The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

[thebuzzardman]

Popovich definitely making that trade for Frank now.

[GONYK]

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Frank's body control was very impressive. He adjusted to contact without avoiding it.

It's amazing what he reveals when he doesn't overthink things.

[Kampuchea]

They were trying to trade him for a 2nd round pick. They don't see him as a player to develop they see him as a player they want to get rid of

Sad

I don't fully buy this. If they wanted to just be rid of Frank, they could have traded him for anything.

They wanted value back, and didn't get it, so they kept him.

Ian Begley was the source, not sure if he is reliable.

Also, it read like teams had offered a 2nd or late 1st and the Knicks "entertained" them. It happens so frequently where Berman and the crew make things up and we see it posted on these forums as fact for years afterward. I dismiss if it isn't from Sham or Woj

[Swish1906]

Yeah im kind of annoyed of franks good game. Would love to get him. Doncic/Wright/Brunson/Frank would be a perfect mix at the guard positions.

Too bad we cant deal our 2020 FRP, would trade it Top-10 protected in a heatbeat for Frank.

Don't worry. He'll wind up on the Mavs, next to KP, one way or another. I predicted KP going there months before it happened and always stated Frank would wind up there too, somehow.

Yours truly,
Buzztrodamus.

I doubt they will do trades dallas again not happening.

Yeah i also think that. Too much risk for Mills to look stupid if KP and Frank hit it off on the same team...

Too bad, wanted him allready before the KP trade. Thought he would be a perfect fit beside Luka and i knew allready they would dump DSJ somewhere...

[K_ick_God]

Frank was blowing on the fingertips.

[taj2133]

To be real here frank had his chance to start early and if you can't get starting job from jack, session, mudiay, and burke then you don't deserve to start that competition in front frank wasn't that hard.

Cmon man. We were bad and he’s a kid. You have to go through the growing pains with most kids. Most kids aren’t as game ready as guys who’ve been in the league for years.

The other thing to consider is what Fizz values. Take Melo for example. Dantoni wanted him traded in his prime. Right now he could walk into a gym and murder many NBA players but for some reason the fact that he could do that doesnt change his circumstances. Now theres enough posts talking about the why behind it, that's not my goal here but just to state it's not providing percieved value.

Well for Frank, how do you define a good game. Let's take this game for example. Luckily for Frank he scored in double digits to temporarily silence haters but what was his real value to this game..........shutting down Kemba Walker and I'd argue it should be placed in order of importance right behind Forniers 30pts. And let's say instead of scoring double digits he passed up those shots to another teammate who scored and that person scored those points, but he still played the sane defense and got the win?

And that's my issue with the Knicks. In the perfect world youd have 14 players who can all score and defend at the same time. But we have plenty of players who can't defend and seemingly dont get any hate and funny thing is, youd think that with all this freedom Fiz gives to iso scorers that one of them would average 20. Nope, most give you nothing on defense to them average a measly 12-13 points. But its Frank who has to justify his play.

Then we all know Fizz don't run any system so what exactly are we truly judging him on? His ability to outscore others in a system less program? Might as well call in JR Smith and Corey Maggette. These guys wouldve proven themselves to be the next Michael Jordan under that context. Wins surely didnt matter.

I just dont value what the guys who beat him out are to a team, once that team decides to run real plays with the expectation of winning games. And I think the moment you start doing that Frank would prove to be more valuable

Frank is the number 8 pick in his draft class he is lottery pick there expectation especially in nyc to produce him scoring 5 points is not acceptable. The expectation that i had was for frank to score 10 points ,5 assist, on 40 percent shooting that's wasn't some high expectation for him to do that. When your drafted that high you are expected to produce and quickly especially in nyc if frank was in small market team like charlotte where expectation aren't that high would let him develop him slowly. I will give you example lonzo ball had high expectation in big market team in Los Angles and didn't product to the lakers standards and shipped him out to new orleans where the expectation in new orleans aren't that high for ball and he can focus on basketball. I will give you another example look at fultz getting traded from the sixers to the orlando magic he didn't produce with the sixers and hasn't had chance to produce yet with orlando a small market team that going to take time develop fultz .

