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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#141 » by kNicksGmen » Wed Mar 5, 2025 5:42 pm

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snadler wrote:Let me first start by saying Thibs is not the perfect coach, but to read some comments that actually think a different coach under the same circumstances of players being injured throughout the season like OG, mitch, precious, deuce, including games missed by hart and KAT, that another coach would have this team say 45-16, as opposed to 40-21 is just foolish talk. Adding in the fact of it being basically a new squad together, you can argue their record is better than it should be. Any determination on this season and Thibs can not be made to the playoffs. If they lose in round 1 or make it to round 2 and get swept than the discussion of a new coach should be justified.





We can make a determination on Thibs, because it's always the same problems with the team regardless of what the roster is. We have given up open looks from threes since he's been here, we have always prioritized protecting the paint first and the perimeter second. The difference is that teams are hunting for threes and making them at a better rate than they did before. We've been top 5 in defense 1 time in his 5 years here, we've been 3rd, 19th, 11th, 10th and 19th. His defense hasn't really adapted to the shift in the league, last season before Mitch got hurt he had a 130 DRTG against the Celtics starting mainly because he kept defending Kristaps with Mitch and never ever tried anything different.

I won't be too critical of Mitch since he's coming back from an injury, but he had a 140 DRTG last night and that really wasn't his fault, it's that Tom's defense is always close to breaking when a team has a stretch 5, or an unconventional big like Draymond. It doesn't help that we don't do anything outside the box that other teams do to us. Jimmy is shooting 10% from three since joining the Warriors, you park Mitch/Our centers on him and have them help off, if Jimmy is going to make threes then as the Brits say "fair play" and you put OG on Draymond so he can switch whenever there's screen action. We don't do any of that, we negate our own center's impact by having Mitch on Draymond which is exactly what they want because it pulls him out of the paint. They were getting open look after open look from three in the first half, it was like shooting practice, if they shot even average from three we'd have gotten blown out in the first half.


I won't even get into how much a joke the offense is, it's simply talent based and nothing else. The stuff the Warriors were doing last night with 2 non shooters on the floor just blows us our primitive "sets" out the water. We are 6th in the league in frequency of shots coming 4-0 seconds left in the shot clock, which is very late, and 3rd in 7-4 seconds which is late. Also funny how Podz has more freedom on ball than Mikal :lol:

also the year the knicks were 3rd they had ridiculous luck in terms of 3 point shooting variance - specifically referring to teams shot a way lower percentage on open/uncontested 3 pointers than their averages. the defense still gave up a lot of open 3s, we were just lucky teams didn't knock them down.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#142 » by dakomish23 » Wed Mar 5, 2025 5:43 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:We need everyone available to beat good teams. Period. We aren't invincible and we haven't been healthy all season. The Lakers are going to be a real challenge if KAT isn't there. Unfortunately, the real world has more important things going on than basketball right now. Hope it all works out for everyone involved.


Vs the other 5 top teams in the East
CLE: 0-2
BOS: 0-3
MIL: 2-0
IND: 2-1
DET: 1-2

Vs the top 6 in the West
OKC: 0-2
LAL: 0-1
DEN: 2-0
MEM: 2-0
HOU: 1-1
GSW: 0-1

11-13. Obviously the top tier OKC CLE BOS 0-7 is horrific
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#143 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Mar 5, 2025 5:45 pm

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snadler wrote:Let me first start by saying Thibs is not the perfect coach, but to read some comments that actually think a different coach under the same circumstances of players being injured throughout the season like OG, mitch, precious, deuce, including games missed by hart and KAT, that another coach would have this team say 45-16, as opposed to 40-21 is just foolish talk. Adding in the fact of it being basically a new squad together, you can argue their record is better than it should be. Any determination on this season and Thibs can not be made to the playoffs. If they lose in round 1 or make it to round 2 and get swept than the discussion of a new coach should be justified.

knicks have had incredible injury fortune. best in the league in terms of games missed by critical rotation players.


