KAT To The Knicks Part 2

[DOT]

I mean, I said I wouldn't do it a few months back, and I'm just kind of ambivalent to it

It could work out, it could not, the contract is probably gonna be an issue sooner rather than later, but it is what it is

Honestly the biggest issue is gonna be if Thibs can utilize everyone effectively. I think Thibs ball has a very hard ceiling and now that we've made the move, we're going away from Thibs ball so we have a higher ceiling, but I'm not sure Thibs is the guy to get us to that ceiling. He hasn't shown much ability to adapt before, and it's weird that we'd make a move like this when it seems like something he wouldn't sign off on.

[2010]

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[mpharris36]

if i searched all our regular posters history on here i'd find most of them talking sh*t about him in the past. it's not us who's switching up.

KAT is a flawed player...just like Julius is a flawed player.

KAT is just less of a flawed player than Randle and has bit more versatility...and doesn't have a looming contract issue.

His contract IS an issue. It doesn't get more of an issue than paying top 5 money for a player that averages 19 ppg on 57 TS% in the playoffs while being a **** defender. Like it's not a looming issue, it's a current issue we're about to trade Mitch most likely for peanuts man.

It is and it isn't. It is in the sense he's obviously paid a ton. But it isn't in the sense he's locked up. Randle isn't and the new CBA is unforgiving to in the apron that have upcoming FA unless you are willing to pay them like a cornerstone piece. Randle is turning 30 this year. He is going to opt out and ask for a 4 year contract next year at a pretty high price (his production would warrant that). Randle new contract will start at 31...KAT contract finishes potentially when he's 31.

And we dont' have to move Mitch...moving mitch would more signal they just don't buy he will ever be a healthy contributor rather then them needing to move him for money purposes right now.

Randle has his own issues and moving him at a later date for production is certainly not as easier as you seem to make it...Randle is a very challenging fitting player (talent is there but there are concerns in other areas). It wouldn't even surprise me if he isn't in Minny for terrible long.

[mpharris36]

if i searched all our regular posters history on here i'd find most of them talking sh*t about him in the past. it's not us who's switching up.

KAT is a flawed player...just like Julius is a flawed player.

KAT is just less of a flawed player than Randle and has bit more versatility...and doesn't have a looming contract issue.

he has a Availability issue tho. So that contract is kinda of an issue in some ways.

I am not a fan of the trade by no means, but I wasnt going to schit on to much, as it would be wasted energy from me.

He does..so does OG...the knicks clearly have injury and availability concerns for 2 of the most important players. That will probably sink or swim there next few seasons on the health of those two players.

I'm sure they ran a bunch of scenarios because keeping Randle has its own risks as well especially with his contract looming.

[Zenzibar]

His contract was accepted by Minny fans because he's stayed there. They don't mind paying him way more than his worth because he stuck with them all those down years. We don't have a history with him so he's just a player worth $30 mil making $56 mil to us. Then the personality fit with the Knicks just ain't strong we known as the meanest fans in the league lol.

I can understand you not liking the trade from a financial flexibility and player durability risk standpoint. But you gotta admit it’s a stretch to state KAT’s a player worth only $30 per year in salary, in today’s NBA salary landscape. Especially after the new league media rights deal and new CBA.

We’ll now routinely see role players making well north of $30 m’s.

KP just got 2/60. Randle is making $29 mil. Jrue (I got him ranked 43rd and KAT ranked 39th) is making 33.5 mil a year. Draymond (I got him over KAT) is making $25 mil a year. Bane (I have him over KAT) is making 39.5 mil a year. Derrick White is making 29.5 mil a year. AG is up and can get up to 150/4.

The only players outside the top 30 making over 40 mil a year are Sabonis (he's at least not an injury risk - iirc he got OG's contract 5/212), Pascal (4/189 which was an absurd overpay), Gobert ($40 mil per), and Jamal Murray (4/208 but at least he already got them a ring).

So instead of $30 which is a bargain deal let's say $40. It's still well short of $56.

All I needed to certify you a dummy.

