Ex-Knicks, Sh**posts, and Old Trades - OH MY!

[thebuzzardman]

I would totally eat Escobar hippo.

Dinner is served

Too skinny

Hell yeah! Warm in the winter, shade in the summer!

[The KnicksFix]

Julius played a major role in the Knicks resurgence and I don't lose sight of that. But the contrast between how unlikeable he is and how likeable KAT is is staggering.

**** that and **** him.

He was a paid mercenary.

He got his gold in blood, he gets no praise for that.

Selfish sniveling pouting lunatic.

Randle is who those who hate on Melo think he is.

the difference between Julius and Melo was that Melo had an offensive bag and scored at a higher clip, but they were both selfish

[Clyde_Style]

The Knicks have now had SEVEN players from the 2015 draft play for them:
KAT - 1st pick
KP - 4th pick
Mario Hezonja - 5th pick
Emmanuel Mudiay - 8th pick
Cam Payne - 14th pick
Bobby Portis - 22nd pick
Willy Hernangomez - 35th pick

We really looked at one of the worst drafts in the new century and said, lets have 20+% of these guys play for us in the next decade

yet we saved the best for last

[Clyde_Style]

This may be a helpful link for some former Knicks fans

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/search/roo#search=1~gallery~0~0

[Clyde_Style]

And while I’m at it **** Shane Larkin and Ricky Ledo

and Pablo Escobar

[Jeff Van Gully]

Julius played a major role in the Knicks resurgence and I don't lose sight of that. But the contrast between how unlikeable he is and how likeable KAT is is staggering.

**** that and **** him.

He was a paid mercenary.

He got his gold in blood, he gets no praise for that.

Selfish sniveling pouting lunatic.

Randle is who those who hate on Melo think he is.

i find this take so weird about players who take less than max money out of the kindness of the hearts. even if the player is flawed, dudes really leave money on the table on purpose and get talked about like this.

randle and melo aren't the same level of player. but they both did that. i don't think it was unreasonable to want his max after taking a team-friendly deal prior.

[NYKinMIA]

bitch ass...

Read on Twitter

bitch.

[Jeff Van Gully]

bitch ass...

Read on Twitter

bitch.

ngl that's bout some sorry ass ****. i thought it was "play basketball" and "just another game."

[Juco24]

bitch ass...

Read on Twitter

bitch.

ngl that's bout some sorry ass ****. i thought it was "play basketball" and "just another game."

I was one who supported Randle... but watching his selfishness last night -- quite disappointing and definitely glad he's no longer a Knick. BITCH!

[KnicksGadfly]

Julius played a major role in the Knicks resurgence and I don't lose sight of that. But the contrast between how unlikeable he is and how likeable KAT is is staggering.

**** that and **** him.

He was a paid mercenary.

He got his gold in blood, he gets no praise for that.

Selfish sniveling pouting lunatic.

Randle is who those who hate on Melo think he is.

i find this take so weird about players who take less than max money out of the kindness of the hearts. even if the player is flawed, dudes really leave money on the table on purpose and get talked about like this.

randle and melo aren't the same level of player. but they both did that. i don't think it was unreasonable to want his max after taking a team-friendly deal prior.

Yah. I don’t blame Randle or IHart or Quickley or any of those dudes for the money thing. I appreciate Brunson for what he does and I think he should get rewarded for it but at the same time, everyone needs to keep in mind how the Celtics treated IT.

Randle had an idea of his value and the Knicks had a different idea. That’s pretty much it.

[KnicksGadfly]

bitch ass...

Read on Twitter

bitch.

ngl that's bout some sorry ass ****. i thought it was "play basketball" and "just another game."

I was one who supported Randle... but watching his selfishness last night -- quite disappointing and definitely glad he's no longer a Knick. BITCH!

Eh, I’m one who disliked Randle, then supported Randle, then stopped supporting Randle. However, I gotta push back on this one.

This is a tough loss for him. His former team comes to team, blows out his current team. That’s already bad. Then the guy who they traded you for had an amazing unicorn performance. And then the crowd is booing, which we know Randle hates. Not to mention the trade rumors around him already.

Hell, I wouldn’t talk to anybody too.

[robillionaire]

Julius played a major role in the Knicks resurgence and I don't lose sight of that. But the contrast between how unlikeable he is and how likeable KAT is is staggering.

**** that and **** him.

He was a paid mercenary.

He got his gold in blood, he gets no praise for that.

Selfish sniveling pouting lunatic.

