ImageImageImageImageImage

PG: Brunson survived

Moderators: Deeeez Knicks, HerSports85, j4remi, NoLayupRule, GONYK, dakomish23, mpharris36, Jeff Van Gully

cgmw
RealGM
Posts: 22,545
And1: 10,445
Joined: Jul 23, 2003
Location: Winning now since 1973
Contact:
 

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#141 » by cgmw » Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:25 pm

stuporman wrote:Brunson 35 mins
Burks 30 mins
Deuce 32 mins

The 'Burks taking Deuce mins' didn't happen this game, in fact, Brunson and Deuce shared the floor for 19 mins. There was even time when all three of those shared the floor together.

Deuce has been getting lit up on defense the past few games, wasn't that supposed to be his primary elite skill? His shot was also off so he's blowing his chance to cement his spot in the rotation.

Burks was the 11th overall pick and the Knicks signed him to a 3 year $30m contract.
McBride was the 36th overall pick and the Knicks signed him to a 3 year $13m contract.

I know this board is filled with rocket surgeons, but take a wild guess which guy the Knicks are more likely to play?
"Sell the team. Sell the team. Sell the team."
User avatar
stuporman
RealGM
Posts: 32,113
And1: 21,216
Joined: Nov 27, 2005
Location: optimistic skeptical realist

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#142 » by stuporman » Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:28 pm

cgmw wrote:
stuporman wrote:Brunson 35 mins
Burks 30 mins
Deuce 32 mins

The 'Burks taking Deuce mins' didn't happen this game, in fact, Brunson and Deuce shared the floor for 19 mins. There was even time when all three of those shared the floor together.

Deuce has been getting lit up on defense the past few games, wasn't that supposed to be his primary elite skill? His shot was also off so he's blowing his chance to cement his spot in the rotation.

Burks was the 11th overall pick and the Knicks signed him to a 3 year $30m contract.
McBride was the 36th overall pick and the Knicks signed him to a 3 year $13m contract.

I know this board is filled with rocket surgeons, but take a wild guess which guy the Knicks are more likely to play?


So Fournier and his 4 year $80million dollar contract played over Grimes and his rookie contract last season according to your logic...because your logic is infallible as a rocket surgeon, right?
If you'd rather see your team fail so you can be right
...you are a fan of your opinion not the team.
Image?
Knowledge is just information stuffed into a mental bag
Wisdom is knowing what to pull out of the bag to do the job
cgmw
RealGM
Posts: 22,545
And1: 10,445
Joined: Jul 23, 2003
Location: Winning now since 1973
Contact:
 

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#143 » by cgmw » Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:34 pm

stuporman wrote:
cgmw wrote:
stuporman wrote:Brunson 35 mins
Burks 30 mins
Deuce 32 mins

The 'Burks taking Deuce mins' didn't happen this game, in fact, Brunson and Deuce shared the floor for 19 mins. There was even time when all three of those shared the floor together.

Deuce has been getting lit up on defense the past few games, wasn't that supposed to be his primary elite skill? His shot was also off so he's blowing his chance to cement his spot in the rotation.

Burks was the 11th overall pick and the Knicks signed him to a 3 year $30m contract.
McBride was the 36th overall pick and the Knicks signed him to a 3 year $13m contract.

I know this board is filled with rocket surgeons, but take a wild guess which guy the Knicks are more likely to play?


So Fournier and his 4 year $80million dollar contract played over Grimes and his rookie contract last season according to your logic...because your logic is infallible as a rocket surgeon, right?

That was a very un-Knick maneuver, however Grimes was a FRP still on his rookie deal while Deuce is a 2RP on a vet contract. Burks is a Maniac favorite recidivist playing the Maniac required iso-selfish lead guard role, while Fournier was playing the Maniac required “3 and D” role with no D.

For Burks to get benched, he will need to suck worse than Elfrid Payton. Is that even possible?
"Sell the team. Sell the team. Sell the team."
User avatar
K_ick_God
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 80,879
And1: 43,336
Joined: Oct 10, 2003
   

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#144 » by K_ick_God » Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:42 pm

I def think the refs have innate bias against the Knicks. And I think the NBA targets the Knicks for poor treatment and to use them, as an organization they don't respect, however they wish. I wonder why the Knicks would go along with that. It's their job to fight for the team, not to be a doormat for the NBA.

