Original Title Was Wack - Knicks Comparison Thread Starting PG 5

[Jalen Bluntson]

Happy?

We are not doing a thousand individual comp threads.

[WargamesX]

It's time to have the conversation that this thread is ridiculous!

Melo vs. Randle needs its own thread

RJ Barrett vs. JR Smith needs another one.

Honestly I rather do that than Randle/RJ sucks thread. It’s arguing who is better.

Grimes vs. Courtney Lee

RJ vs. JR SMith

IQ vs. Jason Kidd or Raymond Felton

Donte vs. Jeremy Lin

Josh Hart vs. Fields

Jared Jeffries vs. Taj

Randle vs. Fat Drunk Unmotivated Zack Randolph or Fat Angry Stat padding Melo

This team is just polished bums of the past striving for first round revenue and CAA dollars.

FTFY

[robillionaire]

RJ averaged 17 a game that year. Rose was a 6MOTY candidate. IQ and Burks contributed to a strong bench. Mitch and Noel was a dominant defensive tandem. They were 3rd in DRTG that year. Randle’s offense was a big part of the success that year, but they were carried mostly by their defense keeping them in games. Only roster even comparable to this one with Melo was the 2012-13 team.

And somehow, even with Melo taking shots like that, his offensive impact was higher than Randle’s. This is also backed by advanced stats as well. Not to mention, the offensive talent around Randle the past couple years laps anything that was put around Melo. Take a look at those rosters again.

Mitch was injured most of that season the center tandem was nerlens noel and the corpse of taj gibson and the point guard was elfrid payton and Derrick rose on his last legs. That roster was pretty bad

Also JR Smith actually did win the 6th man of the year not just a candidate and Tyson Chandler had championship experience in 2011 and won DPOY. he played with Amare who was in the league mvp conversation not long before that. What did the team look like when Randle got here?

Since Randle arrived the Knicks have already reached the pinnacle of success that melo accomplished (winning 1 playoff series and 7 playoff games) and it looks like we are on the way back for more this year

When melo finally got forced out we hadn’t made the playoffs in years and the roster was in shambles, if Randle ever leaves he’ll likely be leaving this place in a much better situation than the 17 win team it was when he signed here when KD and Kyrie turned us down and nobody else wanted to come. Now we look like a respectable team

Prime melo was obviously a superstar and a great talent much moreso than Randle especially from a scoring perspective, but what did he actually do for the Knicks, he played a selfish style of ball didn’t make anybody around him better and nobody wanted to play here. Randle has led the team in assists on multiple occasions and is once again doing so this season. Melo’s USG% was much higher he would get the ball to iso and shoot and that was the entire offense. Randle is actually trying to look for open teammates frequently. I’d rather watch the group we have now with Randle posting up any day over the last several years of Carmelo

You’re mentioning Amare’s MVP candidacy from 10-11 as proof Melo played with someone great in 12-13??? A year he played 29 games?????!!!!

The whole world knows Melo had no one even close to the caliber Julius has now. Hell even RJ in 20-21 would have been the 2nd best player on those Knicks teams.

JR 12-13
18.1 PPG 5.3 RPG 2.7 APG 1.3 SPG
42.2% on 15.6 FGA
35.6% on 5.5 3PA
76.2% on 3.9 FTA
48.4% EFG 52.2% TS

RJ 20-21
17.6 PPG 5.8 RPG 3.0 APG 0.7 SPG
44.1% on 14.7 FGA
40.1% on 4.3 3PA
74.6% on 3.8 FTA

The only good player Melo had was Tyson. And Melo was utterly dominant that him, Tyson who could barley scrape 10 PPG and a bunch of inconsistent guards / players on their last legs got us 54 wins. After dragging us from the 11th seed to the 7th seed after Lin / Amare went down the year before. And b/c Tyson went down in 13-14 for a long period of time, we barely missed the playoffs. A year in which Melo was so good, that teams LITERALLY ROLLED OUT RED CARPETS for him to hand him a max deal.

