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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#144 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:38 pm

Losing Ihart is gonna suck. Since we drafted Kolek, I would use Deuce as a way to try to get a solid Ihart replacement.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#145 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:51 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Losing Ihart is gonna suck. Since we drafted Kolek, I would use Deuce as a way to try to get a solid Ihart replacement.


What replacements for Hartenstein would you target?
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#146 » by sol537 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:02 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Losing Ihart is gonna suck. Since we drafted Kolek, I would use Deuce as a way to try to get a solid Ihart replacement.


What replacements for Hartenstein would you target?


NYK has contingency plans in place no doubt but losing iHart would suck because he’s such a perfect fit here with this team. I really hope Brunson and co. convince him to stay and help us win a chip. These guys would be immortalized in NY like the Frazer teams.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#147 » by DOT » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:05 pm

The thing with iHart is similar to the thing with OG

I don't think he's worth $18 mil a season, but if we can't re-sign him and we need to use an exception, nobody we get with that is gonna be nearly as good as him. Opportunity cost.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#148 » by mpharris36 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:11 pm

DOT wrote:The thing with iHart is similar to the thing with OG

I don't think he's worth $18 mil a season, but if we can't re-sign him and we need to use an exception, nobody we get with that is gonna be nearly as good as him. Opportunity cost.


if its Goga hopefully as I pointed out his per 36 #'s (not something you can extrapolate all the time) but they are actually pretty similar to Ihart...by no means he is a 1 for 1 replacement...but I would trust gog with 16-18 mins a night.

The problem ultimately comes back to Mitch then goes back to the starter role but if he goes down we are really thin up front and Goga and Sims unless Hawk Tuah can play but I don't know much about him.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#149 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:11 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Losing Ihart is gonna suck. Since we drafted Kolek, I would use Deuce as a way to try to get a solid Ihart replacement.


What replacements for Hartenstein would you target?

Deandre Ayton, Jonas Valucinas, Steven Adams, Jakob Poetl, Wendell Carter Jr, Brook Lopez, Ivica Zubac, Kevon Looney. Idk if these guys work cap wise but they I think their teams are making those players available so I would prob target them
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#150 » by DOT » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:19 pm

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DOT wrote:The thing with iHart is similar to the thing with OG

I don't think he's worth $18 mil a season, but if we can't re-sign him and we need to use an exception, nobody we get with that is gonna be nearly as good as him. Opportunity cost.


if its Goga hopefully as I pointed out his per 36 #'s (not something you can extrapolate all the time) but they are actually pretty similar to Ihart...by no means he is a 1 for 1 replacement...but I would trust gog with 16-18 mins a night.

The problem ultimately comes back to Mitch then goes back to the starter role but if he goes down we are really thin up front and Goga and Sims unless Hawk Tuah can play but I don't know much about him.

Well yeah that's what I mean

I like Goga, but he's not a full time starter, and I love Mitch but he won't stay healthy, so in that scenario for at least half a season your C rotation is a guy who should be a 16-18 mpg backup and 2 late 2nd round picks (one of whom has shown consistently he's not an NBA player)

That's the opportunity cost. I don't think iHart is irreplaceable, but I trust him to play at least 30 mpg and be pretty durable so I don't worry about losing him for extended periods of time. You still know Mitch is missing half the season, but at least then you know you can rely on iHart to provide starter quality play for 30 mpg before relying on fringe roster guys rather than good backup play for less than 20 mpg before your fringe roster guys.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#151 » by sol537 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:27 pm

Plan B to losing iHart is probably a center rotation of Mitch, Goga (or Valucinas), and Precious. Not the worst rotation but it reduces our title chances a bit IMO.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#152 » by mpharris36 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:27 pm

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DOT wrote:The thing with iHart is similar to the thing with OG

I don't think he's worth $18 mil a season, but if we can't re-sign him and we need to use an exception, nobody we get with that is gonna be nearly as good as him. Opportunity cost.


if its Goga hopefully as I pointed out his per 36 #'s (not something you can extrapolate all the time) but they are actually pretty similar to Ihart...by no means he is a 1 for 1 replacement...but I would trust gog with 16-18 mins a night.