I keep seeing Porzingis missing games, which you're not supposed to be able to do. Resting players regularly is basically against the rules. But Boston gets favored treatment I guess. Part-time players is basically a violation of the competitive pact in the NBA.
User avatar
stuporman
RealGM
Posts: 32,113
And1: 21,216
Joined: Nov 27, 2005
Location: optimistic skeptical realist

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#145 » by stuporman » Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:42 pm

cgmw wrote:
stuporman wrote:
cgmw wrote:Burks was the 11th overall pick and the Knicks signed him to a 3 year $30m contract.
McBride was the 36th overall pick and the Knicks signed him to a 3 year $13m contract.

I know this board is filled with rocket surgeons, but take a wild guess which guy the Knicks are more likely to play?


So Fournier and his 4 year $80million dollar contract played over Grimes and his rookie contract last season according to your logic...because your logic is infallible as a rocket surgeon, right?

That was a very un-Knick maneuver, however Grimes was a FRP still on his rookie deal while Deuce is a 2RP on a vet contract. Burks is a Maniac favorite recidivist playing the Maniac required iso-selfish lead guard role, while Fournier was playing the Maniac required “3 and D” role with no D.

For Burks to get benched, he will need to suck worse than Elfrid Payton. Is that even possible?


Your rocket surgeon logic has been debunked and all your caveats don't change that.
If you'd rather see your team fail so you can be right
...you are a fan of your opinion not the team.
Image?
Knowledge is just information stuffed into a mental bag
Wisdom is knowing what to pull out of the bag to do the job
User avatar
Gravy
Head Coach
Posts: 7,120
And1: 9,611
Joined: Jun 25, 2015
     

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#146 » by Gravy » Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:45 pm

Nobody knows exactly what the rotation will be because the team as currently constructed has not been healthy. Some may play themselves into more minutes and somebody might end up being the new Fournier. Maybe Jacob Toppin gets 20mpg like everybody wanted. We only know the starters so far.


Bottom line what you all deserve is:

Mitch/ Burks
Randle/ Burks
OG/ Burks
DDV/ Burks
Brunson/ Burks
cgmw
RealGM
Posts: 22,545
And1: 10,445
Joined: Jul 23, 2003
Location: Winning now since 1973
Contact:
 

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#147 » by cgmw » Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:45 pm

stuporman wrote:
cgmw wrote:
stuporman wrote:
So Fournier and his 4 year $80million dollar contract played over Grimes and his rookie contract last season according to your logic...because your logic is infallible as a rocket surgeon, right?

That was a very un-Knick maneuver, however Grimes was a FRP still on his rookie deal while Deuce is a 2RP on a vet contract. Burks is a Maniac favorite recidivist playing the Maniac required iso-selfish lead guard role, while Fournier was playing the Maniac required “3 and D” role with no D.

For Burks to get benched, he will need to suck worse than Elfrid Payton. Is that even possible?


Your rocket surgeon logic has been debunked and all your caveats don't change that.

Oh ok, so you’re totally willing to put money on Deuce beating out AB for a rotation spot?

If so, that seems like a stupid bet to me. But hey. If you see the odds in Deuce’s favor, I certainly hope you’re right. Because like every other human on earth besides Mama Burks and Tom Thibs, I’ve seen enough of Alec Burks, NY Knick PG.

I provided context, not caveats. Thibs isn’t benching Burks for Deuce.
"Sell the team. Sell the team. Sell the team."
User avatar
NoDopeOnSundays
RealGM
Posts: 27,477
And1: 57,225
Joined: Nov 22, 2005
         

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#148 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:59 pm

cgmw wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
cgmw wrote: :lol:

Idk why people do this to themselves. When the team is healthy, Thibs is benching Precious.



Think he's earned a spot in the rotation and certain lineups it makes more sense to go with him over either of the 7 footers.