It takes nothing away from Julius’s accomplishments here to operate in the realm of reality. He’s blown away even my own expectations and I had him as a FA target in 2019 while everyone was so sure we were a lock for KD / Irving. He’s the best big since Ewing. But pretending he’s been better than prime Melo here is lunacy

He isn’t better on an individual basis like if they were to play a game of one on one but the team is better and there are various reasons for this which I have detailed. And if prime melo were here now playing the same way he played when he was on the Knicks before instead of Randle you’d lose your assist leader and in exchange nobody else would get an opportunity to breathe on the ball so where would the team be?

Melo left the Knicks and went to play on other teams and as far as I could tell he couldn’t play in any other way and never could change his game to suit the needs of a team so I don’t think it would be any different now

[WargamesX]

Mitch was injured most of that season the center tandem was nerlens noel and the corpse of taj gibson and the point guard was elfrid payton and Derrick rose on his last legs. That roster was pretty bad

Also JR Smith actually did win the 6th man of the year not just a candidate and Tyson Chandler had championship experience in 2011 and won DPOY. he played with Amare who was in the league mvp conversation not long before that. What did the team look like when Randle got here?

Since Randle arrived the Knicks have already reached the pinnacle of success that melo accomplished (winning 1 playoff series and 7 playoff games) and it looks like we are on the way back for more this year

When melo finally got forced out we hadn’t made the playoffs in years and the roster was in shambles, if Randle ever leaves he’ll likely be leaving this place in a much better situation than the 17 win team it was when he signed here when KD and Kyrie turned us down and nobody else wanted to come. Now we look like a respectable team

Prime melo was obviously a superstar and a great talent much moreso than Randle especially from a scoring perspective, but what did he actually do for the Knicks, he played a selfish style of ball didn’t make anybody around him better and nobody wanted to play here. Randle has led the team in assists on multiple occasions and is once again doing so this season. Melo’s USG% was much higher he would get the ball to iso and shoot and that was the entire offense. Randle is actually trying to look for open teammates frequently. I’d rather watch the group we have now with Randle posting up any day over the last several years of Carmelo

You’re mentioning Amare’s MVP candidacy from 10-11 as proof Melo played with someone great in 12-13??? A year he played 29 games?????!!!!

The whole world knows Melo had no one even close to the caliber Julius has now. Hell even RJ in 20-21 would have been the 2nd best player on those Knicks teams.

JR 12-13
18.1 PPG 5.3 RPG 2.7 APG 1.3 SPG
42.2% on 15.6 FGA
35.6% on 5.5 3PA
76.2% on 3.9 FTA
48.4% EFG 52.2% TS

RJ 20-21
17.6 PPG 5.8 RPG 3.0 APG 0.7 SPG
44.1% on 14.7 FGA
40.1% on 4.3 3PA
74.6% on 3.8 FTA

The only good player Melo had was Tyson. And Melo was utterly dominant that him, Tyson who could barley scrape 10 PPG and a bunch of inconsistent guards / players on their last legs got us 54 wins. After dragging us from the 11th seed to the 7th seed after Lin / Amare went down the year before. And b/c Tyson went down in 13-14 for a long period of time, we barely missed the playoffs. A year in which Melo was so good, that teams LITERALLY ROLLED OUT RED CARPETS for him to hand him a max deal.

It takes nothing away from Julius’s accomplishments here to operate in the realm of reality. He’s blown away even my own expectations and I had him as a FA target in 2019 while everyone was so sure we were a lock for KD / Irving. He’s the best big since Ewing. But pretending he’s been better than prime Melo here is lunacy

He isn’t better on an individual basis like if they were to play a game of one on one but the team is better and there are various reasons for this which I have detailed. And if prime melo were here now playing the same way he played when he was on the Knicks before instead of Randle you’d lose your assist leader and in exchange nobody else would get an opportunity to breathe on the ball so where would the team be?

Melo left the Knicks and went to play on other teams and as far as I could tell he couldn’t play in any other way and never could change his game to suit the needs of a team so I don’t think it would be any different now

Everyone is forgetting Melo on OKC, Houston, Portland, and the Lakers where he never really fit in because he was all about scoring and was no longer the first option. His assist and rebounds went down from when he was in NY. You’re right he never changed his game.

