pg Knicks have needed

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Now, is it possible to build a contender around Brunson?

Yes

fantasy gm it, im not seeing it

He's not going to be your cornerstone franchise player, but he's obviously a number 2 to that player. If the Mavericks had him right now and empowered him a bit more they'd be running away with the West.

[RHODEY]

I thought this was a post game thread. I can't believe how many people didn't see the talent Brunson had.

Many didn't even think he could start...they know who they are

[3toheadmelo]

yes

great person i am!

[sol537]

This is how we win a title in the Brunson era...

1) Upgrade the coach in the off-season... Thibs helped build an identity, now we need a coach that can get to the next level
2) Free up cap to sign Jaylen Brown or OG... 1-2-3 becomes JB, Grimes, Brown (or OG)... sick
3) Utilize Randle and picks in a blockbuster trade to bring in either Booker or a stud stretch PF like Siakam
4) Contend for 3-5 seasons back-to-back-to-back until we hopefully win one like the 70/73 Knicks =)

[Chanel Bomber]

Brunson's a good player you can build with but not around.

The Knicks still need a superstar talent to reach the next level. They're not going anywhere so long as Brunson is their best player.

Grimes fits pretty nicely alongside Brunson. The Knicks still need to upgrade at the forward spots.

[moocow007]

yes

great person i am!

And yet they still doubt you...

[Capn'O]

I thought this was a post game thread. I can't believe how many people didn't see the talent Brunson had.

I'm mostly in the clear. I knew he was good but I did underrate how good he could be. I just wish we'd had a little more foresight and not had to lose some assets to get there but he was worth the effort of course correcting by far.

[3toheadmelo]

yes

great person i am!

And yet they still doubt you...

really nasty people!

[NYKinMIA]

the early takes on here are gold!

[The Lamma]

:lol: the early takes on here are gold!

His performance in the playoffs in particular vs Utah opened some eyes

[Ursusamericanus]

Such a great pickup and he's only 26. Haven't felt this optimistic about our future in a long, long time.

[HarthorneWingo]

JB’s been tremendous. His only shortcomings (no pun intended) are that he can dribble the ball too much and that he isn’t a great defender. But he hustles, plays with heart, and is supremely clutch.

[HarthorneWingo]

Brunson's a good player you can build with but not around.

The Knicks still need a superstar talent to reach the next level. They're not going anywhere so long as Brunson is their best player.

Grimes fits pretty nicely alongside Brunson. The Knicks still need to upgrade at the forward spots.

I can live with the way Randle’s playing this season. He and JB are All Star level talents. The only avenue towards improving the roster that I would explore would be to trade RJ and some of those picks for someone. I just don’t know who.

What do you think about a trade with the Bulls for DeRozan and Caruso?

Just thinking about it gets me hot.

[SelbyCobra]

All of us are in love with what Jalen is doing halfway through his first season as a Knick, but here's something that really puts his production into perspective:

Brunson is currently posting 22.3 PPG on 52.6% eFG and 58.0% TS

Those would be the best efficiency percentages for a Knicks PG who averaged at least 15 PPG since...

...ever.

He's been that good. If Jalen can keep that level of scoring efficiency up (and it's not like this is crazy because those numbers above are actually below his career averages due to the increased volume as a focal point in NY), he'll be the most efficient scoring PG in the 77 year history of the New York Knickerbockers.

Top 5 Knicks eFG seasons for PG with at least 15 PPG:
1) 69-70 Clyde - 51.8%
2) 71-72 Clyde - 51.2%
3) 88-89 Jackson - 50.7%
4) 04-05 Marbury - 50.6%
5) 70-71 Clyde - 50.5%

Top 5 Knicks TS seasons for PG with at least 15 PPG:
1) 71-72 Clyde - 57.6%
2) 69-70 Clyde - 57.5%
3) 04-05 Marbury - 57.5%
4) 68-69 Clyde - 56.0%
5) 70-71 Clyde - 55.6%

[HarthorneWingo]

Brunson's a good player you can build with but not around.

The Knicks still need a superstar talent to reach the next level. They're not going anywhere so long as Brunson is their best player.

Grimes fits pretty nicely alongside Brunson. The Knicks still need to upgrade at the forward spots.

I can live with the way Randle’s playing this season. He and JB are All Star level talents. The only avenue towards improving the roster that I would explore would be to trade RJ and some of those picks for someone. I just don’t know who.

What do you think about a trade with the Bulls for DeRozan and Caruso?

Just thinking about it gets me hot.

Or how about Mykal Bridges? The wheels are falling off the Suns. Too anarchy in the front office with their ownership etc.

[Chanel Bomber]

All of us are in love with what Jalen is doing halfway through his first season as a Knick, but here's something that really puts his production into perspective:

Brunson is currently posting 22.3 PPG on 52.6% eFG and 58.0% TS

Those would be the best efficiency percentages for a Knicks PG who averaged at least 15 PPG since...

...ever.

He's been that good. If Jalen can keep that level of scoring efficiency up (and it's not like this is crazy because those numbers above are actually below his career averages due to the increased volume as a focal point in NY), he'll be the most efficient scoring PG in the 77 year history of the New York Knickerbockers.

Top 5 Knicks eFG seasons for PG with at least 15 PPG:
1) 69-70 Clyde - 51.8%
2) 71-72 Clyde - 51.2%
3) 88-89 Jackson - 50.7%
4) 04-05 Marbury - 50.6%
5) 70-71 Clyde - 50.5%

Top 5 Knicks TS seasons for PG with at least 15 PPG:
1) 71-72 Clyde - 57.6%
2) 69-70 Clyde - 57.5%
3) 04-05 Marbury - 57.5%
4) 68-69 Clyde - 56.0%
5) 70-71 Clyde - 55.6%

In a vacuum this is true but league-average for TS has increased dramatically since the 70s.

You could've had an above-average TS in the 70s that would be well below-average in today's NBA. Just like RJ would have been reasonably efficient in 2003 but is basically bottom of the league in efficiency among high-usage players in today's NBA.

Reference has this great stat called league-adjusted TS but it only goes back to the early-80s.

No doubt Clyde was more efficient than even Brunson in his time relative to league-average.

[dakomish23]

:lol: the early takes on here are gold!

Bro look at the stuff said in these threads as well. Hilarious.

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[NYKnickerbocker]

Happy we got him. I remember thinking we missed the boat with Vanvleet and getting Brunson would be the no defense version of him. Was clearly wrong Lmao. Brunson is exactly the kinda PG we needed. Can get his own shot in any situation efficiently.

[dakomish23]

:lol: the early takes on here are gold!

Accurate

[8516knicks]

Give it up for 3 to head Mello - amid all the chuckles he was first with a resounding simple "yes." Almost makes up for the occasional Wandle lauding.