IDK man, Thibs seems pretty rigid in his need for a 7 foot rim protector. He's not benching either Hartenstein or Mitch for even 1 second of any game. That means for Precious to make a 9-man regular season rotation, Thibs would have to play DDV or Hart as his backup PG. I think we all know what he'd actually do:

Hartentstein / Mitch
Randle
OG / Bogey
DDV / Hart
Brunson / Burks (or Deuce)

And in the playoffs he cuts it to an 8 man rotation, so forget about any prayer of Precious seeing the court with a healthy roster




That's not realistic, also in certain matchups there's nobody on the team better equipped for guarding power slashers. Like, we have more fouls with him in the rotation if we get matched up with the Bucks, you can go with Randle on Lopez/Portis, him on Giannis, OG on Lillard so that when they run a PnR you just switch it. He's also a better matchup for Bam than any of our guys, and he is someone you could put on Brown while OG is on Tatum. You can also play him in small ball lineups with Randle where we have somewhat of a 5 out offense, since he at least will shoot the open three.

We have a versatile player that can guard the 3-5 and play the smallball 5, you don't staple that to the bench, you figure out how to get him on the floor. He gives us the option to downsize without truly giving up defense, which is something we haven't had.
User avatar
The Lamma
Veteran
Posts: 2,743
And1: 5,642
Joined: Jan 21, 2012
Location: Goonga galunga
       

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#149 » by The Lamma » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:01 pm

Does anyone give a fck about All Star weekend anymore?

The dunk contest used to be the one interesting component imo. But even that got ruined when they started allowing a gazillion attempts. For someone to be able to get a score of 10 on a dunk that was his sixth attempt at it is just weak sauce. I don't even know what today's rules are but I'll watch this year just because Brobi is in it.

And if it were up to me, I'd rather Brunson be resting than having to play in the meaningless game

At least we don't have to watch a stationary Burks dribbling the sht outta the pill for a week
cgmw
RealGM
Posts: 22,545
And1: 10,445
Joined: Jul 23, 2003
Location: Winning now since 1973
Contact:
 

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#150 » by cgmw » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:02 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
cgmw wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

Think he's earned a spot in the rotation and certain lineups it makes more sense to go with him over either of the 7 footers.

IDK man, Thibs seems pretty rigid in his need for a 7 foot rim protector. He's not benching either Hartenstein or Mitch for even 1 second of any game. That means for Precious to make a 9-man regular season rotation, Thibs would have to play DDV or Hart as his backup PG. I think we all know what he'd actually do:

Hartentstein / Mitch
Randle
OG / Bogey
DDV / Hart
Brunson / Burks (or Deuce)

And in the playoffs he cuts it to an 8 man rotation, so forget about any prayer of Precious seeing the court with a healthy roster




That's not realistic, also in certain matchups there's nobody on the team better equipped for guarding power slashers. Like, we have more fouls with him in the rotation if we get matched up with the Bucks, you can go with Randle on Lopez/Portis, him on Giannis, OG on Lillard so that when they run a PnR you just switch it. He's also a better matchup for Bam than any of our guys, and he is someone you could put on Brown while OG is on Tatum. You can also play him in small ball lineups with Randle where we have somewhat of a 5 out offense, since he at least will shoot the open three.

We have a versatile player that can guard the 3-5 and play the smallball 5, you don't staple that to the bench, you figure out how to get him on the floor.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Thibs has literally never deviated from a set rotation based on matchups in, what, 20 years as a HC? He keeps exactly the same rigid 9 guys (reg season) or 8 guys (playoffs) regardless of matchup. He only deviates due to injury or once he’s decided to permanently banish you from the circle of trust. I like Precious and I bet Tom does too, but the man doesn’t just change his ways like that.

Anyway, it’s all moot because a Thibs team will never be at full strength so Precious will always have a rotation spot.
"Sell the team. Sell the team. Sell the team."
User avatar
Fury
RealGM
Posts: 24,764
And1: 18,803
Joined: Mar 07, 2007
       

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#151 » by Fury » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:03 pm

The Lamma wrote:Does anyone give a fck about All Star weekend anymore?

The dunk contest used to be the one interesting component imo. But even that got ruined when they started allowing a gazillion attempts. For someone to be able to get a score of 10 on a dunk that was his sixth attempt at it is just weak sauce. I don't even know what today's rules are but I'll watch this year just because Brobi is in it.