[dakomish23]

You’re mentioning Amare’s MVP candidacy from 10-11 as proof Melo played with someone great in 12-13??? A year he played 29 games?????!!!!

The whole world knows Melo had no one even close to the caliber Julius has now. Hell even RJ in 20-21 would have been the 2nd best player on those Knicks teams.

JR 12-13
18.1 PPG 5.3 RPG 2.7 APG 1.3 SPG
42.2% on 15.6 FGA
35.6% on 5.5 3PA
76.2% on 3.9 FTA
48.4% EFG 52.2% TS

RJ 20-21
17.6 PPG 5.8 RPG 3.0 APG 0.7 SPG
44.1% on 14.7 FGA
40.1% on 4.3 3PA
74.6% on 3.8 FTA

The only good player Melo had was Tyson. And Melo was utterly dominant that him, Tyson who could barley scrape 10 PPG and a bunch of inconsistent guards / players on their last legs got us 54 wins. After dragging us from the 11th seed to the 7th seed after Lin / Amare went down the year before. And b/c Tyson went down in 13-14 for a long period of time, we barely missed the playoffs. A year in which Melo was so good, that teams LITERALLY ROLLED OUT RED CARPETS for him to hand him a max deal.

It takes nothing away from Julius’s accomplishments here to operate in the realm of reality. He’s blown away even my own expectations and I had him as a FA target in 2019 while everyone was so sure we were a lock for KD / Irving. He’s the best big since Ewing. But pretending he’s been better than prime Melo here is lunacy

He isn’t better on an individual basis like if they were to play a game of one on one but the team is better and there are various reasons for this which I have detailed. And if prime melo were here now playing the same way he played when he was on the Knicks before instead of Randle you’d lose your assist leader and in exchange nobody else would get an opportunity to breathe on the ball so where would the team be?

Melo left the Knicks and went to play on other teams and as far as I could tell he couldn’t play in any other way and never could change his game to suit the needs of a team so I don’t think it would be any different now

Everyone is forgetting Melo on OKC, Houston, Portland, and the Lakers where he never really fit in because he was all about scoring and was no longer the first option. His assist and rebounds went down from when he was in NY. You’re right he never changed his game.

See above what I bolded

[KnicksGadfly]

The only one who wins in this thread is that troll NYKBacker

[robillionaire]

The only one who wins in this thread is that troll NYKBacker

Any time Randle strings together a few good games he posts one of these rage farming threads it’s actually quite sad

[robillionaire]

You’re mentioning Amare’s MVP candidacy from 10-11 as proof Melo played with someone great in 12-13??? A year he played 29 games?????!!!!

The whole world knows Melo had no one even close to the caliber Julius has now. Hell even RJ in 20-21 would have been the 2nd best player on those Knicks teams.

JR 12-13
18.1 PPG 5.3 RPG 2.7 APG 1.3 SPG
42.2% on 15.6 FGA
35.6% on 5.5 3PA
76.2% on 3.9 FTA
48.4% EFG 52.2% TS

RJ 20-21
17.6 PPG 5.8 RPG 3.0 APG 0.7 SPG
44.1% on 14.7 FGA
40.1% on 4.3 3PA
74.6% on 3.8 FTA

The only good player Melo had was Tyson. And Melo was utterly dominant that him, Tyson who could barley scrape 10 PPG and a bunch of inconsistent guards / players on their last legs got us 54 wins. After dragging us from the 11th seed to the 7th seed after Lin / Amare went down the year before. And b/c Tyson went down in 13-14 for a long period of time, we barely missed the playoffs. A year in which Melo was so good, that teams LITERALLY ROLLED OUT RED CARPETS for him to hand him a max deal.

