PG: The hair foul game

[Galvationknicks]

Shouldn't be able to flop on last Minute of any game

[Context]

Championship caliber talent, but an established, set in his ways coach with cartoonish-level flaws to the point where some games/situations/trends are laughably predictable.

I can't believe they signed this guy, whose most talked about postseason accomplishment in his 13 years as a HC is that his teams repeatedly underachieve and/or burn out, to a three year extension starting after this season that will take him through age 70.

I have such high hopes for this team, and at the beginning of the season my only major concern was injury. Even though I have always believed Thibs needed to be moved on from eventually, I thought the talent could outweigh his flaws as a coach. I'm not so sure about that anymore, and it makes me frustrated because they just committed huge money to this guy for the next 4 years.

This game was demoralizing, but I really hate how it makes me feel about the bigger picture.

I think its fair...no one can argue that Thibs (regardless of how he got the roster) has no choice but to play Huk and Tyler..
We lost 3 games off the top of my head because of fatigue and we're only 11 games in...
As far as the money- no need to worry about that - we can pay 3 more coaches 80 million and fire them all- wont effect our cap...

[SelbyCobra]

The Leon nepotism train has always given me concern, but damn if he hasn't produced banger after banger with his friends and family.

Thibs is the Randle of coaching to me. You know what he is, he can look outstanding, help establish/carry you in the right time periods, but he's not the guy to push all your chips in for and rely on to drive success when it comes to competing at a championship level and battling the best of the best.

Leon came to this conclusion about Julius. Unfortunately Thibs is one of his best friends.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Appreciate him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arguably the best Knick of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Context]

Still holding out reservations. Still believe they'll get it together. But my god, Thibs better trust his bench more.

It’s not about trusting just anybody and playing them like that’s what’s going to lead to wins. Pac playing ten minutes this game doesn’t ensure victory today or in the future.

The issue is we lost iHart to free agency, Mitch and Precious to injury, Julius and Donte to trade, and we only got back Towns. We lost four veteran rotation players, and we didn’t/don’t have the money to replace them.

Ihart is gone- never coming back but our players are here and we can play them- and if we dont and we continue to play these starters heavy minutes they will fall apart during the season and in the play-offs -as they did last season.
those "issues" are in the "past" - we have control over minutes for our current players...

[Galvationknicks]

Historical Data (because why not):

22-23 Season (11 Games)

5-6 Record
O-Rating: 23rd
D-Rating: 19th
Net Rating: 22nd

23-24 Season (11 Games)

6-5 Record
O-Rating: 15th
D-Rating: 5th
Net Rating: 7th

24-25 Season (11 Games)

5-6 Record
O-Rating: 4th
D-Rating: 19th
Net Rating: 8th

Who was not expecting it. Get rdy for the 10 game win streak in December.

It's been like this for years
Thibs gonna Thibs. We saw this last year

[Guano]

Right. I can't call it.

All I know is that this isn't sustainable and by the end of the game guys were gassed and committing mental errors. Just like the Pacers game.

we saw the bench give us good mins tonight, too. but like you said we will end up with players missing major time if he doesn't start playing his bench.

Thibs is scaring me right now

I know that the roster is top heavy but he has to find ways to get guys some rest throughout the game so that they aren't so gassed that they miss FTs and commit critical errors in the 4th.

I don't think that letting Kolek or Dadiet get some short mins in the 1st and 3rd will be a disaster. But again. I don't know enough to second guess Thibs, but he may want to weigh the risks here.

Running the top 6 into the ground by Christmas vs letting the young guys get a few mins so that the starters aren't spent with 5 mins left in the game, which also risks injuries...the goal is getting these guys to late April by any means necessary.

also those kids might be able to actually contribute late in the year

[Context]

The Leon nepotism train has always given me concern, but damn if he hasn't produced banger after banger with his friends and family.

Thibs is the Randle of coaching to me. You know what he is, he can look outstanding, help establish/carry you in the right time periods, but he's not the guy to push all your chips in for and rely on to drive success when it comes to competing at a championship level and battling the best of the best.

Leon came to this conclusion about Julius. Unfortunately Thibs is one of his best friends.

If Thibs doesnt evolve- we will find out how much of a "Don" Leon is...Business is Business...Friendship is friendship...

[The KnicksFix]

The Leon nepotism train has always given me concern, but damn if he hasn't produced banger after banger with his friends and family.

Thibs is the Randle of coaching to me. You know what he is, he can look outstanding, help establish/carry you in the right time periods, but he's not the guy to push all your chips in for and rely on to drive success when it comes to competing at a championship level and battling the best of the best.

Leon came to this conclusion about Julius. Unfortunately Thibs is one of his best friends.

If Thibs doesnt evolve- we will find out how much of a "Don" Leon is...Business is Business...Friendship is friendship...

BRING JAY WRIGHT IN

[Guano]

Except he was a +4 so when he was out there we won

Plus minus is a terrible stat to use. There are none other guys on the floor determining that number. Plus, even in a vacuum, a +4 against the Bulls when you have 46 means your defense must’ve been terrible! The Bulls aren’t good!!!!

