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Re: PG: Randle clutch again 

Post#141 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Feb 8, 2023 7:55 pm

stuporman wrote:If the Knicks didn't blow so many big leads in games, many before 'clutch time' even comes, they wouldn't have had to stress the clutch time as much but it's nice to see they have improved from previous seasons and even improved as the season has progressed.

I mentioned the issue of Grimes falling alot on drives weeks ago, glad it isn't just me who thinks this but he also doesn't seem to create many FTs from it, either.


More Grimes, less RJ.

Grimes needs the ball more. He'll learn. I also think there were a few non-calls from the refs where fouls should've been called.
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Re: PG: Randle clutch again 

Post#142 » by Knicks Byke » Wed Feb 8, 2023 7:56 pm

Thread should be Jalen clutch again.
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Re: PG: Randle clutch again 

Post#143 » by RHODEY » Wed Feb 8, 2023 7:59 pm

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This is to counterbalance Randle's UN clutchness in those late situations. Randle should NEVER be given the ball early in the clock to Iso. It should be Brunson creating either his own shot or setting someone else up as that player cuts to the basket or is wide open. Randle needs to be a clear 2B in this situation and Thibs needs to enforce that.

Brunson for 2 straight possessions late after multiple Randle bloopers refused to pass out to Randle . It resulted in a Brunson drive and score and then a Brunson drive and dish to Sims for a dunk.

Should ALWAYS be through Brunson. Randle can't be trusted in those situations iso'ing EVER. Brunson makes things happen and I guarantee Brunson would have gotten us a quality shot in that Lakers game. That play should NEVER happen again. Brunson should always have the ball in his hands in the final play. Doesn't mean he has to take the last shot but he will at least make a good decision and kick it out to someone or draw a foul or break down the defense etc.
I thought that the title of this thread should be "Brunson clutch again"
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Re: PG: Randle clutch again 

Post#144 » by nykfan42 » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:03 pm

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This is to counterbalance Randle's UN clutchness in those late situations. Randle should NEVER be given the ball early in the clock to Iso. It should be Brunson creating either his own shot or setting someone else up as that player cuts to the basket or is wide open. Randle needs to be a clear 2B in this situation and Thibs needs to enforce that.

Brunson for 2 straight possessions late after multiple Randle bloopers refused to pass out to Randle . It resulted in a Brunson drive and score and then a Brunson drive and dish to Sims for a dunk.

Should ALWAYS be through Brunson. Randle can't be trusted in those situations iso'ing EVER. Brunson makes things happen and I guarantee Brunson would have gotten us a quality shot in that Lakers game. That play should NEVER happen again. Brunson should always have the ball in his hands in the final play. Doesn't mean he has to take the last shot but he will at least make a good decision and kick it out to someone or draw a foul or break down the defense etc.
I thought that the title of this thread should be "Brunson clutch again"

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Re: PG: Randle clutch again 

Post#145 » by RHODEY » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:06 pm

Buttah304 wrote:I don’t know much more I can take of Obi’s non-rebounding, no defense playing, fake hustle leak outs.

From what I can see, when IQ was going through a rough stretch he was still playing defense and attacking the glass. When Deuce is bricking he’s still making life extremely difficult for the opposition to get into their sets.

When Obi isn’t going 2-4 or 3-5 from 3PT he’s not only invisible on the court he’s detrimental to the success of the 2nd unit.

He seems like one of the nicest kids in the world but he’s charmin soft and I rarely if ever see genuine fight/grit from him.

The way he coasts through games at times is eerily reminiscent to Knox - our former eastern conference rookie of the month.
Hes not soft , he's a tweener,told to go stand in the corner, playing in a system not suited to his strengths... backing up an all-star that takes away his opportunity to play substantial minutes. Im not not mad at Obi, we've seen what he can do, I'm mad at the front office.
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Re: PG: Randle clutch again 

Post#146 » by dakomish23 » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:30 pm

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Buttah304 wrote:I don’t know much more I can take of Obi’s non-rebounding, no defense playing, fake hustle leak outs.

From what I can see, when IQ was going through a rough stretch he was still playing defense and attacking the glass. When Deuce is bricking he’s still making life extremely difficult for the opposition to get into their sets.

When Obi isn’t going 2-4 or 3-5 from 3PT he’s not only invisible on the court he’s detrimental to the success of the 2nd unit.

He seems like one of the nicest kids in the world but he’s charmin soft and I rarely if ever see genuine fight/grit from him.