Randle is who those who hate on Melo think he is.

i find this take so weird about players who take less than max money out of the kindness of the hearts. even if the player is flawed, dudes really leave money on the table on purpose and get talked about like this.

randle and melo aren't the same level of player. but they both did that. i don't think it was unreasonable to want his max after taking a team-friendly deal prior.

I look at it like this, melo eventually played so badly and selfishly to the point the Knicks were one of the worst teams in the nba and he also refused to be traded until all we could get was enes kanter (im not calling this dipshittu freedom he can call himself whatever he wants) and a 2nd round pick. He bled the organization dry took every dime he could and ultimately left the Knicks in shambles

Randle was an all star until the end here, the team was actually pretty good in his last days on the Knicks, we traded him at his peak and ultimately landed us a hall of fame center in towns. What his next contract would or wouldn’t have been is just speculation and ultimately I think Leon had planned to use him as our trade chip all along and he definitely wanted Towns all along so there probably wasn’t ever going to be another extension. Folks can hate Randle all they want but the end result of his tenure was we were able to trade him for a superstar. People wanted to trade him in a salary dump every time he was in a slump but Leon was patient and played the long game and got the big fish. It’s the best outcome we could have realistically expected. We signed him as a role player PF for nothing in 2019 and it turned into towns. Crazy when you think about it. Personally I think he should get some credit for working so hard in the offseasons to improve his game but by the end he was already at and pushing far above whatever his ceiling as a player was supposed be or how far a team can go with him being featured

Also gotta credit Thibs. He did a lot to build Randle’s value over the course of 5 years and he massively inflated Donte’s value in 1 year. I don’t see how not to give him a large portion the credit other than giving that to Leon too since he was smart enough to hire him.

Everyone knows I like Randle and will always like Randle but just like Leon I like Towns more and this trade was very very obviously the right thing to do for the Knicks and a total fleecing by Leon to the Timberwolves, there’s no debate on that. Also credit the Timberwolves for being inept beyond words to bungle towns career this way

[Jeff Van Gully]

**** that and **** him.

He was a paid mercenary.

He got his gold in blood, he gets no praise for that.

Selfish sniveling pouting lunatic.

Randle is who those who hate on Melo think he is.

i find this take so weird about players who take less than max money out of the kindness of the hearts. even if the player is flawed, dudes really leave money on the table on purpose and get talked about like this.

randle and melo aren't the same level of player. but they both did that. i don't think it was unreasonable to want his max after taking a team-friendly deal prior.

I look at it like this, melo eventually played so badly and selfishly to the point the Knicks were one of the worst teams in the nba and he also refused to be traded until all we could get was enes kanter (im not calling this dipshittu freedom he can call himself whatever he wants) and a 2nd round pick. He bled the organization dry took every dime he could and ultimately left the Knicks in shambles

Randle was an all star until the end here, the team was actually pretty good in his last days on the Knicks, we traded him at his peak and ultimately landed us a hall of fame center in towns. What his next contract would or wouldn’t have been is just speculation and ultimately I think Leon had planned to use him as our trade chip all along and he definitely wanted Towns all along so there probably wasn’t ever going to be another extension. Folks can hate Randle all they want but the end result of his tenure was we were able to trade him for a superstar. People wanted to trade him in a salary dump every time he was in a slump but Leon was patient and played the long game and got the big fish. It’s the best outcome we could have realistically expected. We signed him as a role player PF for nothing in 2019 and it turned into towns. Crazy when you think about it. Personally I think he should get some credit for working so hard in the offseasons to improve his game but by the end he was already at and pushing far above whatever his ceiling as a player was supposed be or how far a team can go with him being featured

Also gotta credit Thibs. He did a lot to build Randle’s value over the course of 5 years and he massively inflated Donte’s value in 1 year. I don’t see how not to give him a large portion the credit other than giving that to Leon too since he was smart enough to hire him.

Everyone knows I like Randle and will always like Randle but just like Leon I like Towns more and this trade was very very obviously the right thing to do for the Knicks and a total fleecing by Leon to the Timberwolves, there’s no debate on that. Also credit the Timberwolves for being inept beyond words to bungle towns career this way

not arguing whether or not people should be fans of either player. just pointing out that the bold is untrue. these guys got big contracts. maybe bigger than some believe deserved. maybe more impactful strategically. but certainly not every dime they could get. in melo's case, specifically for the purpose of enabling moves. same idea as brunson to a much lesser degree. so, there's some respect that should come with that.

[thebuzzardman]

Wingo

Dean Meminger/Henry Bibby vs Cam Payne\Deuce McBride

Who you taking?