The only players that haven't really missed time is the starting 5. The bench as a unit has missed the entire season. Players have knee issues. OG missed a minute but, we were spared by the ASB. KAT is questionable now. Maybe we haven't had the Mavs luck but, it hasn't been picture perfect.

Deuce/Precious are rotational pieces and they have missed a bunch of games. Shamet might not be considered a key rotational piece by some but, he missed half the season. Mitch played in 3 games. We have had plenty of injuries.
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Post#144 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Mar 5, 2025 5:46 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:It's not necessarily his fault individually, but the offense just can't function with two non-floor spacers.

Katz highlighted it by breaking down lineup data recently on KFS.

Hart and Mitch's minutes need to be staggered. If we intend to play Hart starter minutes, then Mitch can only play backup minutes behind KAT. And if we do need more rim protection/size, then Hart's minutes need to be significantly reduced.

This is 2025.



All fair points. I agree Hart needs to basically be attached to KAT minutes...and Mitch with Deuce or someone else that can shoot to provide enough spacing.

I do find it interesting that Butler/Draymond don't really take or attempt many 3's and because of the sets Kerr runs GS didn't have as much trouble in getting open looks like we did.

They use Draymond as an off ball screener so much to free up shooters like Curry/Hield because people play off him and they use that against them. We just have Hart stand around the 3 pt line doing nothing for most of the possession.

We could get more creative to use people sagging off Hart against them but our offense is very ISO centric and values more spacing and standing and letting Brunson/KAT cook then running guys off screens ect...

Interesting thoughts.

I agree we could be a bit more creative but we don't have the elite shooters whereby an off-ball screen creates urgency for the defense.

Perhaps Hart could screen for KAT - our best shooter - off the ball. But then that removes the option of KAT screening for Brunson, which is theoretically and in a vacuum our best source of offense (an underused one).

Thibs has obviously tried to remedy this by using Hart as a ball-handler, a solid option considering Hart's size and basketball IQ, and as a cutter.

Perhaps sprinkling in some possessions where Hart screens for KAT off the ball could - to your point - add diversity while still mitigating Hart's lack of shooting.

Kerr's a superior coach to Thibs, but Draymond and Curry are also smarter basketball players than Brunson and KAT. An isolation offense helps limit turnovers and reduce mistakes, and I don't know if this team has the feel for the game to run a more complex offense. I think it's both coaching and personnel.



Even without an elite shooter the volume of threes we take is unacceptable, the Spurs don't have an elite shooter yet they're 6th while we're 28th in attempts per game. The Spurs also have a non shooter in a lot of their lineups with Sochan, yet they fire them up because you have to. The Thinking Basketball clip also pointed out that KAT has only taken 10 threes off a screen this year which is criminal negligence.

The way we use KAT makes no sense, his straightline drives seem to be the first option when it should be the three, he should be taking 8-9 a game like Wemby. Right now, Al Horford is taking slightly more threes per game (4.9) than KAT (4.8) while playing nearly 10 less MPG and Kristaps takes 6.0 in 7 less MPG. For centers he's behind Reid, Lopez, Horford, Kristaps and Turner, if they do move him to PF there's no doubt that will drop even further, Vucevic takes 4.6 a game, we're misusing KAT on offense.
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Post#145 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed Mar 5, 2025 5:52 pm

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All fair points. I agree Hart needs to basically be attached to KAT minutes...and Mitch with Deuce or someone else that can shoot to provide enough spacing.

I do find it interesting that Butler/Draymond don't really take or attempt many 3's and because of the sets Kerr runs GS didn't have as much trouble in getting open looks like we did.

They use Draymond as an off ball screener so much to free up shooters like Curry/Hield because people play off him and they use that against them. We just have Hart stand around the 3 pt line doing nothing for most of the possession.

