PG: Knicks gored by Bulls

[god shammgod]

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yeah, he's the one guy who's thriving. makes sense because he's the one who really wanted thibs fired.

[3toheadmelo]

it's not that you can't fire thibs. there are other good coaches out there. but it's obvious, as it always was, they had no real succession plan when they fired him. mike brown was nobody's idea of the guy who could take us to the next level and anyone saying otherwise is lying. he's just the only guy they could get.

People were saying anyone but Thibs would be a major upgrade for this team. Anyone but Thibs would take us to the finals.

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yeah, he's the one guy who's thriving. makes sense because he's the one who really wanted thibs fired.

Deuce too. He wanted Thibs gone, as well.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Not that I like Mike brown but it’s tough to experiment with lines up when none of the 5 man groups make any sense. Especially with Hart having a broken back. Clarkson looks washed and Yabu is either fat or just bad. No one can really create shots when Brunson sits and spacing gets bad when Kat isn’t playing. Your line up that makes the most sense is probably Brunson, deuce, Mikal, OG, and Mitch but since Mitch is on a pitch count, we couldn’t see for as long as it was needed. Pretty sure that was the line up we had out there when we got it down to a one possession game. There’s just not enough 2 way guys on the roster right now.

[kNicksGmen]

the limited mitch + kat minutes were pretty good. thought they should have closed with that lineup instead of swapping mitch for kat.

Deuce was pretty awful. brunson's defense was terrible and he made too many selfish plays down the stretch (didn't pass to OG who was wide open after hitting back to back 3s from the same spot)

That was the mistake Brown did. Duece can't cover big pgs guards and JB definitely can't. So we had 3 bad defenders out there. Closing lineup against this team should've been


Mitch
Towns
OG
Bridges
Brunson

Chicago would use the Hack-a-Mitch strategy at the end of the game.

fair point but I think there was only like 3 mins left.

[kNicksGmen]

He had a horrendous drive then was immediately blown by on defense and that was the end of his night.

So is he brown's scapegoat? I went back to re-watch because that's not how I remembered it.

He got switched onto heurter and let him go by and fouled him. Normal play. Was nothing out of the ordnary for your 5 man in that situation.

Then he attempted a drive and missed a layup - was again a normal play.

if anything the next play got him benched, but it was just josh hart losing his man - if anything hart should be benched. guy just slipped right through and caught an easy pass for a layup. horrible defense by hart. you could argue yabs playing the 5 there should be sunk into the paint more to help on that, but his assignment at the time was smith in the corner who can shoot 3s. Brown called timeout after the play.

Idk the rotations seemed a lil fcky to me. And I doubt he is in Brown's doghouse already.

And I have a really negative view on yabu so im not doubting im being unfairly critical of yabu already. But in my defense he is fat and playing poorly out the gate.

yea I was high on him and he's been very disappointing. I knew his defense wasn't good but it looks even worse than expected (Especially when they try to play him at the 5, I thought he would be playing next to mitch mostly, but he's been out). and he's not making his wide open 3s.

[Gravy]

Nobody wanted us to hire Mike Brown now everyone has to pretend he is an elite coach who is only losing because he's experimenting, and a team of 10 year vets needs an entire season to learn his offense when other teams players learn theirs in like 3 practices.

[3toheadmelo]

Has there ever been a time where a coach was fired after reaching the conference finals and their replacement took them to the finals the next year?

[ezmoney707]

Has there ever been a time where a coach was fired after reaching the conference finals and their replacement took them to the finals the next year?

Yes……Rick Carlisle being fired from the Pistons after making the conference finals, Larry Brown hired wins Finals the next year….

[jvsimonetti0514]

it's not that you can't fire thibs. there are other good coaches out there. but it's obvious, as it always was, they had no real succession plan when they fired him. mike brown was nobody's idea of the guy who could take us to the next level and anyone saying otherwise is lying. he's just the only guy they could get.