The problem ultimately comes back to Mitch then goes back to the starter role but if he goes down we are really thin up front and Goga and Sims unless Hawk Tuah can play but I don't know much about him.

Well yeah that's what I mean

I like Goga, but he's not a full time starter, and I love Mitch but he won't stay healthy, so in that scenario for at least half a season your C rotation is a guy who should be a 16-18 mpg backup and 2 late 2nd round picks (one of whom has shown consistently he's not an NBA player)

That's the opportunity cost. I don't think iHart is irreplaceable, but I trust him to play at least 30 mpg and be pretty durable so I don't worry about losing him for extended periods of time. You still know Mitch is missing half the season, but at least then you know you can rely on iHart to provide starter quality play for 30 mpg before relying on fringe roster guys rather than good backup play for less than 20 mpg before your fringe roster guys.


I agree I guess the only thing you can maybe say is we never thought Ihart was s 30 minute a night guy when we originally signed him to his contract. He was only considered a 16-18 minute a night guy off the bench.

I think there was a stretch this past year Goga was getting +20 minutes as a starter (started 33 games for ORL)...he was pretty decent. I think he avg like 7 pts 7 rebounds a 2 blocks.

I don't think I would be worried about Goga jumping to 28 minutes a night...the concern would be Sims (can't play) and not sure I know what there draft pick can do...but filling those 20 mins unless Randle/OG play some backup 5.

Its not like we can even sign a 3rd string vet as insurance at this point...Is there a scenario we can then resign precious at least? Since Goga wont make nearly what Ihart was going to get would that mean we can pivot to resigning precious? That would make me feel better.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#153 » by sol537 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:31 pm

If IHart leaves then we will retain Precious on a relatively cheap deal or via his QO
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#154 » by Juco24 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:51 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Losing Ihart is gonna suck. Since we drafted Kolek, I would use Deuce as a way to try to get a solid Ihart replacement.


What replacements for Hartenstein would you target?

Deandre Ayton, Jonas Valucinas, Steven Adams, Jakob Poetl, Wendell Carter Jr, Brook Lopez, Ivica Zubac, Kevon Looney. Idk if these guys work cap wise but they I think their teams are making those players available so I would prob target them


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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#155 » by aggo » Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:07 pm

Well?
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#156 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:38 pm

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Knicks will deal Simms and some 2nds to free up the extra $ and under the apron for iShart.

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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#158 » by 2010 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 3:04 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
VirginiaKnickFan wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Losing Ihart is gonna suck. Since we drafted Kolek, I would use Deuce as a way to try to get a solid Ihart replacement.


What replacements for Hartenstein would you target?

Deandre Ayton, Jonas Valucinas, Steven Adams, Jakob Poetl, Wendell Carter Jr, Brook Lopez, Ivica Zubac, Kevon Looney. Idk if these guys work cap wise but they I think their teams are making those players available so I would prob target them


Steven Adams would be a great get and Memphis appears ready to move in another direction with the selection of Edey. Adams makes $12.6M this season.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#159 » by FrozenEnvelope » Fri Jun 28, 2024 3:11 pm

I'm not a huge iHart fan. I don't think he is a starter on a conteding team and his game 6 and 7 against Indiana and his inability to stay on the court versus Embiid soured me on him. I wouldn't mind him back but it's not the end of the world.

Ultimately our best chance at the ECF and Finals are with Mitch imho.

Luckily there are some decent veteran Centers on the market. Or we could maybe give a young guy a chance like we did with iHart.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#160 » by sol537 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 3:14 pm

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What replacements for Hartenstein would you target?

Deandre Ayton, Jonas Valucinas, Steven Adams, Jakob Poetl, Wendell Carter Jr, Brook Lopez, Ivica Zubac, Kevon Looney. Idk if these guys work cap wise but they I think their teams are making those players available so I would prob target them


Steven Adams would be a great get and Memphis appears ready to move in another direction with the selection of Edey. Adams makes $12.6M this season.


Adams sat out all of last season I believe due to injury... we'd have to do our homework big time.

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