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KnixinSix wrote:cgf wrote:KnixinSix wrote:Randle's act is really wearing thin. Build around Brunson see if you can spin Randle and picks for something like Markenen.
Swapping Randle for Markannen wouldn't help with our lack of non-Brunson creation.
No worries . Murray for 2FRPs as you suggested as his asking price would.
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
Bob Ross wrote:I'd give up one of our picks and two of the protected picks for Murray. Of course nothing any of us says matters so who cares
KnixinSix wrote:Bob Ross wrote:I'd give up one of our picks and two of the protected picks for Murray. Of course nothing any of us says matters so who cares
Hartenstein (30), OG (8), Markenen (10)
Markenen (25), OG (14), Achiwa (5), Hart (4)
OG (12), Hart(30), DDV (6)
Murray (23), DDV (25)
Brunson (34), Murray (10), McBride (4)
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
WargamesX wrote:Hes_On_Fire wrote:WargamesX wrote:
Our two best players were from the pile of “guys who haven’t proven Jack squat” now including OG who was injured during that Raptors championship run and only been second team defense. That argument holds no weight for the Knicks, if anything him being a former All star would make Murray the most proven commodity this team has traded for in a while, that isn’t way past their prime.
OG was a commodity that many teams wanted for his game changing defensive ability.
Jalen Brunson proved plenty before coming here, which is why I wanted him dating back to 2020. His playoff performances only solidified that.
If anything, Murray is more like the guard version of Julius Randle at this point. Hasn’t contributed a significant amount to winning.
We have pages and pages of debate on this very forum about Jalen not being the piece they need and him being overrated. Jalen and Randle are among the leagues MIP since they got here.
As for OG he is a nice piece but he is an ancillary piece, to what we’re doing here, but no he isn’t a proven commodity either. If Murray came here and provided his 20/5/5 he would be the most proven guy brought in. I just don’t get the hate for Murray, it’s counterproductive to wanting the Knicks to get better.
KnixinSix wrote:Randle's act is really wearing thin. Build around Brunson see if you can spin Randle and picks for something like Markenen.
cgf wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:cgf wrote:
Lavine's contract makes him an unrealistic target for us to acquire, but people need to stop repeating these myths about his game.
Lavine misses just a few more games than Brunson, he's dangerous both on-ball & off-ball, his playmaking is on par with Brundle's, and his defense is just as good as Brunson / Booker / Randle's...even better according to some metrics; IIRC EPM has him as a slight positive defensively.
*He got Covid in both the 2021 & 2022 seasons
The dude is expensive and the Bulls' FO might be even more delusional about their players' value than Masai, but the dude doesn't miss as much time as people pretend he does. He's not as bad defensively as people like to claim. He's not a ballstopper / ballhog. He's just a 2nd/3rd option who has never gotten to play on a team with someone clearly better than him. The only time in his career he got to play with an above average starting PG, his team was in 1st.
Again, not gunna be a knick, but he's not the player that his reputation suggests he is either.
His reputation suggests he isn't worth his contract. That's all that matters. Chicago is in salary dump territory with him. End of story.
LeBron friendly sources are saying that Chicago should just dump his salary at a time when LeBron desperately needs someone like Lavine and the Lakers have very limited assets. Chicago sources say the Bulls want multiple FRPs to even discuss giving Lavine up.
People that don't know much about the Bulls say the 2nd apron will force them to move Lavine, but they have plenty of money to bring back DeMar & Pat without even being a tax team, much less a super-Tax team.
The NBA media is pushing for the Bulls to gift him to the Lakers because the Bulls are a play-in team and LeBron needs help, but that doesn't make the slander true.
http://spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/2024/
RIP mags Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
NoLayupRule wrote:cgf wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:
His reputation suggests he isn't worth his contract. That's all that matters. Chicago is in salary dump territory with him. End of story.
LeBron friendly sources are saying that Chicago should just dump his salary at a time when LeBron desperately needs someone like Lavine and the Lakers have very limited assets. Chicago sources say the Bulls want multiple FRPs to even discuss giving Lavine up.
People that don't know much about the Bulls say the 2nd apron will force them to move Lavine, but they have plenty of money to bring back DeMar & Pat without even being a tax team, much less a super-Tax team.