I'm going Cam\Deuce

[Jeff Van Gully]

ngl that's bout some sorry ass ****. i thought it was "play basketball" and "just another game."

I was one who supported Randle... but watching his selfishness last night -- quite disappointing and definitely glad he's no longer a Knick. BITCH!

Eh, I’m one who disliked Randle, then supported Randle, then stopped supporting Randle. However, I gotta push back on this one.

This is a tough loss for him. His former team comes to team, blows out his current team. That’s already bad. Then the guy who they traded you for had an amazing unicorn performance. And then the crowd is booing, which we know Randle hates. Not to mention the trade rumors around him already.

Hell, I wouldn’t talk to anybody too.

it is a big relief to be off this rollercoaster. i appreciate a lot about him, but his weaknesses were hard af to take. it's a little funny to see minnesota FAFO.

conversely, i see our team recognizing KAT's weaknesses and actively addressing them with some degree of success. also, KAT is clearly up for the assignment.

[robillionaire]

i find this take so weird about players who take less than max money out of the kindness of the hearts. even if the player is flawed, dudes really leave money on the table on purpose and get talked about like this.

randle and melo aren't the same level of player. but they both did that. i don't think it was unreasonable to want his max after taking a team-friendly deal prior.

I look at it like this, melo eventually played so badly and selfishly to the point the Knicks were one of the worst teams in the nba and he also refused to be traded until all we could get was enes kanter (im not calling this dipshittu freedom he can call himself whatever he wants) and a 2nd round pick. He bled the organization dry took every dime he could and ultimately left the Knicks in shambles

Randle was an all star until the end here, the team was actually pretty good in his last days on the Knicks, we traded him at his peak and ultimately landed us a hall of fame center in towns. What his next contract would or wouldn’t have been is just speculation and ultimately I think Leon had planned to use him as our trade chip all along and he definitely wanted Towns all along so there probably wasn’t ever going to be another extension. Folks can hate Randle all they want but the end result of his tenure was we were able to trade him for a superstar. People wanted to trade him in a salary dump every time he was in a slump but Leon was patient and played the long game and got the big fish. It’s the best outcome we could have realistically expected. We signed him as a role player PF for nothing in 2019 and it turned into towns. Crazy when you think about it. Personally I think he should get some credit for working so hard in the offseasons to improve his game but by the end he was already at and pushing far above whatever his ceiling as a player was supposed be or how far a team can go with him being featured

Also gotta credit Thibs. He did a lot to build Randle’s value over the course of 5 years and he massively inflated Donte’s value in 1 year. I don’t see how not to give him a large portion the credit other than giving that to Leon too since he was smart enough to hire him.

Everyone knows I like Randle and will always like Randle but just like Leon I like Towns more and this trade was very very obviously the right thing to do for the Knicks and a total fleecing by Leon to the Timberwolves, there’s no debate on that. Also credit the Timberwolves for being inept beyond words to bungle towns career this way

not arguing whether or not people should be fans of either player. just pointing out that the bold is untrue. these guys got big contracts. maybe bigger than some believe deserved. maybe more impactful strategically. but certainly not every dime they could get. in melo's case, specifically for the purpose of enabling moves. same idea as brunson to a much lesser degree. so, there's some respect that should come with that.

Well in fairness to melo you can’t totally blame him for taking what was offered. The organization made bad moves for years, gave him a bad contract, and should not have added a no trade clause to it and never had put him in such a position to begin with. So the pre-Leon front office deserves more of the blame for what went wrong than the player for not wanting to take less or waive his no trade clause just to bail them out. They also didn’t have the foresight to realize the game was moving away from the outdated way that melo played basketball

Conversely we don’t have to blame anybody for Randle because it ended in a positive outcome, the team started from the post-Melo cellar and improved for years to become a playoff team and then traded him to improve once again by trading him for a great value. There’s nothing to complain about from an organization standpoint really other than just a personal dislike for the guy or aspects of his game we didn’t like to watch. I don’t think I’d have done anything differently, I like having towns here

[Capn'O]

ngl that's bout some sorry ass ****. i thought it was "play basketball" and "just another game."

I was one who supported Randle... but watching his selfishness last night -- quite disappointing and definitely glad he's no longer a Knick. BITCH!

Eh, I’m one who disliked Randle, then supported Randle, then stopped supporting Randle. However, I gotta push back on this one.

This is a tough loss for him. His former team comes to team, blows out his current team. That’s already bad. Then the guy who they traded you for had an amazing unicorn performance. And then the crowd is booing, which we know Randle hates. Not to mention the trade rumors around him already.

Hell, I wouldn’t talk to anybody too.