The way he coasts through games at times is eerily reminiscent to Knox - our former eastern conference rookie of the month.
Hes not soft , he a tweener, playing in a system not suited to his strengths... backing up an all-star that takes away his opportunity to play substantial minutes. Im not not mad at Obi, we've seen what he can do, I'm mad at the front office.


Would you have any interest in an Obi + 1st to CHI for Patrick Williams
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Post#147 » by bearadonisdna » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:31 pm

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Buttah304 wrote:I don’t know much more I can take of Obi’s non-rebounding, no defense playing, fake hustle leak outs.

From what I can see, when IQ was going through a rough stretch he was still playing defense and attacking the glass. When Deuce is bricking he’s still making life extremely difficult for the opposition to get into their sets.

When Obi isn’t going 2-4 or 3-5 from 3PT he’s not only invisible on the court he’s detrimental to the success of the 2nd unit.

He seems like one of the nicest kids in the world but he’s charmin soft and I rarely if ever see genuine fight/grit from him.

The way he coasts through games at times is eerily reminiscent to Knox - our former eastern conference rookie of the month.
Hes not soft , he a tweener, playing in a system not suited to his strengths... backing up an all-star that takes away his opportunity to play substantial minutes. Im not not mad at Obi, we've seen what he can do, I'm mad at the front office.


People be mad at FO but if the Knicks ‘stars’ didn’t play 1 playoff game since their draft we would be big mad
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Re: PG: Randle clutch again 

Post#148 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:36 pm

Really nasty people trying to discredit Randle’s contributions to winning this game. I can’t wait till we get rid of Obi so y’all can leave with him!
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Re: PG: Randle clutch again 

Post#149 » by RHODEY » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:39 pm

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Buttah304 wrote:I don’t know much more I can take of Obi’s non-rebounding, no defense playing, fake hustle leak outs.

From what I can see, when IQ was going through a rough stretch he was still playing defense and attacking the glass. When Deuce is bricking he’s still making life extremely difficult for the opposition to get into their sets.

When Obi isn’t going 2-4 or 3-5 from 3PT he’s not only invisible on the court he’s detrimental to the success of the 2nd unit.

He seems like one of the nicest kids in the world but he’s charmin soft and I rarely if ever see genuine fight/grit from him.

The way he coasts through games at times is eerily reminiscent to Knox - our former eastern conference rookie of the month.
Hes not soft , he a tweener, playing in a system not suited to his strengths... backing up an all-star that takes away his opportunity to play substantial minutes. Im not not mad at Obi, we've seen what he can do, I'm mad at the front office.


Would you have any interest in an Obi + 1st to CHI for Patrick Williams


I might if the pick were protected..but would Chicago?
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Re: PG: Randle clutch again 

Post#150 » by RHODEY » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:42 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Really nasty people trying to discredit Randle’s contributions to winning this game. I can’t wait till we get rid of Obi so y’all can leave with him!

I feel a new versus rivalry.....and Im not taking that bait! :D But even you gotta admit your title is a bit ...inaccurate. :D
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Post#151 » by Buttah304 » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:47 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Really nasty people trying to discredit Randle’s contributions to winning this game. I can’t wait till we get rid of Obi so y’all can leave with him!


Guano said it best: not wanting to really go at RJ because he’s just been disappointing to watch. I also don’t believe Obi is a good basketball player. Forget arguing semantics or the situation he was thrown in. Of course it wasn’t ideal. For me it’s this sinking feeling that whenever they both go on the court their projected ceiling gets lower and lower. Once we completely blew the Frank and Knox picks we needed gold or at least a diamond in the rough. We’re peddling silver.
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Re: PG: Randle clutch again 

Post#152 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:58 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Really nasty people trying to discredit Randle’s contributions to winning this game. I can’t wait till we get rid of Obi so y’all can leave with him!

I feel a new versus rivalry.....and Im not taking that bait! :D But even you gotta admit your title is a bit ...inaccurate. :D

How is it inaccurate though?

Randle hit a big 3 to give us the lead
Randle hit both free throws
Randle got a big time rebound to secure the win

Not discrediting what Brunson has done, but this is Randle’s second clutch game in a row
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Re: PG: Randle clutch again 

Post#153 » by RHODEY » Wed Feb 8, 2023 9:45 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Really nasty people trying to discredit Randle’s contributions to winning this game. I can’t wait till we get rid of Obi so y’all can leave with him!