Even from that perspective it’s clear by the stat his offensive output was still enough to make up for whatever defensive lapse there was. I can’t say the same for several other players tonight. And he carried the offensive load. Where was anybody else to step up and make a play? Even OG somehow got cooked by Patrick Williams. And when we effectively had the game won twice, the two fouls on the other end to lose the game were not him.

vuc +14

[evevale]

just finished watching highlights after a miserable day @ work - this is what i took away from it



sad to see it end in a loss but it's november & i really can't bring myself to care

[3toheadmelo]

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[The KnicksFix]

Historical Data (because why not):

22-23 Season (11 Games)

5-6 Record
O-Rating: 23rd
D-Rating: 19th
Net Rating: 22nd

23-24 Season (11 Games)

6-5 Record
O-Rating: 15th
D-Rating: 5th
Net Rating: 7th

24-25 Season (11 Games)

5-6 Record
O-Rating: 4th
D-Rating: 19th
Net Rating: 8th

Who was not expecting it. Get rdy for the 10 game win streak in December.

It's been like this for years
Thibs gonna Thibs. We saw this last year

We added hart at the deadline one year, then added OG the deadline the next. We dont have anyone else to add this year

[The KnicksFix]

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This tweet is from 2020 lol

[sol537]

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KAT + Dadiet + WAS 1st for Giannis… who says no?

[Synciere]

Still holding out reservations. Still believe they'll get it together. But my god, Thibs better trust his bench more.

It’s not about trusting just anybody and playing them like that’s what’s going to lead to wins. Pac playing ten minutes this game doesn’t ensure victory today or in the future.

The issue is we lost iHart to free agency, Mitch and Precious to injury, Julius and Donte to trade, and we only got back Towns. We lost four veteran rotation players, and we didn’t/don’t have the money to replace them.

Ihart is gone- never coming back but our players are here and we can play them- and if we dont and we continue to play these starters heavy minutes they will fall apart during the season and in the play-offs -as they did last season.
those "issues" are in the "past" - we have control over minutes for our current players...

Yes we have control over their minutes, but not the outcomes of those minutes. There are reasons most experienced coaches with winning teams don’t play rookies and young players except the top 3 picks or whatever. Look at every contender this year and you’ll see either no rookies or one rookie in their rotations. The Nuggets went from everyone thinking they’re a dynasty to getting knocked out in the second round after losing guys like Bruce Brown and KCP. Thibs (rightfully) doesn’t trust guys like Kolek, Pac, and Huk yet. Payne and Sims are minimum players. We can play them but it won’t lead to wins.

[stuporman]

Just watched the last 3 mins of the game and I'm more ticked about the call on Brunson, he intercepted the ball so he's in possession of it, if there's a foul it's on the Bulls players running into him not the other way around.

At least it should be a loose ball and Brunson has as much of a right to try to get the ball as the Bulls player so it's not a default that any contact is a foul on him.

The hair foul sucked but if touching a player taking a jump shot is a foul there's a dozen a game on Brunson that are never called. The inconsistency is despicable when they decide the game with a whistle.

The whole beginning of this season the Knicks shots have been spinning out more often than I can remember seeing and of course this game comes down to a shot that spins out.

Nasty work by those creep crumb bum refs.

[The KnicksFix]

Just watched the last 3 mins of the game and I'm more ticked about the call on Brunson, he intercepted the ball so he's in possession of it, if there's a foul it's on the Bulls players running into him not the other way around.

At least it should be a loose ball and Brunson has as much of a right to try to get the ball as the Bulls player so it's not a default that any contact is a foul on him.

The hair foul sucked but if touching a player taking a jump shot is a foul there's a dozen a game on Brunson that are never called. The inconsistency is despicable when they decide the game with a whistle.

Nasty work by those creep crumb bum refs.

Game doesn’t come down to the last possession. I’m tired of Mikal getting absolutely cooked by opposing wing players or guards. He’s TRASH defensively and a large reason why we were down so much

[dakomish23]

The minutes are getting to be ridiculous, 43 from Bridges on the second night of a back to back, 39 for Karl.

If the only way for you to coach and be competitive is to drive guys into the ground, you're probably not a great coach.

[The KnicksFix]

It’s not about trusting just anybody and playing them like that’s what’s going to lead to wins. Pac playing ten minutes this game doesn’t ensure victory today or in the future.

The issue is we lost iHart to free agency, Mitch and Precious to injury, Julius and Donte to trade, and we only got back Towns. We lost four veteran rotation players, and we didn’t/don’t have the money to replace them.

Ihart is gone- never coming back but our players are here and we can play them- and if we dont and we continue to play these starters heavy minutes they will fall apart during the season and in the play-offs -as they did last season.
those "issues" are in the "past" - we have control over minutes for our current players...

Yes we have control over their minutes, but not the outcomes of those minutes. There are reasons most experienced coaches with winning teams don’t play rookies and young players except the top 3 picks or whatever. Look at every contender this year and you’ll see either no rookies or one rookie in their rotations. The Nuggets went from everyone thinking they’re a dynasty to getting knocked out in the second round after losing guys like Bruce Brown and KCP. Thibs (rightfully) doesn’t trust guys like Kolek, Pac, and Huk yet. Payne and Sims are minimum players. We can play them but it won’t lead to wins.

If you dont want to play dadiet, fine. But there is absolutely no reason why Hukporti doesn’t get to play, yet Sims loses the ball off his fingertips at least once a game.