[FrozenEnvelope]

I still can't say I like this trade. But then again I didn't like the OG trade. I'm taking a wait and see approach but gotta trust Leon.

I am concerned about losing some toughness on the team. Randle and DVo were two guys the other team just wouldn't mess with. You need goons. Not sure who will step up to be one.

[2010]

His contract was accepted by Minny fans because he's stayed there. They don't mind paying him way more than his worth because he stuck with them all those down years. We don't have a history with him so he's just a player worth $30 mil making $56 mil to us. Then the personality fit with the Knicks just ain't strong we known as the meanest fans in the league lol.

I can understand you not liking the trade from a financial flexibility and player durability risk standpoint. But you gotta admit it’s a stretch to state KAT’s a player worth only $30 per year in salary, in today’s NBA salary landscape. Especially after the new league media rights deal and new CBA.

We’ll now routinely see role players making well north of $30 m’s.

I have not read much of the this thread but I can imagine you all in....

I been mostly just observing the past couple days, digesting it all. E-Balla came back out the woodworks tho, so glad to see him back engaging in warfare. He inspired me to chime in a bit more.

[Chanel Bomber]

Knicks on crack if they think he can be KP.

KAT isn't KP on defense - which would've been hard to believe before they got drafted - but offensively they can be used fairly similarly. KAT's a 7-foot, 40% 3-point shooter and he's going to play with a dynamic point guard for the first time in his career. The pick-and-pop with Brunson could be deadly.

Unless Mikal forgets how to shoot, our offense should be hard to stop if they use KAT as the screener. My only concern is the lack of ball-handling on the roster with Divo gone, but we have so many efficient outlets and such a space offense that the offensive output should be impressive (assuming they stay healthy).

The key question I think is can Thibs find a scheme where OG and Mikal can cover for KAT's lack of defensive awareness. I think Thibs is actually a good coach to have in this situation because the challenges lie mostly on defense.

Let's not forget Minnesota were the #1 seed in the West for weeks with KAT and Jimmy before Jimmy got hurt. The fit should be fine, I think health is a bigger worry (across the roster).

Our offense will be good, but you can’t survive KAT at C. We have years and years of data that show it doesn’t work. That’s why the Timberwolves paid a high premium for Gobert.

I'm not sure that is definitively true.

Per bball-ref he played 100% of his minutes at C in 2017-18 where they made the playoffs and led the West for a chunk of the season. Same in 2021-22 where they also made the playoffs.

Of course Minnesota's defense and record would be better by trading picks for Gobert. He's one of the best rim protectors in NBA history.

Lack of talent and poor management explained Minnesota's mediocrity to a large degree. Moreso than which position KAT played imo.

[E-Balla]

new league media rights deal and new CBA.

We’ll now routinely see role players making well north of $30 m’s.

Excellent point I forgot about...The salary cap will increase and we will be in better financial shape than most teams...

Depends. Last year was the lowest cap increase as a percentage we've had in a long time despite the media deal being signed. The cap projections have us at 200 mil in 5 years, but last deal we signed the cap jumped way more than expected and I think that's how people are calculating future projections. Maybe that's what the team is hoping saves us from these contracts. If the cap is $180 mil by 2026/27 then these deals look way better.

[HerSports85]

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[jvsimonetti0514]

His contract was accepted by Minny fans because he's stayed there. They don't mind paying him way more than his worth because he stuck with them all those down years. We don't have a history with him so he's just a player worth $30 mil making $56 mil to us. Then the personality fit with the Knicks just ain't strong we known as the meanest fans in the league lol.

I can understand you not liking the trade from a financial flexibility and player durability risk standpoint. But you gotta admit it’s a stretch to state KAT’s a player worth only $30 per year in salary, in today’s NBA salary landscape. Especially after the new league media rights deal and new CBA.

We’ll now routinely see role players making well north of $30 m’s.

I have not read much of the this thread but I can imagine you all in....

As someone that usually leaves at the first sign of toxicity, it’s been extremely entertaining.

[aggo]

new league media rights deal and new CBA.

We’ll now routinely see role players making well north of $30 m’s.

Excellent point I forgot about...The salary cap will increase and we will be in better financial shape than most teams...

