Rumors and Discussion Thread (NYK and NBA) V - Elfrid Payton Sucks

[thebuzzardman]

look, i know it sucks to watch a horrible team. i'm sick of it too. but was their an alternative that made sense ? nah. payton is the major complaint from me.

Yup. He really ruined it for me. Not so much even who he is, though I'll hate to see him play basketball. Just that the FO thought he was an ok idea.

Like the price etc, hate the player, hate what it might reveal about the FO's ability to gauge players.

Then again, Noel and Burks are solid, especially at their price, for what they are.

[robillionaire]

look, i know it sucks to watch a horrible team. i'm sick of it too. but was their an alternative that made sense ? nah. payton is the major complaint from me.

yes. draft younger players instead of win now players. use the 33rd pick. use cap space to get picks. don't sign a bunch of washed up vets like elfrid payton

[jvsimonetti0514]

You know this starting lineup is coming at some point this season. Prepare your cornholes:

Payton
Burks
Bullock
Randle
Noel

I hereby dub that lineup the 5 horsemen of the apocalypse.

If that happens, I’m holding a sell the team protest outside MSG.

[NotDikembeSayNo]

I think it's time to consider you ARE DikembeSayNo

Not quite sure who that is I just know that I’m def not him

It's confusing in that you act like a bit like his past reputation

Can’t know for sure but I bet he would find that funny considering the amount of times he was called a homer before he like much of the fan base three their arms up in disgust after the Melo disaster.

[thebuzzardman]

This is the rough part of FA, where we must express sorrow over every 10th man signed by another team.

[Jeff Van Gully]

pinson back

edit: this thread moves too damn fast. lol.

[mpharris36]

look, i know it sucks to watch a horrible team. i'm sick of it too. but was their an alternative that made sense ? nah. payton is the major complaint from me.

i think we all agree but we still have a ton of money what are we doing with it?

are we taking on contracts to get extra draft captial that would be the only legit use.

Not spending is not an option, utilize the cap even if it is taking on small deals and getting second round picks.

[thebuzzardman]

Not quite sure who that is I just know that I’m def not him

It's confusing in that you act like a bit like his past reputation

Can’t know for sure but I bet he would find that funny considering the amount of times he was called a homer before he like much of the fan base three their arms up in disgust after the Melo disaster.

He was gone long before the Melo disaster.

I know, because I hung out on another site he ran.

Or was that "WhowantstosexMutumbo"?

Hard to keep track of

[Capn'O]

as far as i can tell, there isn't a point out there worth signing now. so i don't really care if they sign anyone. i rather they didn't. even with the knicks luck, there's nothing to do but tank.

Oh wellsky.

[NotDikembeSayNo]

This is the rough part of FA, where we must express sorrow over every 10th man signed by another team.

For the record, outside of a handful of guys I couldn’t care any less that we are “missing out“ on some of these players. It’s moreo bringing back turds like Payton and trying to make something out of Theo Pinson as opposed to riding with Frank/Quickley or Iggy that is annoying.

[robillionaire]

look, i know it sucks to watch a horrible team. i'm sick of it too. but was their an alternative that made sense ? nah. payton is the major complaint from me.

Yup. He really ruined it for me. Not so much even who he is, though I'll hate to see him play basketball. Just that the FO thought he was an ok idea.

Like the price etc, hate the player, hate what it might reveal about the FO's ability to gauge players.

Then again, Noel and Burks are solid, especially at their price, for what they are.

I concur. No FO that thought bringing Payton back is fit to run an NBA team. There's no hope going forward because this is their idea of a good signing. We already know they're unfit for the job, we don't need to see how bad it gets from here. We know.

[god shammgod]

look, i know it sucks to watch a horrible team. i'm sick of it too. but was their an alternative that made sense ? nah. payton is the major complaint from me.

Yup. He really ruined it for me. Not so much even who he is, though I'll hate to see him play basketball. Just that the FO thought he was an ok idea.

Like the price etc, hate the player, hate what it might reveal about the FO's ability to gauge players.