[Capn'O]

Ok. Now this thread is taking off.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I look at it like this, melo eventually played so badly and selfishly to the point the Knicks were one of the worst teams in the nba and he also refused to be traded until all we could get was enes kanter (im not calling this dipshittu freedom he can call himself whatever he wants) and a 2nd round pick. He bled the organization dry took every dime he could and ultimately left the Knicks in shambles

Randle was an all star until the end here, the team was actually pretty good in his last days on the Knicks, we traded him at his peak and ultimately landed us a hall of fame center in towns. What his next contract would or wouldn’t have been is just speculation and ultimately I think Leon had planned to use him as our trade chip all along and he definitely wanted Towns all along so there probably wasn’t ever going to be another extension. Folks can hate Randle all they want but the end result of his tenure was we were able to trade him for a superstar. People wanted to trade him in a salary dump every time he was in a slump but Leon was patient and played the long game and got the big fish. It’s the best outcome we could have realistically expected. We signed him as a role player PF for nothing in 2019 and it turned into towns. Crazy when you think about it. Personally I think he should get some credit for working so hard in the offseasons to improve his game but by the end he was already at and pushing far above whatever his ceiling as a player was supposed be or how far a team can go with him being featured

Also gotta credit Thibs. He did a lot to build Randle’s value over the course of 5 years and he massively inflated Donte’s value in 1 year. I don’t see how not to give him a large portion the credit other than giving that to Leon too since he was smart enough to hire him.

Everyone knows I like Randle and will always like Randle but just like Leon I like Towns more and this trade was very very obviously the right thing to do for the Knicks and a total fleecing by Leon to the Timberwolves, there’s no debate on that. Also credit the Timberwolves for being inept beyond words to bungle towns career this way

not arguing whether or not people should be fans of either player. just pointing out that the bold is untrue. these guys got big contracts. maybe bigger than some believe deserved. maybe more impactful strategically. but certainly not every dime they could get. in melo's case, specifically for the purpose of enabling moves. same idea as brunson to a much lesser degree. so, there's some respect that should come with that.

Well in fairness to melo you can’t totally blame him for taking what was offered. The organization made bad moves for years, gave him a bad contract, and should not have added a no trade clause to it and never had put him in such a position to begin with. So the pre-Leon front office deserves more of the blame for what went wrong than the player for not wanting to take less or waive his no trade clause just to bail them out. They also didn’t have the foresight to realize the game was moving away from the outdated way that melo played basketball

Conversely we don’t have to blame anybody for Randle because it ended in a positive outcome, the team started from the post-Melo cellar and improved for years to become a playoff team and then traded him to improve once again by trading him for a great value. There’s nothing to complain about from an organization standpoint really other than just a personal dislike for the guy or aspects of his game we didn’t like to watch. I don’t think I’d have done anything differently, I like having towns here

i was talking specifically about melo not taking his max increase to save cap room.

randle was a good FA signing. even for his haters, he outperformed his first deal by a mile. wasn't gonna be worth the next.

i like how KAT is locked in on the old money before the cap explodes. his %cap is going to look great by the end of that deal. players of his caliber will be making $100m+ seasons.

legit curious on what mikal will decide. ironman can maximize his earning and align his next payday with the new TV money caps. we'd be lucky for any of these guys going long-term under the current circumstances like OG and JB did. we pulled one in with KAT. hart won't be too expensive on the other side of 30. JB is going to go biggie bag next time... you would think.

[Chanel Bomber]

Julius played a major role in the Knicks resurgence and I don't lose sight of that. But the contrast between how unlikeable he is and how likeable KAT is is staggering.

**** that and **** him.

He was a paid mercenary.

He got his gold in blood, he gets no praise for that.

Selfish sniveling pouting lunatic.

Randle is who those who hate on Melo think he is.

i find this take so weird about players who take less than max money out of the kindness of the hearts. even if the player is flawed, dudes really leave money on the table on purpose and get talked about like this.

randle and melo aren't the same level of player. but they both did that. i don't think it was unreasonable to want his max after taking a team-friendly deal prior.

I don't support blaming players for taking the money they can get. It's a business, and workers shouldn't be expected to take less money than they are offered. Any moralistic stance on it is BS in my view.

That's why I also hate how some (very few) fans blamed OG for signing a big contract.

The people who should be held accountable are the FOs who manage the books and build the rosters.

Phil Jackson is the one who did us dirty with the NTC. He could have had the foresight to let him go if the NTC was such a deal-breaker for Melo. Giving him that power was a stupid executive decision. But Melo had every right to exercise it once given.