I feel a new versus rivalry.....and Im not taking that bait! :D But even you gotta admit your title is a bit ...inaccurate. :D

How is it inaccurate though?

Randle hit a big 3 to give us the lead
Randle hit both free throws
Randle got a big time rebound to secure the win

Not discrediting what Brunson has done, but this is Randle’s second clutch game in a row
true he was clutch for him ...not going to get into the versus stuff...
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Post#154 » by HighRyzer83 » Wed Feb 8, 2023 10:00 pm

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Buttah304 wrote:I don’t know much more I can take of Obi’s non-rebounding, no defense playing, fake hustle leak outs.

From what I can see, when IQ was going through a rough stretch he was still playing defense and attacking the glass. When Deuce is bricking he’s still making life extremely difficult for the opposition to get into their sets.

When Obi isn’t going 2-4 or 3-5 from 3PT he’s not only invisible on the court he’s detrimental to the success of the 2nd unit.

He seems like one of the nicest kids in the world but he’s charmin soft and I rarely if ever see genuine fight/grit from him.

The way he coasts through games at times is eerily reminiscent to Knox - our former eastern conference rookie of the month.
Hes not soft , he's a tweener,told to go stand in the corner, playing in a system not suited to his strengths... backing up an all-star that takes away his opportunity to play substantial minutes. Im not not mad at Obi, we've seen what he can do, I'm mad at the front office.

Not sure why thibs absolutely refuses to play Obi at the 3 like the life of his kids depends on it. We need a 3, Obi is a dynamic athlete that can shoot, but completely sacrilegious to even try it for any significant amount of time for some reason. I think this is another one of those moves thibs will take a lifetime to figure out and then gets credit for finally figuring out.
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Re: PG: Randle clutch again 

Post#157 » by nykballa2k4 » Wed Feb 8, 2023 11:03 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Really nasty people trying to discredit Randle’s contributions to winning this game. I can’t wait till we get rid of Obi so y’all can leave with him!

I feel a new versus rivalry.....and Im not taking that bait! :D But even you gotta admit your title is a bit ...inaccurate. :D

How is it inaccurate though?

Randle hit a big 3 to give us the lead
Randle hit both free throws
Randle got a big time rebound to secure the win

Not discrediting what Brunson has done, but this is Randle’s second clutch game in a row

Clutch travel too. Clutch bricked 3 pointer.
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Post#158 » by RHODEY » Wed Feb 8, 2023 11:30 pm

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Buttah304 wrote:I don’t know much more I can take of Obi’s non-rebounding, no defense playing, fake hustle leak outs.

From what I can see, when IQ was going through a rough stretch he was still playing defense and attacking the glass. When Deuce is bricking he’s still making life extremely difficult for the opposition to get into their sets.

When Obi isn’t going 2-4 or 3-5 from 3PT he’s not only invisible on the court he’s detrimental to the success of the 2nd unit.

He seems like one of the nicest kids in the world but he’s charmin soft and I rarely if ever see genuine fight/grit from him.

The way he coasts through games at times is eerily reminiscent to Knox - our former eastern conference rookie of the month.
Hes not soft , he's a tweener,told to go stand in the corner, playing in a system not suited to his strengths... backing up an all-star that takes away his opportunity to play substantial minutes. Im not not mad at Obi, we've seen what he can do, I'm mad at the front office.

Not sure why thibs absolutely refuses to play Obi at the 3 like the life of his kids depends on it. We need a 3, Obi is a dynamic athlete that can shoot, but completely sacrilegious to even try it for any significant amount of time for some reason. I think this is another one of those moves thibs will take a lifetime to figure out and then gets credit for finally figuring out.
He doesn't play him at the 3 because even though Obi is a great straight line athlete he lacks the lateral movement to guard 3s effectively.
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Re: PG: Randle clutch again 

Post#159 » by RHODEY » Wed Feb 8, 2023 11:34 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
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RHODEY wrote:I feel a new versus rivalry.....and Im not taking that bait! :D But even you gotta admit your title is a bit ...inaccurate. :D

How is it inaccurate though?

Randle hit a big 3 to give us the lead
Randle hit both free throws
Randle got a big time rebound to secure the win

Not discrediting what Brunson has done, but this is Randle’s second clutch game in a row

Clutch travel too. Clutch bricked 3 pointer.
I didn't want to say it :D I didn't mind that he missed that 3...only that he could have ran 10 more seconds off the clock before he took it. Still he's improving in terms of the shot making overall during clutch moments.
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