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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#141 » by The KnicksFix » Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:22 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Bridges is pure ass.

if we don't make a finales with this core, this has the potential to go down as one of the worst trades in franchise history.
still early, but so far it looks terrible.


He looks terrible out there. A good benching and letting deuce take his minutes is deserved. Mikal refuses to get around screens and is frequently confused on defense. Brunson literally pushed him out of the way one play because he didn’t switch in time. It’s not even an excuse of “he didn’t play defense in two years so he forgot how to” no… he’s literally not making an effort and getting burned over and over in pick and roll
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#142 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:58 pm

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A Thibs coached team is like a fish out of water without an elite rim protector.




We've had a top 5 defense 1 time in his 5 years, we've been 3, 10, 19, 11 and 20 (now). Last season Mitch had a 118.7 DRTG when he was on the court, we were horrible defensively against teams that could shoot which is why the Pacers gave us so much trouble all throughout the season.


Today's game wasn't rim protection, it was giving up the most threes the Jazz have hit since 2022. A shocking number of them were on 1 pass off a screen because of how we defend screens. That keeps happening to us because Tom refuses to switch, it's why random bigs the last couple years would have career games against us from three. Tonight we were asking a 6'4" and 6'7" guys to go over a screen and then try and close out on a 7 footer who is one of the best catch and shoot 3 point shooters in the league. You have to switch against that, you live with them hitting Kessler on the roll and him making plays, or letting them get shots at the rim and trying to force them into long 2s

Our coach has the team selling out the 3 to protect the paint. We have a similar roster makeup as the Rockets, yet they are good defensively because they switch and they also put their center on the worst shooter when they can. At the most fundamental level we guard every team the same regardless of what they do well.

Sengun has been actually a damn good rim protector this year and is contesting a bunch of shots down there. KAT hasn't been good at protecting the rim at all. I guarantee if KAT was on this level we would be way better.
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They don't put him in a drop, they switch and they bench him in games for Jabari, using DFG% to point out he's a good rim protector is ignoring how they use him to achieve that. If we did the things they do, KAT would be better.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#143 » by iLLSonChandla » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:07 pm

Bridges sucks
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#144 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:12 pm

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We've had a top 5 defense 1 time in his 5 years, we've been 3, 10, 19, 11 and 20 (now). Last season Mitch had a 118.7 DRTG when he was on the court, we were horrible defensively against teams that could shoot which is why the Pacers gave us so much trouble all throughout the season.


Today's game wasn't rim protection, it was giving up the most threes the Jazz have hit since 2022. A shocking number of them were on 1 pass off a screen because of how we defend screens. That keeps happening to us because Tom refuses to switch, it's why random bigs the last couple years would have career games against us from three. Tonight we were asking a 6'4" and 6'7" guys to go over a screen and then try and close out on a 7 footer who is one of the best catch and shoot 3 point shooters in the league. You have to switch against that, you live with them hitting Kessler on the roll and him making plays, or letting them get shots at the rim and trying to force them into long 2s

Our coach has the team selling out the 3 to protect the paint. We have a similar roster makeup as the Rockets, yet they are good defensively because they switch and they also put their center on the worst shooter when they can. At the most fundamental level we guard every team the same regardless of what they do well.

Sengun has been actually a damn good rim protector this year and is contesting a bunch of shots down there. KAT hasn't been good at protecting the rim at all. I guarantee if KAT was on this level we would be way better.
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They don't put him in a drop, they switch and they bench him in games for Jabari, using DFG% to point out he's a good rim protector is ignoring how they use him to achieve that. If we did the things they do, KAT would be better.

This isn’t about being in drop coverage or not. It’s simply about knowing how to contest shots.

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#145 » by Spree2Houston » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:18 pm

Yeah we need to start Mitch come playoff time. I will sacrifice offense for some defense. We can go 5 out depending on matchups.