It takes nothing away from Julius’s accomplishments here to operate in the realm of reality. He’s blown away even my own expectations and I had him as a FA target in 2019 while everyone was so sure we were a lock for KD / Irving. He’s the best big since Ewing. But pretending he’s been better than prime Melo here is lunacy

He isn’t better on an individual basis like if they were to play a game of one on one but the team is better and there are various reasons for this which I have detailed. And if prime melo were here now playing the same way he played when he was on the Knicks before instead of Randle you’d lose your assist leader and in exchange nobody else would get an opportunity to breathe on the ball so where would the team be?

Melo left the Knicks and went to play on other teams and as far as I could tell he couldn’t play in any other way and never could change his game to suit the needs of a team so I don’t think it would be any different now

Everyone is forgetting Melo on OKC, Houston, Portland, and the Lakers where he never really fit in because he was all about scoring and was no longer the first option. His assist and rebounds went down from when he was in NY. You’re right he never changed his game.

I think I’d point to his time spent with Allen iverson and the poor fit and wonder how it’s any better with a guy like Brunson

[Chanel Bomber]

Booooo

[stuporman]

Just saw this thread so now going to read the hilarity...

[dakomish23]

New thread title is being lenient on the original heresy it was

[Guano]

changing the thread title is an outrage and a disservice to the credibility of this fine establishment

I demand a recount and to talk to the manager about this injustice!

[Guano]

The only one who wins in this thread is that troll NYKBacker

Any time Randle strings together a few good games he posts one of these rage farming threads it’s actually quite sad

[thebuzzardman]

Let’s be honest, Randle came here because we had the cap space to bring him in and he was the only option we had available when KD and Kyrie shafted us. Just like Melo came here for the money.

And when did I say the talent was elite during those 2 years? I said they weren’t as bad as you’re making them seem, which they weren’t. That team wasn’t a carry job considering they were a top 3 defense in the league and one of the top bench units in the league.

Do we pretend like Randle’s poor play and antics didn’t contribute to the downward spiral? Absolutely Fournier and Kemba being flops were a big part of it, but Randle being a flop that year didn’t make it better.

As for his play this year, he wasn’t only shooting poorly. He was all-time low level poor shooting. If he was just shooting poorly at that volume, we probably pull off a couple more wins.

With all that said, glad he’s back on track and hope he continues to play well. I’m not the biggest Julius fan, but he’s important to the team’s endeavors.

You say that about the money but it feels like everytime we turn around some star is like "don't send me to the knicks" regardless of the money.

Also this might be the first time I've heard someone defend not just Fournier but Kemba in a while. They were playing horribly on the defensive side when they got here and teams would just hunt them out.

Randle had his rights renounced by the Lakers and then went to NO for 2yr/18 mil. Then he came to us for 3yr/63mil…doesn’t sound like there was much of a market for him. He wasn’t a star at that time. He was AD’s backup who played well when he got starter minutes before he got here.

And where did I defend Fournier and Kemba? Read that again

Brilliant job by Steve Mills and his strategy of paying more than other teams and having the player grow into and over the value aof the contract!

Didn't work out so well with THJr, worked brilliantly with Randle!!!

Sorry, a little late to all the fun

[Chanel Bomber]

Happy?

We are not doing a thousand individual comp threads.

The lowest moment in your career.

This is your Bron 2011 NBA Finals. smh

[Capn'O]

Happy?

We are not doing a thousand individual comp threads.

The lowest moment in your career.

This is your Bron 2011 NBA Finals. smh

changing the thread title is an outrage and a disservice to the credibility of this fine establishment

I demand a recount and to talk to the manager about this injustice!

[Chanel Bomber]

Happy?

We are not doing a thousand individual comp threads.

The lowest moment in your career.

This is your Bron 2011 NBA Finals. smh

changing the thread title is an outrage and a disservice to the credibility of this fine establishment

I demand a recount and to talk to the manager about this injustice!

[Capn'O]

The lowest moment in your career.

This is your Bron 2011 NBA Finals. smh

changing the thread title is an outrage and a disservice to the credibility of this fine establishment

I demand a recount and to talk to the manager about this injustice!

[Chanel Bomber]

[Capn'O]

I need to create a library of Ewing rejections. Especially for the next time that Pippen gif surfaces on the GB.