We could get more creative to use people sagging off Hart against them but our offense is very ISO centric and values more spacing and standing and letting Brunson/KAT cook then running guys off screens ect...

Interesting thoughts.

I agree we could be a bit more creative but we don't have the elite shooters whereby an off-ball screen creates urgency for the defense.

Perhaps Hart could screen for KAT - our best shooter - off the ball. But then that removes the option of KAT screening for Brunson, which is theoretically and in a vacuum our best source of offense (an underused one).

Thibs has obviously tried to remedy this by using Hart as a ball-handler, a solid option considering Hart's size and basketball IQ, and as a cutter.

Perhaps sprinkling in some possessions where Hart screens for KAT off the ball could - to your point - add diversity while still mitigating Hart's lack of shooting.

Kerr's a superior coach to Thibs, but Draymond and Curry are also smarter basketball players than Brunson and KAT. An isolation offense helps limit turnovers and reduce mistakes, and I don't know if this team has the feel for the game to run a more complex offense. I think it's both coaching and personnel.



Even without an elite shooter the volume of threes we take is unacceptable, the Spurs don't have an elite shooter yet they're 6th while we're 28th in attempts per game. The Thinking Basketball clip also pointed out that KAT has only taken 10 threes off a screen this year which is criminal negligence.

The way we use KAT makes no sense, his straightline drives seem to be the first option when it should be the three when it should be the three, he should be taking 8-9 a game like Wemby. Right now, Al Horford is taking slightly more threes per game (4.9) than KAT (4.8) while playing nearly 10 less MPG and Kristaps takes 6.0 in 7 less MPG. For centers he's behind Reid, Lopez, Horford, Kristaps and Turner, if they do move him to PF there's no doubt that will drop even further, Vucevic takes 4.6 a game, we're misusing KAT on offense.

Fully agree.

I mean Thibs is running a high-powered offense so it's working to a large degree but I think we should be ambitious and we could be running an even more efficient offense with more 3s taken.

I don't mind the drives so much in a vacuum because putting pressure on the rim elevates the offense, but there should be more of a balance with more 3s taken.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#146 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Mar 5, 2025 5:53 pm

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Jalen Bluntson wrote:We need everyone available to beat good teams. Period. We aren't invincible and we haven't been healthy all season. The Lakers are going to be a real challenge if KAT isn't there. Unfortunately, the real world has more important things going on than basketball right now. Hope it all works out for everyone involved.


Vs the other 5 top teams in the East
CLE: 0-2
BOS: 0-3
MIL: 2-0
IND: 2-1
DET: 1-2

Vs the top 6 in the West
OKC: 0-2
LAL: 0-1
DEN: 2-0
MEM: 2-0
HOU: 1-1
GSW: 0-1

11-13. Obviously the top tier OKC CLE BOS 0-7 is horrific


We have questions and flaws and work to do. What can ya say? We are close. We haven't been healthy all season. Maybe we never will be. Three years ago it sucked being a fan. I'm cool with the journey since then.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#147 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Mar 5, 2025 5:59 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:Interesting thoughts.

I agree we could be a bit more creative but we don't have the elite shooters whereby an off-ball screen creates urgency for the defense.

Perhaps Hart could screen for KAT - our best shooter - off the ball. But then that removes the option of KAT screening for Brunson, which is theoretically and in a vacuum our best source of offense (an underused one).

Thibs has obviously tried to remedy this by using Hart as a ball-handler, a solid option considering Hart's size and basketball IQ, and as a cutter.

Perhaps sprinkling in some possessions where Hart screens for KAT off the ball could - to your point - add diversity while still mitigating Hart's lack of shooting.

Kerr's a superior coach to Thibs, but Draymond and Curry are also smarter basketball players than Brunson and KAT. An isolation offense helps limit turnovers and reduce mistakes, and I don't know if this team has the feel for the game to run a more complex offense. I think it's both coaching and personnel.