The knicks are on a different level

Bc we signed everyone to a max contract before the new cba and media rights,

Their salary increases and max contracts are based off of the old cap and old cba limits

Having a guy that signed a max contract with the old cba is going to be a lot less hit to the cap under the new cba bc the salary cap can only go up 10% yoy while that players’ salary occupies less and less % of the cap because they signed their max 25-35% contract when the cap was at a much lower number.

[2010]

His contract was accepted by Minny fans because he's stayed there. They don't mind paying him way more than his worth because he stuck with them all those down years. We don't have a history with him so he's just a player worth $30 mil making $56 mil to us. Then the personality fit with the Knicks just ain't strong we known as the meanest fans in the league lol.

I can understand you not liking the trade from a financial flexibility and player durability risk standpoint. But you gotta admit it’s a stretch to state KAT’s a player worth only $30 per year in salary, in today’s NBA salary landscape. Especially after the new league media rights deal and new CBA.

We’ll now routinely see role players making well north of $30 m’s.

KP just got 2/60. Randle is making $29 mil. Jrue (I got him ranked 43rd and KAT ranked 39th) is making 33.5 mil a year. Draymond (I got him over KAT) is making $25 mil a year. Bane (I have him over KAT) is making 39.5 mil a year. Derrick White is making 29.5 mil a year. AG is up and can get up to 150/4.

The only players outside the top 30 making over 40 mil a year are Sabonis (he's at least not an injury risk - iirc he got OG's contract 5/212), Pascal (4/189 which was an absurd overpay), Gobert ($40 mil per), and Jamal Murray (4/208 but at least he already got them a ring).

So instead of $30 which is a bargain deal let's say $40. It's still well short of $56.

Labeling him a $40-45m player is reasonable. I can get behind that. But the scale will definitely be sliding up in a major way going forward. And the salary cap will be adjusting accordingly. The league will be increasing it incrementally rather than in one dramatic increase. But long term I don’t think the financial outlook is as bleak as it seems today. When we take into account where the salary and cap trends are heading with the increases.

[Stannis]

Brunson / McBride / Payne
Bridges / McBride / Hart
OG / Hart
Precious /KAT / Hart
KAT / Mitchell

IMHO, KAT has gotten accustomed to playing around Gobert these last 2 years. KAT will need to play along side players like Mitchell and Precious to do the dirty work. Hart is undersized and won't cut it.

If I'm being completely honest, health still looks like it's going to be the biggest issue.

KAT, Mitch, OG... our front court is fragile as fvk

[stuporman]

The most key acquisition this off season....that doctor from Dallas with all the brittle players the Knicks have. Better be a witch doctor that can whip up some serious voodoo because it's going to be a tough job keeping all these guys healthy come playoff time.

[E-Balla]

I can understand you not liking the trade from a financial flexibility and player durability risk standpoint. But you gotta admit it’s a stretch to state KAT’s a player worth only $30 per year in salary, in today’s NBA salary landscape. Especially after the new league media rights deal and new CBA.

We’ll now routinely see role players making well north of $30 m’s.

KP just got 2/60. Randle is making $29 mil. Jrue (I got him ranked 43rd and KAT ranked 39th) is making 33.5 mil a year. Draymond (I got him over KAT) is making $25 mil a year. Bane (I have him over KAT) is making 39.5 mil a year. Derrick White is making 29.5 mil a year. AG is up and can get up to 150/4.

The only players outside the top 30 making over 40 mil a year are Sabonis (he's at least not an injury risk - iirc he got OG's contract 5/212), Pascal (4/189 which was an absurd overpay), Gobert ($40 mil per), and Jamal Murray (4/208 but at least he already got them a ring).

So instead of $30 which is a bargain deal let's say $40. It's still well short of $56.

All I needed to certify you a dummy.

The Warriors were 33-22 with Draymond and 13-14 without him last year. He's still one of the 5 best defensive players in the league that can't be understated.

[3toheadmelo]

KAT isn't KP on defense - which would've been hard to believe before they got drafted - but offensively they can be used fairly similarly. KAT's a 7-foot, 40% 3-point shooter and he's going to play with a dynamic point guard for the first time in his career. The pick-and-pop with Brunson could be deadly.