Brunson/Payne
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#146 » by prophet_of_rage » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:20 pm

The Knicks were pne note until they threw in the Payne and Sims because they change the offence a little.

When we lose everybody has a bad night so it can't be a personnel issue.

And I'm over pretending the Knicks will be good defensively. They will not be a good defensive team with Brunson and KAT on the floor. The Knicks are forced into rotation too much. Hart and Bridges are not good low.men.

You coukd see the Knicks toplock the pindown screens but they are sending the man right into a 6'6 low man who will not disrupt a lob or backdoor lay up attempt.

If you can disruot our offence we got nothing for you because we can't stop snybody and everybody plays the same style so the opposing team never has to adjust.

Collecting the Infinity Stones didn't work for Thanos long term. Might not work for the Knicks, either.

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#147 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:22 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Sengun has been actually a damn good rim protector this year and is contesting a bunch of shots down there. KAT hasn't been good at protecting the rim at all. I guarantee if KAT was on this level we would be way better.
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They don't put him in a drop, they switch and they bench him in games for Jabari, using DFG% to point out he's a good rim protector is ignoring how they use him to achieve that. If we did the things they do, KAT would be better.

This isn’t about being in drop coverage or not. It’s simply about knowing how to contest shots.

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The Rockets don't play defense like we do, again, they switch and have him meet guys at the level on screens. In your clip he's even guarding Hart in the game against us and leaving him to go protect the rim, when is the last time we put KAT on the worst shooter in a lineup so he could roam? You can look for as many videos as you want, they do not run the same scheme as us.

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That is how they play defense, where as all anyone has to do is watch our game last night, we were dying on one screen because we kept going over or under them and not switching. One pass and a three without even getting into the paint because we refused to switch against Lauri.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#148 » by Reign23 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:30 pm

Worst_to_First wrote:I am worried about KAT’s current cold streak. He is clearly affected by it to a point I think he is too conscious about his 3FG%. I think is what screwed him in that Mavs series. Should adopt more of a next shot goes in idgaf attitude and/or look to get more points on the inside or FT line.

his what? :lol:
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#149 » by prophet_of_rage » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:33 pm

iLLSonChandla wrote:Trade Bridges for Ingram
That's who I always wanted. He was sitting right there. A real bucket who will be a 1st option.

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#150 » by Reign23 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:36 pm

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gratz brother! Today, I am happy for you! :D
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#151 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:42 pm

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They don't put him in a drop, they switch and they bench him in games for Jabari, using DFG% to point out he's a good rim protector is ignoring how they use him to achieve that. If we did the things they do, KAT would be better.

This isn’t about being in drop coverage or not. It’s simply about knowing how to contest shots.

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The Rockets don't play defense like we do, again, they switch and have him meet guys at the level on screens. In your clip he's even guarding Hart in the game against us and leaving him to go protect the rim, when is the last time we put KAT on the worst shooter in a lineup so he could roam? You can look for as many videos as you want, they do not run the same scheme as us.

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That is how they play defense, where as all anyone has to do is watch our game last night, we were dying on one screen because we kept going over or under them and not switching. One pass and a three without even getting into the paint because we refused to switch against Lauri.

There's literally clips in there of him guarding Wemby and leaving him to protect the rim. Is Wemby not a big time offensive threat? :lol: even some drop coverage in there too

You can post all the clips you want about KAT too and blame everyone else but the guy simply doesn't have the IQ to switch and rim protect like Houston is doing with Sengun. He's out here switching and guarding multiple players like we saw Hukporti do for us that night when he played. If Huk can do it then I am pretty sure it isn't a scheme issue.