Then again, Noel and Burks are solid, especially at their price, for what they are.

i'll be fair, payton being back might be less about him and more of what they think about frank/dsjr. he might have been all they could get. but spending another year on the randle/payton 2 man show is madness. it's obvious they're not the future here. so even if they give you slightly better results, who cares ?

[thebuzzardman]

This is the rough part of FA, where we must express sorrow over every 10th man signed by another team.

For the record, outside of a handful of guys I couldn’t care any less that we are “missing out“ on some of these players. It’s moreo bringing back turds like Payton and trying to make something out of Theo Pinson as opposed to riding with Frank/Quickley or Iggy that is annoying.

Absolutely. It's amazing how much just the resigning of Payton has ruined the offseason for me.

Well, that and that Obi and Randle are completely redundant players and yet Randle is still here.

[snadler]

What’s worse for this franchise, the KP trade or the wasted lottery picks on Frank and Knox?

[Mr Rabbit]

look, i know it sucks to watch a horrible team. i'm sick of it too. but was their an alternative that made sense ? nah. payton is the major complaint from me.

That and the Obi pick *ducks*

[NotDikembeSayNo]

It's confusing in that you act like a bit like his past reputation

Can’t know for sure but I bet he would find that funny considering the amount of times he was called a homer before he like much of the fan base three their arms up in disgust after the Melo disaster.

He was gone long before the Melo disaster.

I know, because I hung out on another site he ran.

Or was that "WhowantstosexMutumbo"?

Hard to keep track of

It was definitely him that helped run another site but I would imagine that he blatantly remembers taking tons of **** for feverishly defending every Donnie Walsh move including striking out on every big name free agent and ending up with Amare. Heard he even defended the Glen Rice era and had a Clarence Weatherspoon based user name! Apparently.

[Capn'O]

Torrey Craig's best role is as a backup. Why are we grousing about not signing him? Is there evidence we were trying to?

Folks want us to sign someone to say we sign someone at this point and making up fake narratives to be mad. I wondered why I didn’t post much on here anymore this weekend has reminded me why.

Missing the point, and it’s not about these specific players it’s just the idea that the Knicks are the only team with cap space left, can offer playing time and more money and these role players would choose less money, be 3rd stringers on good teams that come to the Knicks..

It damn sure is about specific players when you start grousing about players not "choosing" the Knicks when we never offered that player a contract.

[Juco24]

look, i know it sucks to watch a horrible team. i'm sick of it too. but was their an alternative that made sense ? nah. payton is the major complaint from me.

Yeah man... those of us who've been around for a while know that the real complaint was EP. Everything else seemed reasonable. I'm tired of the treadmill. Get us at least one lottery pick (praying for #1) and the Dallas pick.

Hell, DSJ or Frank may even become serviceable.

F that notion of signing guys like Hayward who gets us on the treadmill and VERY little else.

21... picks and money for a better draft and free agent class. Let's go!

[BBALLER4FR]

SO we looking at

DSJr/Payton/Quickley
Bullok/Burks/Frank
RJ/Knox
Randle/Obi/Davis
Mitch/Nerlins


Anticipating the SF/PF/C politics...

[Jeff Van Gully]

look, i know it sucks to watch a horrible team. i'm sick of it too. but was their an alternative that made sense ? nah. payton is the major complaint from me.

Yup. He really ruined it for me. Not so much even who he is, though I'll hate to see him play basketball. Just that the FO thought he was an ok idea.

Like the price etc, hate the player, hate what it might reveal about the FO's ability to gauge players.

Then again, Noel and Burks are solid, especially at their price, for what they are.

I concur. No FO that thought bringing Payton back is fit to run an NBA team. There's no hope going forward because this is their idea of a good signing. We already know they're unfit for the job, we don't need to see how bad it gets from here. We know.

better off just leaving it to the kids, especially after what we've already seen.

i could POSSIBLY get it as a mentor vet, but you know he wants to play. if he gets beaten out he can be released with little consequence, but why even do that dance? and why with him?