Unless Mikal forgets how to shoot, our offense should be hard to stop if they use KAT as the screener. My only concern is the lack of ball-handling on the roster with Divo gone, but we have so many efficient outlets and such a space offense that the offensive output should be impressive (assuming they stay healthy).

The key question I think is can Thibs find a scheme where OG and Mikal can cover for KAT's lack of defensive awareness. I think Thibs is actually a good coach to have in this situation because the challenges lie mostly on defense.

Let's not forget Minnesota were the #1 seed in the West for weeks with KAT and Jimmy before Jimmy got hurt. The fit should be fine, I think health is a bigger worry (across the roster).

Our offense will be good, but you can’t survive KAT at C. We have years and years of data that show it doesn’t work. That’s why the Timberwolves paid a high premium for Gobert.

I'm not sure that is definitively true.

Per bball-ref he played 100% of his minutes at C in 2017-18 where they made the playoffs and led the West for a chunk of the season. Same in 2021-22 where they also made the playoffs.

Of course Minnesota's defense and record would be better by trading picks for Gobert. He's one of the best rim protectors in NBA history.

Lack of talent and poor management explained Minnesota's mediocrity to a large degree. Moreso than which position KAT played imo.

They never got past the first round with KAT at C. Their defensive ratings were in the lower end of the league when he played C. These aren’t good signs man.

[E-Balla]

Not my fault E Balls is a clueless liar. No one cooked the Knicks defense in the playoffs. That's RIDICULOUS to suggest. The team fell apart and was coasting on fumes and made it a game away from the ECF. We beat Philly so...where was the cooking? NONE of the defensive players we have were even on the floor much of the Indy series except for Deuce.

Welcome to the wide world of facts.

Actually (Please Use More Appropriate Word) in real life.

You're a wind bag. Blow yourself away. You have been crying like a little girl about things and lying about or over exaggerating things to do so. Insulting everyone on the board. Non stop for two days.

Bye.

I'm insulting YOU and YOU keep mentioning me. I ain't say **** to you besides tell you you're beneath me and you're mad I won't engage while constantly talking about having me muted. But you unmuting to read me insult you because you want approval from daddy.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

KAT isn't KP on defense - which would've been hard to believe before they got drafted - but offensively they can be used fairly similarly. KAT's a 7-foot, 40% 3-point shooter and he's going to play with a dynamic point guard for the first time in his career. The pick-and-pop with Brunson could be deadly.

Unless Mikal forgets how to shoot, our offense should be hard to stop if they use KAT as the screener. My only concern is the lack of ball-handling on the roster with Divo gone, but we have so many efficient outlets and such a space offense that the offensive output should be impressive (assuming they stay healthy).

The key question I think is can Thibs find a scheme where OG and Mikal can cover for KAT's lack of defensive awareness. I think Thibs is actually a good coach to have in this situation because the challenges lie mostly on defense.

Let's not forget Minnesota were the #1 seed in the West for weeks with KAT and Jimmy before Jimmy got hurt. The fit should be fine, I think health is a bigger worry (across the roster).

Our offense will be good, but you can’t survive KAT at C. We have years and years of data that show it doesn’t work. That’s why the Timberwolves paid a high premium for Gobert.

I'm not sure that is definitively true.

Per bball-ref he played 100% of his minutes at C in 2017-18 where they made the playoffs and led the West for a chunk of the season. Same in 2021-22 where they also made the playoffs.

Of course Minnesota's defense and record would be better by trading picks for Gobert. He's one of the best rim protectors in NBA history.

Lack of talent and poor management explained Minnesota's mediocrity to a large degree. Moreso than which position KAT played imo.

Looks like ChaHell and I are on the same side.

[knicksstuff]

new league media rights deal and new CBA.

We’ll now routinely see role players making well north of $30 m’s.

Excellent point I forgot about...The salary cap will increase and we will be in better financial shape than most teams...

Salary cap goes up 10% every year KAT contract only increase by 8% we are in a good position