This x1000. The coaches search was very uninspired and down right bizarre. Like why not talk to Bud or Vogul. There’s a dozens of lead assistants that are ready to be head coaches but they only ended up talking to 3 of them? The only way it makes sense if front office was unprepared to fire the coach and some outside force push it to happen. Even then that doesn’t excuse how bad their search was.

[kNicksGmen]

Has there ever been a time where a coach was fired after reaching the conference finals and their replacement took them to the finals the next year?

Context matters. Knicks were far from inspiring last year in the playoffs and it wasn't a sustainable recipe. Results matter but so does context. Could have easily lost to the pistons - were honestly outplayed by them most of the series. Celtics smacked the crap out of the knicks in most of the games but knicks managed those 2 miracle comebacks in games 1 and 2 - not sustainable. Were big favorites against the pacers (again) and got smacked.

team was completely healthy which was a miracle of it's own.

[3toheadmelo]

Has there ever been a time where a coach was fired after reaching the conference finals and their replacement took them to the finals the next year?

Context matters. Knicks were far from inspiring last year in the playoffs and it wasn't a sustainable recipe. Results matter but so does context. Could have easily lost to the pistons - were honestly outplayed by them most of the series. Celtics smacked the crap out of the knicks in most of the games but knicks managed those 2 miracle comebacks in games 1 and 2 - not sustainable. Were big favorites against the pacers (again) and got smacked.

team was completely healthy which was a miracle of it's own.

Context matters. The Pistons were legitimately good. We absolutely deserved to win the Celtics series. The Pacers were on their way to winning the chip until Hali tore his Achilles. We were definitely contenders and this is coming from someone who wasn’t high on the team for majority of the year. Results are what matters. I don’t care about any other fan fiction.

[3toheadmelo]

Has there ever been a time where a coach was fired after reaching the conference finals and their replacement took them to the finals the next year?

Yes……Rick Carlisle being fired from the Pistons after making the conference finals, Larry Brown hired wins Finals the next year….

Basically Mike brown has to put on a legendary masterclass.

[JayTWill]

Anyone else feel that the sense of unity, of "family," of culture, of hard-nosed playing, etc. that Thibs built with Leon the past five years is now GONE.

Not just the Coaching change but now it seems it's all every player for themeselves and THEIR salary over everything else.

It's not just Brown but add in Kat and his rep stretching from Minny to NYC and now, of all people, Josh.

It feels like were on the road to becoming the old Sacramento Kings.

Was that the identity of the team or was that just the identity that has followed Thibs around throughout his career? Rose for better or worse has been constantly shuffling the deck to the point that it has been difficult to actually establish a true identity imo. You would think they were a grind it out defensive team for years under Thibs.

For example people talk about KAT killing the defense last year like they didn't have the 19th ranked defense in Brunson's first year despite having 2 of the best defensive bigs. This team lost 139-126 to the Bulls higher paced offense last year under Thibs but we are acting like some of these issues did not exist before Brown arrived.

[NYKat]

We’ve played some good teams to be honest.

Last year we couldn’t beat any good teams during the regular season, and then we made our run. Everyone needs to calm their tits, we’ll be fine.

[sol537]

I think trading KAT before the deadline should be a priority.

Trading Hart at some point would be good as well. I think he needs a new home/role somewhere else.

[Gravy]

Has there ever been a time where a coach was fired after reaching the conference finals and their replacement took them to the finals the next year?

Duane Casey with the Raps but they also got Kawhi.
Carlise with the Pistons but they got Rasheed during that season.

Our big signing was Brogdon who retired and Jordan Clarkson

[kNicksGmen]

Has there ever been a time where a coach was fired after reaching the conference finals and their replacement took them to the finals the next year?