And if it were up to me, I'd rather Brunson be resting than having to play in the meaningless game

At least we don't have to watch a stationary Burks dribbling the sht outta the pill for a week


No
User avatar
NoDopeOnSundays
RealGM
Posts: 27,477
And1: 57,225
Joined: Nov 22, 2005
         

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#152 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:04 pm

cgmw wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
cgmw wrote:IDK man, Thibs seems pretty rigid in his need for a 7 foot rim protector. He's not benching either Hartenstein or Mitch for even 1 second of any game. That means for Precious to make a 9-man regular season rotation, Thibs would have to play DDV or Hart as his backup PG. I think we all know what he'd actually do:

Hartentstein / Mitch
Randle
OG / Bogey
DDV / Hart
Brunson / Burks (or Deuce)

And in the playoffs he cuts it to an 8 man rotation, so forget about any prayer of Precious seeing the court with a healthy roster




That's not realistic, also in certain matchups there's nobody on the team better equipped for guarding power slashers. Like, we have more fouls with him in the rotation if we get matched up with the Bucks, you can go with Randle on Lopez/Portis, him on Giannis, OG on Lillard so that when they run a PnR you just switch it. He's also a better matchup for Bam than any of our guys, and he is someone you could put on Brown while OG is on Tatum. You can also play him in small ball lineups with Randle where we have somewhat of a 5 out offense, since he at least will shoot the open three.

We have a versatile player that can guard the 3-5 and play the smallball 5, you don't staple that to the bench, you figure out how to get him on the floor.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Thibs has literally never deviated from a set rotation based on matchups. He keeps exactly the same rigid 9 guys (reg season) or 8 guys (playoffs) regardless of matchup. He only deviates due to injury or once he’s decided to permanently banish you from the circle of trust.



Precious is averaging 41mpg over his last 10, he is in the Tommy boy circle of trust. He's going to figure out how to play him, it would be idiotic not to, especially since he gives us some different defensive options. He has already commented on Precious' ability to play the smallball 5 and used him and Randle together.
User avatar
sol537
RealGM
Posts: 15,468
And1: 8,025
Joined: Nov 07, 2001

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#153 » by sol537 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:09 pm

Precious is...well, Precious... because he can play next to iHart, Randle, and OG without our defense missing a beat.

You could even have line-ups of Precious @ 5, Bogs @4, and OG @3 where Bogs' weaker defense is covered for nicely but our two solid defenders.

I'm still worried about not having an elite defender off the bench (Grimes)... that might come to haunt us in the playoffs.
cgmw
RealGM
Posts: 22,545
And1: 10,445
Joined: Jul 23, 2003
Location: Winning now since 1973
Contact:
 

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#154 » by cgmw » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:12 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
cgmw wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:


That's not realistic, also in certain matchups there's nobody on the team better equipped for guarding power slashers. Like, we have more fouls with him in the rotation if we get matched up with the Bucks, you can go with Randle on Lopez/Portis, him on Giannis, OG on Lillard so that when they run a PnR you just switch it. He's also a better matchup for Bam than any of our guys, and he is someone you could put on Brown while OG is on Tatum. You can also play him in small ball lineups with Randle where we have somewhat of a 5 out offense, since he at least will shoot the open three.

We have a versatile player that can guard the 3-5 and play the smallball 5, you don't staple that to the bench, you figure out how to get him on the floor.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Thibs has literally never deviated from a set rotation based on matchups. He keeps exactly the same rigid 9 guys (reg season) or 8 guys (playoffs) regardless of matchup. He only deviates due to injury or once he’s decided to permanently banish you from the circle of trust.



Precious is averaging 41mpg over his last 10, he is in the Tommy boy circle of trust. He's going to figure out how to play him, it would be idiotic not to, especially since he gives us some different defensive options. He has already commented on Precious' ability to play the smallball 5 and used him and Randle together.

He will never play a small ball center unless it is 100% necessitated by injury.