[taj2133]

Popovich definitely making that trade for Frank now.

There not trade him to spurs after morris situation that's not happening .

[god shammgod]

Avatars? Do I really need one of those? Really?

it's fine not to have one. it's just multiple people with the same one that's confusing.

thx - let me investigate!

tbh I must be at an extreme end of some spectrum. I know posters' names, but I really doubt I could identify avatars - at least beyond those that people have posted in words about (eg HW re the Kanter avi, buzz re the Frank avi and his current G-leaguer avi). I'd have no idea, without cheating, what your avi is, but 100% recognize your name.

It's weird, for me, as I did have many people insist on another (non-bb) board that I had to have an avi or else "no one" would read my posts.

it saves time. i don't even have to read the name, i can glance at the avatar for a split second and know who it is. but when multiple people have the same one i still do that out of habit and then have to go back and look.

[offense]

told yall frank haters he is nice!

[K_ick_God]

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[K_ick_God]

it's fine not to have one. it's just multiple people with the same one that's confusing.

thx - let me investigate!

tbh I must be at an extreme end of some spectrum. I know posters' names, but I really doubt I could identify avatars - at least beyond those that people have posted in words about (eg HW re the Kanter avi, buzz re the Frank avi and his current G-leaguer avi). I'd have no idea, without cheating, what your avi is, but 100% recognize your name.

It's weird, for me, as I did have many people insist on another (non-bb) board that I had to have an avi or else "no one" would read my posts.

it saves time. i don't even have to read the name, i can glance at the avatar for a split second and know who it is. but when multiple people have the same one i still do that out of habit and then have to go back and look.

Cancel your plans today and stay right where you are — we are about to add 20 pages to the Frank thread.

[taj2133]

Ian Begley report this today
What is Knicks' next move with Frank Ntilikina in wake of strong World Cup for France?
Some Knicks people have always lauded Ntilikina's ability to defend
By Ian Begley | 11:20AM
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Prior to the NBA Draft this past June, the Knicks talked to several teams about trades involving Frank Ntilikina. One of those teams said New York discussed a deal that would have returned an early second-round pick for the guard, per SNY sources.

Obviously, the Knicks didn't end up with an offer that they liked for Ntilikina. But it seemed then that the organization was set on jettisoning the 21-year-old.

Has that stance changed over the last few months? That's unclear.


But you'd think that Ntilikina's performance in France's win over Team USA on Wednesday is encouraging to the Knicks.

Ntilikina hit a game-tying 3-pointer with 4:33 to play and a deep jumper late in the shot clock with two minutes to play to give France a 6-point lead in their upset of Team USA. He finished with 11 points, three assists and one steal in 25 minutes.

France outscored Team USA by 22 when he was on the floor and Ntilikina's impact in the game's most pivotal stretch was clear. Team USA led by seven when Ntilikina entered the game with eight minutes to play in the fourth. France outscored Team USA by 17 after he checked in.

Ntilikina was yelling with teammates after the final buzzer, soaking in the aftermath of arguably the biggest win in the history of basketball in his country. He was screaming with his teammates and had the game ball in his hands as France huddled to celebrate the victory.

It was the kind of moment that you haven't seen often during Ntilikina's Knicks career.

The 6-7 guard was drafted No. 8 overall by Phil Jackson in 2017, presumably because he was a strong fit for Jackson's triangle offense. Days after making the pick, Jackson was fired by the Knicks. Steve Mills, the GM at the time, said that he fully supported the decision to draft Ntilikina.

But Ntilikina has been in and out of the Knicks rotation in his first three seasons in the NBA. Veteran point guards -- and point guards around the same age as Ntilikina -- have played ahead of him. Some people around Ntilikina -- and one rival GM -- predicted last season that his best basketball would be played somewhere else.

