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Enzo954 wrote:Pr0nzingis wrote:Enzo954 wrote:
u lost me there.
Stats don't lie my guy. I know it's enjoyable for you guys to jump on the hate bandwagon, but I speak facts whether you like it or not.
Regular Season:
2025 Playoffs Kat had the highest +/- on the Knicks from the starting 5 and 2nd highest overall on the entire team next to McBride:
Garbagelo wrote:It is my core belief that getting KAT was a short term move and he probably isn't in the long term plans
Doing KAT for KD allows us to have almost 100m of expiring contracts for 26, allowing us to retool for a 2nd chance at a run
Not saying it's the best decision, but the temptation is there to hedge our current risk
Wildcat wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:KnicksGadfly wrote:
Think it’s important to check the writer when it comes to these articles. Fred Katz is pretty trustworthy and connected. He doesn’t do the negativity schtick often.
But yea, actually the article is pretty balanced as whole but of course, some stuff gets emphasized. I’ll try and copy and paste when I have time.
1. katz was on KFS and expressed a disappointment in the timing of the release. as some have mentioned, he doesn't do hit pieces.
https://youtu.be/l_FpQlIiYwc?si=Ju2N4YluOL0AVDvh&t=131 - direct quote
2. @KG please don't copy and paste the article. we can't do that. excerpts at most. thanks.
People need to watch or listen. Whether you're a KAT fan or not.
3toheadmelo wrote:KnicksGadfly wrote:Okay I get this...but holy shyt, they had this article ready to go, right after the playoffs...wtf. That doesn't seem right.
Think the Knicks are putting word out there they wanna move on from KAT.
WargamesX wrote:Enzo954 wrote:Pr0nzingis wrote:u lost me there.
Stats don't lie my guy. I know it's enjoyable for you guys to jump on the hate bandwagon, but I speak facts whether you like it or not.
Regular Season:
2025 Playoffs Kat had the highest +/- on the Knicks from the starting 5 and 2nd highest overall on the entire team next to McBride:
No… Stats do lie. In fact the saying is there are lies, dirty lies, damned dirty lies, and then there are statistics.
Warspite wrote:Billups was a horrible scorer who could only score with an open corner 3 or a FT.
Pr0nzingis wrote:WargamesX wrote:Enzo954 wrote:
Stats don't lie my guy. I know it's enjoyable for you guys to jump on the hate bandwagon, but I speak facts whether you like it or not.
Regular Season:
2025 Playoffs Kat had the highest +/- on the Knicks from the starting 5 and 2nd highest overall on the entire team next to McBride:
No… Stats do lie. In fact the saying is there are lies, dirty lies, damned dirty lies, and then there are statistics.
PJ tucker >>> Brunson. Got it.
U got maga written all over u.
MrDollarBills wrote:Wildcat wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:
1. katz was on KFS and expressed a disappointment in the timing of the release. as some have mentioned, he doesn't do hit pieces.
https://youtu.be/l_FpQlIiYwc?si=Ju2N4YluOL0AVDvh&t=131 - direct quote
2. @KG please don't copy and paste the article. we can't do that. excerpts at most. thanks.
People need to watch or listen. Whether you're a KAT fan or not.
So the issues are basketball related and not personal. That vibes with Brunson's statement that he wants to run it back with everyone.
I dunno how they're gonna fix the defense. Karl clearly has mental lapses that need to be cleaned up and I dunno if that will happen
Pr0nzingis wrote:WargamesX wrote:Enzo954 wrote:
Stats don't lie my guy. I know it's enjoyable for you guys to jump on the hate bandwagon, but I speak facts whether you like it or not.
Regular Season:
2025 Playoffs Kat had the highest +/- on the Knicks from the starting 5 and 2nd highest overall on the entire team next to McBride:
No… Stats do lie. In fact the saying is there are lies, dirty lies, damned dirty lies, and then there are statistics.
PJ tucker >>> Brunson. Got it.
U got maga written all over u.
we not doing this. -JVG
nedleeds wrote:Capn'O wrote:Similar to Thibs, if we move off from KAT it better be for somebody really good.
Why would any team trade anything good for a 1 way 30 year old center making $53/$57/$60 million next 3 years? Just gibberish to think otherwise. We traded a neutral value Randle who was at least expiring this Summer and a roleplayer on a sane contract in Donte for KAT. He's older, and just confirmed his problems are his.
We have 1 positive value contract, Brunson. Trade him. Tank in the 1 year we have our pick for the next half decade.
god shammgod wrote:
Stannis wrote:KAT is the easiest scapegoat imo. First year. Not part of the Nova clic. Actually lost one of their boys (DDV) for him.
Even if things don't improve in Year 2, he's moveable, IMHO. I'm really not worried about the "KAT issue".
On the other hand, we have no assets because everything was lost in the Bridges trade. And I think he's underperforming. We'll never get those 5 picks back. I doubt we can even get 2 picks back for him.
And if we are being honest, this series also showed the limitations of Brunson. Dude got clamped by Nembhard. There was clear frustration from him and loss of ball control which we havent seen before.
The team in general couldn't even handle a full court press
Is that KATs fault? Is the big man supposed to bring the ball up the court? I don't think he has much to do with the +15 TOs which just fed into the Pacers game
Capn'O wrote:Similar to Thibs, if we move off from KAT it better be for somebody really good.
donkki wrote:nedleeds wrote:Capn'O wrote:Similar to Thibs, if we move off from KAT it better be for somebody really good.
Why would any team trade anything good for a 1 way 30 year old center making $53/$57/$60 million next 3 years? Just gibberish to think otherwise. We traded a neutral value Randle who was at least expiring this Summer and a roleplayer on a sane contract in Donte for KAT. He's older, and just confirmed his problems are his.
We have 1 positive value contract, Brunson. Trade him. Tank in the 1 year we have our pick for the next half decade.
The Bucks might not have a choice if Giannis wants the Knicks. KAT with all his flaws is still All-NBA, that should be worth something for the Bucks, ay least a decent part of the trade package? Remember the Mavs had to settle for AD for Luka.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
nykballa2k4 wrote:Capn'O wrote:Similar to Thibs, if we move off from KAT it better be for somebody really good.
KAT for Giannis who says no?
donkki wrote:I find the trade idea of KAT for JJJ and Bane interesting. This would give the Knicks a fresh, more uptempo look, and both JJJ and Bane can shoot the ball at a high clip. JJJ is not perfect but could work well with Brunson.
nedleeds wrote:donkki wrote:nedleeds wrote:Why would any team trade anything good for a 1 way 30 year old center making $53/$57/$60 million next 3 years? Just gibberish to think otherwise. We traded a neutral value Randle who was at least expiring this Summer and a roleplayer on a sane contract in Donte for KAT. He's older, and just confirmed his problems are his.
We have 1 positive value contract, Brunson. Trade him. Tank in the 1 year we have our pick for the next half decade.
The Bucks might not have a choice if Giannis wants the Knicks. KAT with all his flaws is still All-NBA, that should be worth something for the Bucks, ay least a decent part of the trade package? Remember the Mavs had to settle for AD for Luka.
Sure, but besides the average Knick fans over inflated sense of franchise allure why in the world in your franchise picking scenario would he pick here?
We're not close to a title. We have no shooters to space for him. He could just pick Indy if they lose in the finals. Better roster, fits better with him, better coach. or Denver. Again your claim is the Bucks will just eat KATs deal and not look only for expirings and picks.