Even without an elite shooter the volume of threes we take is unacceptable, the Spurs don't have an elite shooter yet they're 6th while we're 28th in attempts per game. The Thinking Basketball clip also pointed out that KAT has only taken 10 threes off a screen this year which is criminal negligence.

The way we use KAT makes no sense, his straightline drives seem to be the first option when it should be the three when it should be the three, he should be taking 8-9 a game like Wemby. Right now, Al Horford is taking slightly more threes per game (4.9) than KAT (4.8) while playing nearly 10 less MPG and Kristaps takes 6.0 in 7 less MPG. For centers he's behind Reid, Lopez, Horford, Kristaps and Turner, if they do move him to PF there's no doubt that will drop even further, Vucevic takes 4.6 a game, we're misusing KAT on offense.

Fully agree.

I mean Thibs is running a high-powered offense so it's working to a large degree but I think we should be ambitious and we could be running an even more efficient offense with more 3s taken.

I don't mind the drives so much in a vacuum because putting pressure on the rim elevates the offense, but there should be more of a balance with more 3s taken.




It's high powered until it goes against a good defense, the Warriors are 8th in the league, we had a 105.2 ORTG last night against them. More often than not our offense goes completely flat against top 10 defenses, it's one of the reasons why the Magic play us so tough. We're basically a junk offense yet again that still relies on rebounding and crashing as though those things are sustainable against teams that can stop it, it's why the elites blow our doors off, people focus on our defense against them but our offense has seen as big a falloff against them.

The way we play won't work in the playoffs, its simply math at a certain point, and expecting to beat teams that are taking 10-15% more threes than you is just an L waiting to happen.
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Post#148 » by mpharris36 » Wed Mar 5, 2025 6:00 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Interesting thoughts.

I agree we could be a bit more creative but we don't have the elite shooters whereby an off-ball screen creates urgency for the defense.

Perhaps Hart could screen for KAT - our best shooter - off the ball. But then that removes the option of KAT screening for Brunson, which is theoretically and in a vacuum our best source of offense (an underused one).

Thibs has obviously tried to remedy this by using Hart as a ball-handler, a solid option considering Hart's size and basketball IQ, and as a cutter.

Perhaps sprinkling in some possessions where Hart screens for KAT off the ball could - to your point - add diversity while still mitigating Hart's lack of shooting.

Kerr's a superior coach to Thibs, but Draymond and Curry are also smarter basketball players than Brunson and KAT. An isolation offense helps limit turnovers and reduce mistakes, and I don't know if this team has the feel for the game to run a more complex offense. I think it's both coaching and personnel.



Even without an elite shooter the volume of threes we take is unacceptable, the Spurs don't have an elite shooter yet they're 6th while we're 28th in attempts per game. The Thinking Basketball clip also pointed out that KAT has only taken 10 threes off a screen this year which is criminal negligence.

The way we use KAT makes no sense, his straightline drives seem to be the first option when it should be the three when it should be the three, he should be taking 8-9 a game like Wemby. Right now, Al Horford is taking slightly more threes per game (4.9) than KAT (4.8) while playing nearly 10 less MPG and Kristaps takes 6.0 in 7 less MPG. For centers he's behind Reid, Lopez, Horford, Kristaps and Turner, if they do move him to PF there's no doubt that will drop even further, Vucevic takes 4.6 a game, we're misusing KAT on offense.

Fully agree.

I mean ***Brunson*** is running a high-powered offense so it's working to a large degree but I think we should be ambitious and we could be running an even more efficient offense with more 3s taken.

I don't mind the drives so much in a vacuum because putting pressure on the rim elevates the offense, but there should be more of a balance with more 3s taken.





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Post#149 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Mar 5, 2025 6:11 pm

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Jalen Bluntson wrote:We need everyone available to beat good teams. Period. We aren't invincible and we haven't been healthy all season. The Lakers are going to be a real challenge if KAT isn't there. Unfortunately, the real world has more important things going on than basketball right now. Hope it all works out for everyone involved.