Luckily for precious, Maniac will keep at least one 7 footer injured virtually 100% of the time.
"Sell the team. Sell the team. Sell the team."
User avatar
NoDopeOnSundays
RealGM
Posts: 27,477
And1: 57,225
Joined: Nov 22, 2005
         

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#155 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:15 pm

cgmw wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
cgmw wrote:Correct me if I’m wrong, but Thibs has literally never deviated from a set rotation based on matchups. He keeps exactly the same rigid 9 guys (reg season) or 8 guys (playoffs) regardless of matchup. He only deviates due to injury or once he’s decided to permanently banish you from the circle of trust.



Precious is averaging 41mpg over his last 10, he is in the Tommy boy circle of trust. He's going to figure out how to play him, it would be idiotic not to, especially since he gives us some different defensive options. He has already commented on Precious' ability to play the smallball 5 and used him and Randle together.

He will never play a small ball center unless it is 100% necessitated by injury.

Luckily for precious, Maniac will have at least one of his 7 footers injured virtually 100% of the time.



I think you're missing what's happening here, Precious is the new Taj, he's basically the same size as Taj as well, someone who he plays at C to this day.

He is in the circle of trust, anyone that pulls down as many rebounds as he has is going to play for Tom.
duetta
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 31,437
And1: 12,886
Joined: Aug 28, 2002
Location: Patrolling the middle....

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#156 » by duetta » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:18 pm

The Lamma wrote:Does anyone give a fck about All Star weekend anymore?

The dunk contest used to be the one interesting component imo. But even that got ruined when they started allowing a gazillion attempts. For someone to be able to get a score of 10 on a dunk that was his sixth attempt at it is just weak sauce. I don't even know what today's rules are but I'll watch this year just because Brobi is in it.

And if it were up to me, I'd rather Brunson be resting than having to play in the meaningless game

At least we don't have to watch a stationary Burks dribbling the sht outta the pill for a week


The three-point contest is the only thing worth watching. The dunk competition has become extremely boring. And the game itself is the ultimate snoozefest.
cgmw
RealGM
Posts: 22,545
And1: 10,445
Joined: Jul 23, 2003
Location: Winning now since 1973
Contact:
 

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#157 » by cgmw » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:21 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
cgmw wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

Precious is averaging 41mpg over his last 10, he is in the Tommy boy circle of trust. He's going to figure out how to play him, it would be idiotic not to, especially since he gives us some different defensive options. He has already commented on Precious' ability to play the smallball 5 and used him and Randle together.

He will never play a small ball center unless it is 100% necessitated by injury.

Luckily for precious, Maniac will have at least one of his 7 footers injured virtually 100% of the time.



I think you're missing what's happening here, Precious is the new Taj, he's basically the same size as Taj as well, someone who he plays at C to this day.

He is in the circle of trust, anyone that pulls down as many rebounds as he has is going to play for Tom.

In a hypothetical universe, where the roster is at full strength Maniac would be very wise to play a three-man center rotation. I just think of all the professional coaches in the sport, we’re talking about the least likely to change his ways.

In your ideal world where everybody is healthy, that means Mitch or Isiah gets benched. Which one? Because I don’t see it.

But like I said, moot point since a Thibs team will quite literally never be at full strength after December.
"Sell the team. Sell the team. Sell the team."
User avatar
TheGreenArrow
RealGM
Posts: 28,009
And1: 43,622
Joined: Sep 13, 2017

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#158 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:50 pm

Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g

Jalen Brunson Folkssssssssssssss Jalennnnn Brunsonnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
User avatar
DaGawd
RealGM
Posts: 38,906
And1: 51,937
Joined: Mar 11, 2014
Location: Queens, NY
     

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#159 » by DaGawd » Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:01 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g

Jalen Brunson Folkssssssssssssss Jalennnnn Brunsonnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sheesh
BaF
Washington Wizards
User avatar
3toheadmelo
RealGM
Posts: 96,305
And1: 138,229
Joined: Feb 15, 2015
 

Re: PG: Brunson survived 

Post#160 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:03 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g

Jalen Brunson Folkssssssssssssss Jalennnnn Brunsonnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whats jt thor's rating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????!!!!!!!
Image
It’s like when lil bitches make subliminal records, if it ain’t directed directly at me, I don’t respect it

Return to New York Knicks