And the Knicks have actually put KAT on the worst shooter to let him protect the rim and he still couldn't do it. There's a clips in here that show KAT being left on Giddey, Amen Thompson so he can protect the rim and he does nothing.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/11/18/24299280/karl-anthony-towns-new-york-knicks-offense-defense
Right now, it’s a delicate dance until Robinson and Achiuwa return. Even then, there are issues that may just be endemic with Towns at the five—sometimes, in those aforementioned situations where Anunoby is guarding the center and KAT is hiding out on a lower-usage option, no rotation ever comes. Here he is 2.9-ing the paint as Alperen Sengun drives by Anunoby—who’s shading Houston’s center towards help that never comes from the baseline—for a layup:


And here, against the Bulls, Anunoby checks Nikola Vucevic so Towns can stick to Josh Giddey. Bridges could’ve done a better job staying attached at the point of attack, but again, no help comes:

Just how troubling has it been? Opponents are shooting 70.8 percent at the rim when KAT’s on the court and 54.2 percent when he’s off it. (The league average is currently 65.7 percent.) More directly, according to Bball-Index, opposing field goal percentages at the rim when Towns defends a shot are 13.1 percent higher than the shooter’s expected average. This number is so terrible for a big man that the second worst starting center in the category is Vucevic at … 4.8 percent.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#152 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:43 pm

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gratz brother! Today, I am happy for you! :D

Damn, you're admitting you're happy the Knicks lost. I figured you were a closet Toronto fan :lol:
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#153 » by Gravy » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:44 pm

Mikal is funny he makes one shot and thinks he's Durant the rest of the night.

They really need Deuce back, he would take the minutes of whoever is having a bad night between Mikal and Hart. Right now the team is only six NBA players. If the starters are having a bad night they dont have a bench that can help them. The rookies are far from ready to help.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#154 » by spree2kawhi » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:45 pm

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iLLSonChandla wrote:Trade Bridges for Ingram
That's who I always wanted. He was sitting right there. A real bucket who will be a 1st option.

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I’m glad we got Bridges instead.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#155 » by F N 11 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:45 pm

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KnicksGadfly wrote:Really weird that Sims had only 9 minutes. He seemed like our most effective player today. We went on runs with him.


He, OG, and Payne showed up today. Sometimes Hart. That's about it.

Only Thibs would finally get good games from Sims and play him 9 minutes against big teams Thibs is not good.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#156 » by stuporman » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:46 pm

I blame Buzz, he went out partying in Salt Lake City enjoying that 'sister wives' experience it effected the Knicks performance. Sad he cares more about his laziness not wanting to make game threads he doesn't want the Knicks to keep winning. Terrible person.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#157 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:48 pm

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iLLSonChandla wrote:Trade Bridges for Ingram
That's who I always wanted. He was sitting right there. A real bucket who will be a 1st option.

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We basically gave up a package for a role player that should've netted us someone of Ingram's caliber. And everyone ate that up because they were obsessed with the dumb villanova thing.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#158 » by prophet_of_rage » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:50 pm

The KnicksFix wrote:So I’m watching the game back now since I dvr’ed it
Was watching on my phone earlier since I was out with my girl and what I’m noticing at least thru the first half as I’m playing and replaying the times we were scored on.
It’s hart that’s getting beat at the three point line. Then if he gets picked off he’s a step slow forcing kat to help. Once the roll man sees this, he’s dishing off to the pick man, and hart is slow to recover there too.
Defensively, the weakest link at least thru the first half, is hart
Hart closes out to chase the man off the 3 point line. He',s supposed to sendnhim into help. KAT doesn't bother anybody and then the next rotation does not help.

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#159 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:51 pm

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You frustrated? It should be pretty-much accepted that the team will be up-and-down without consistency until Precious and Mitch are back.

You can’t win consistently when you’re relying on outscoring opponents. One off shooting night will equate to a loss if you’re not an above average team defensively.

If we are hoping two JAGS in MIA Mitch and Precious are going to save the season then the season is already over. Certainly as far as being a real playoff team
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Jazz 

Post#160 » by Reign23 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:52 pm

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gratz brother! Today, I am happy for you! :D

Damn, you're admitting you're happy the Knicks lost. I figured you were a closet Toronto fan :lol:

:lol: nice try!
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