Will that prediction prove true, or will Ntilikina get a chance to play with this year's Knicks team? The club has point guards Dennis Smith Jr., Elfrid Payton and Kadeem Allen on the roster. And, earlier this summer, the plan entering camp was for Payton to be given every chance to win the starting job, per SNY sources. Given that scenario, Ntilikina will need to have a strong training camp -- especially on offense -- to earn a rotation spot.

Some Knicks people have always lauded Ntilikina's ability to defend. He has a 7-foot wingspan, moves well and can guard multiple positions. But those people felt that Ntilikina needed to produce more, and consistently, on offense to get regular playing time.

He also needs to stay healthy. Ntilikina suffered several injuries in his first three seasons that kept him out of the lineup. When he was healthy, Ntilikina wasn't often given the latitude to play through mistakes. But when he did play significant minutes for extended stretches, Ntilikina was inconsistent on offense. He averaged 5.7 points and 2.7 assists in 21 minutes per game last season.

But Ntilikina is only 21 years old and he gives the Knicks a presence on defense -- something that the team has said is a priority. So does it make sense for New York to take a patient approach with Ntilikina at this point in his career? Or should they continue to try to trade him even though the return would -- presumably -- be minimal?

One scout watching Wednesday's game -- and the entire World Cup -- noted that Ntilikina is moving well with the weight he's added. The scout also noted that Ntilikina played with a poise and confidence that the evaluator hadn't seen often in the NBA. If that confidence -- and his production on Wednesday -- translates to training camp, maybe Ntilikina can open some eyes and earn some minutes with New York.
https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/what-is-knicks-next-move-with-frank-ntilikina-in-wake-of-strong-world-cup-for-france/310658388

[HarthorneWingo]

Frank reminds me of garlic. The ingredient, garlic. Not pretty on its own. Often gets overshadowed in dishes. Not as attractive physically as spring onions, shallots, regular onions, etc. Sometimes just as expensive as the others. But goes with almost every single dish and makes just about every dish better. And doesn't need to stand out like other condiments/veggies (basketball analogy... doesn't have to pull off crossovers or dunks all the time)

I apparently underestimated you.

[Clyde_Style]

Dear Frank,

[dakomish23]

Peak What have you done for me lately

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[god shammgod]

I’m glad this thread is picking up more steam just to piss off sham. And I plan on keeping my avatar too

i hate you

[thebuzzardman]

Don't worry. He'll wind up on the Mavs, next to KP, one way or another. I predicted KP going there months before it happened and always stated Frank would wind up there too, somehow.

Yours truly,
Buzztrodamus.

I doubt they will do trades dallas again not happening.

Yeah i also think that. Too much risk for Mills to look stupid if KP and Frank hit it off on the same team...

Too bad, wanted him allready before the KP trade. Thought he would be a perfect fit beside Luka and i knew allready they would dump DSJ somewhere...

Which is why I say "one way or another". Like, through another team, might take 2 or 3 years. Traded once, traded again, traded, then released, etc.

[Capn'O]

Well damn

[thebuzzardman]

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Frank's body control was very impressive. He adjusted to contact without avoiding it.

It's amazing what he reveals when he doesn't overthink things.

I'd like to think or hope that playing with RJ and Iggy, guys who look to absorb some contact, and then finish, might teach Frank a thing or two.

In reality, Franks getting moved for a pick that doesn't completely suck, as soon as a team offers it.

[Clyde_Style]

In those clips, Frank's drives to the rim are:

1) powerful
2) faster
3) using his length to extend
4) handle tighter

Finally!

His strength training is resulting in more burst and quickness

He's starting to realize he can shoot over people on the way in. Look for him to learn to use the backboard to bank shots in. If he masters that, he'll have a weapon in the lane that is hard to block because he's so long