Vs the other 5 top teams in the East
CLE: 0-2
BOS: 0-3
MIL: 2-0
IND: 2-1
DET: 1-2

Vs the top 6 in the West
OKC: 0-2
LAL: 0-1
DEN: 2-0
MEM: 2-0
HOU: 1-1
GSW: 0-1

11-13. Obviously the top tier OKC CLE BOS 0-7 is horrific



DRTG
CLE - 7th (1st ORTG)
BOS - 5th (3rd ORTG)
MIL - 10th (14 ORTG)
IND -18th (8th ORTG)
DET - 9th (13th ORTG)


OKC - 1st (4th ORTG)
LAL - 13th (9th ORTG)
DEN - 17th (2nd ORTG)
MEM - 11th (6th ORTG)
HOU - 4th (15th ORTG)
GSW - 8th (16th ORTG)


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Post#151 » by The KnicksFix » Wed Mar 5, 2025 6:35 pm

Every game I say the same thing,
Thibs sucks. Regardless if we didn’t have KAT, we should have won that game last night.
No matter how many games we play, there’s no offensive creativity, the read and react offense favors Brunson, and doesn’t allow Mikal to do anything in it.

And I’ve been waiting to see the JB Deuce OG KAT Mitch lineup, but we all know this idiot won’t send Mikal and hart to come off the bench. So we are stuck losing Thibs’ way game after game, rather than trying to win in another

Thibs is one hell of an idiot, a floor raiser, but not a championship level head coach.
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Post#152 » by Guano » Wed Mar 5, 2025 7:28 pm

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Post#153 » by Guano » Wed Mar 5, 2025 7:30 pm

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You know mikal isn't working like that. He is the one making jokes being a clown which is funny for a min then you realize he is a slacker and you're having to work harder to cover for it.
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Post#154 » by spree2kawhi » Wed Mar 5, 2025 7:34 pm

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He is always doing the most to piss us off.

He had a pretty good game, especially passing the ball and defensively against Curry. I am watching it right now and haven’t watched the fourth quarter yet, but through three quarters, he was by far the best Knick not named OG.
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Post#155 » by spree8 » Wed Mar 5, 2025 7:52 pm

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You know mikal isn't working like that. He is the one making jokes being a clown which is funny for a min then you realize he is a slacker and you're having to work harder to cover for it.



To add to that analogy, I think he’s not been put in the right position by the manager… he shouldn’t be flipping burgers, he should be at the register providing excellent customer service with those jokes. That’s what happens when a manager doesn’t know how to run the store and utilize employee’s strengths :D
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You know mikal isn't working like that. He is the one making jokes being a clown which is funny for a min then you realize he is a slacker and you're having to work harder to cover for it.



To add to that analogy, I think he’s not been put in the right position by the manager… he shouldn’t be flipping burgers, he should be at the register providing excellent customer service with those jokes. That’s what happens when a manager doesn’t know how to run the store and utilize employee’s strengths :D


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Post#157 » by Guano » Wed Mar 5, 2025 7:58 pm

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He is always doing the most to piss us off.

He had a pretty good game, especially passing the ball and defensively against Curry. I am watching it right now and haven’t watched the fourth quarter yet, but through three quarters, he was by far the best Knick not named OG.


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Post#158 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Mar 5, 2025 8:17 pm

Evan Roberts on WFAN brought up a good point about Mikal: he isn't the same player that he was in BKN and is playing afraid of contact. I had to think about it and I kinda agree. The way he is playing overall is not the same as the guy i saw when he first got traded by Phoenix.

He was getting to the line and fighting around screens. Now? He's not doing any of that.

Full disclosure, I missed the game last night, so I can't speak to how he played against GS, but something isn't right with him. Is he trying to avoid contact to keep his streak going or something?

Weird stuff.
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Post#159 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Mar 5, 2025 8:18 pm

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