Context matters. Knicks were far from inspiring last year in the playoffs and it wasn't a sustainable recipe. Results matter but so does context. Could have easily lost to the pistons - were honestly outplayed by them most of the series. Celtics smacked the crap out of the knicks in most of the games but knicks managed those 2 miracle comebacks in games 1 and 2 - not sustainable. Were big favorites against the pacers (again) and got smacked.

team was completely healthy which was a miracle of it's own.

Context matters. The Pistons were legitimately good. We absolutely deserved to win the Celtics series. The Pacers were on their way to winning the chip until Hali tore his Achilles. We were definitely contenders and this is coming from someone who wasn’t high on the team for majority of the year. Results are what matters. I don’t care about any other fan fiction.

ehhh disagree about the pistons specifically. They didn't really play well at all most of the series. Knicks were pretty awful most of the games but pulled out wins down the stretch with Kat/Brunson heroics (and game 1 Cam Payne lol).

I don't disagree the about the knicks "deserving" to win the celtics series - but that doesn't change the fact of how flukey/unlikely winning the 1st 2 games on the road was after being down 20 in both. Knicks were blown out of the building at home in game 3 and blown out on the road in game 5 (with no tatum). Sure they deserved to win, but they were not nearly as good as boston. Going into the year I always said they can beat Boston if they get luck with shooting variance or injuries - they got both (not just referring to tatum, but also the knicks being COMPLETELY HEALTHY WHICH WAS A MIRACLE).

Pacers series, outside of the 1st 3 1/2 quarters of game one they were pretty thoroughly outplayed despite Turner missing all his wide open 3s.

Pacers definitely had some special magic last year and results do matter - but like I said so does context. Nothing I said is "fan fiction". They were going to get smoked by any number of teams that came out of the west if they managed to get there. You can call that "fan fiction". OKC would have slaughtered them in 5.

[bballoctober]

KAT gotta average 8 3pt attempts per game.

[3toheadmelo]

Context matters. Knicks were far from inspiring last year in the playoffs and it wasn't a sustainable recipe. Results matter but so does context. Could have easily lost to the pistons - were honestly outplayed by them most of the series. Celtics smacked the crap out of the knicks in most of the games but knicks managed those 2 miracle comebacks in games 1 and 2 - not sustainable. Were big favorites against the pacers (again) and got smacked.

team was completely healthy which was a miracle of it's own.

Context matters. The Pistons were legitimately good. We absolutely deserved to win the Celtics series. The Pacers were on their way to winning the chip until Hali tore his Achilles. We were definitely contenders and this is coming from someone who wasn’t high on the team for majority of the year. Results are what matters. I don’t care about any other fan fiction.

ehhh disagree about the pistons specifically. They didn't really play well at all most of the series. Knicks were pretty awful most of the games but pulled out wins down the stretch with Kat/Brunson heroics (and game 1 Cam Payne lol).

I don't disagree the about the knicks "deserving" to win the celtics series - but that doesn't change the fact of how flukey/unlikely winning the 1st 2 games on the road was after being down 20 in both. Knicks were blown out of the building at home in game 3 and blown out on the road in game 5 (with no tatum). Sure they deserved to win, but they were not nearly as good as boston. Going into the year I always said they can beat Boston if they get luck with shooting variance or injuries - they got both (not just referring to tatum, but also the knicks being COMPLETELY HEALTHY WHICH WAS A MIRACLE).

Pacers series, outside of the 1st 3 1/2 quarters of game one they were pretty thoroughly outplayed despite Turner missing all his wide open 3s.

Pacers definitely had some special magic last year and results do matter - but like I said so does context. Nothing I said is "fan fiction". They were going to get smoked by any number of teams that came out of the west if they managed to get there. You can call that "fan fiction". OKC would have slaughtered them in 5.

I don’t play what if games. You’re going on a fan fiction rant when the reality is that we got to the ECF. Losing to the pacers who were literally about to win the chip is nothing to be shamed about.

Being completely healthy wasn’t a “miracle”. You’re forgetting that we just hired Casey Smith who’s considered to be one of the best trainers in the league. He did what he was supposed to do.