The NBA media is pushing for the Bulls to gift him to the Lakers because the Bulls are a play-in team and LeBron needs help, but that doesn't make the slander true.
http://spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/2024/
lol
"slander"?
KnixinSix wrote:Bob Ross wrote:I'd give up one of our picks and two of the protected picks for Murray. Of course nothing any of us says matters so who cares
Hartenstein (30), OG (8), Markenen (10)
Markenen (25), OG (14), Achiwa (5), Hart (4)
OG (12), Hart(30), DDV (6)
Murray (23), DDV (25)
Brunson (34), Murray (10), McBride (4)
Richard4444 wrote:KnixinSix wrote:Bob Ross wrote:I'd give up one of our picks and two of the protected picks for Murray. Of course nothing any of us says matters so who cares
Hartenstein (30), OG (8), Markenen (10)
Markenen (25), OG (14), Achiwa (5), Hart (4)
OG (12), Hart(30), DDV (6)
Murray (23), DDV (25)
Brunson (34), Murray (10), McBride (4)
It does not make sense to play OG as a Center or McBride 5 minutes in the standard rotation.
Spree2Houston wrote:The likely move will be Randle for KAT. Too much smoke with this rumor - CAA connection with KAT, Randle leaving CAA, Gersa hiring, Minnesota having salary cap issues starting next year, and KAT being the better fit with Brunson. You can play KAT at Center and shift OG to PF to mask KAT's defensive deficiencies.
sol537 wrote:Spree2Houston wrote:The likely move will be Randle for KAT. Too much smoke with this rumor - CAA connection with KAT, Randle leaving CAA, Gersa hiring, Minnesota having salary cap issues starting next year, and KAT being the better fit with Brunson. You can play KAT at Center and shift OG to PF to mask KAT's defensive deficiencies.
This seems to make the most sense of the “smoke” out there. We will still flip Fournier’s salary for Murray or Brogdon imo to have it to include for Spida
Also...how exactly do we match 75mil in salaries to make this happen? RIP mags sol537 wrote:Spree2Houston wrote:The likely move will be Randle for KAT. Too much smoke with this rumor - CAA connection with KAT, Randle leaving CAA, Gersa hiring, Minnesota having salary cap issues starting next year, and KAT being the better fit with Brunson. You can play KAT at Center and shift OG to PF to mask KAT's defensive deficiencies.
This seems to make the most sense of the “smoke” out there. We will still flip Fournier’s salary for Murray or Brogdon imo to have it to include for Spida
KnixinSix wrote:sol537 wrote:Spree2Houston wrote:The likely move will be Randle for KAT. Too much smoke with this rumor - CAA connection with KAT, Randle leaving CAA, Gersa hiring, Minnesota having salary cap issues starting next year, and KAT being the better fit with Brunson. You can play KAT at Center and shift OG to PF to mask KAT's defensive deficiencies.
This seems to make the most sense of the “smoke” out there. We will still flip Fournier’s salary for Murray or Brogdon imo to have it to include for Spida
Minny due to the reality of the upcoming CBA simply can not afford to keep KAT.
And the salary is so monstrous that if we DO take that contract on it is not going to cost us much in assets (besides Randle and salary filler).
If we pull off Murray he can be flipped for Spidah in the offseason.
Rotation (approximate minutes)
Robinson(33), KAT(15)
KAT (18), OG (20), Achiwa (2), Hart (8)
OG (12), Hart(28), DDV (8)
D. Mitchell (23), DDV (25)
Brunson (34), D. Mitchell (10), McBride (4)
Jalen Bluntson wrote:sol537 wrote:Spree2Houston wrote:The likely move will be Randle for KAT. Too much smoke with this rumor - CAA connection with KAT, Randle leaving CAA, Gersa hiring, Minnesota having salary cap issues starting next year, and KAT being the better fit with Brunson. You can play KAT at Center and shift OG to PF to mask KAT's defensive deficiencies.
This seems to make the most sense of the “smoke” out there. We will still flip Fournier’s salary for Murray or Brogdon imo to have it to include for Spida
What smoke? All the KAT smoke is on this board!