[Camelo Thread Part 11] - Knicks make offer? Pg 82

[kingmalaki]

Broussard also said he talked to people in his camp and Melo is willing to wait for Free Agency if Denver doesn't trade him to NY now.

I would honestly call his bluff if I were Denver's management. How often have guys honestly walked away and left $$ on the table. New CBA, potential lockout....yeah, I call that bluff.

I'm also not a billionaire.

[god shammgod]

Broussard also said he talked to people in his camp and Melo is willing to wait for Free Agency if Denver doesn't trade him to NY now.

Good then good day Denver. Maybe we'll talk in July.

One very underrated possibility is that around June 28, Melo agrees not to exercise his early termination in exchange for a trade to the Knicks. Price will go down then though, probably. Maybe not a lot, but some.

Anyone heard anything more on whether Melo is showing up for tonight's game?

i really believe that denver will give in before the trade deadline. it's too risky not to do so.

[rammagen]

It seems Walsh doesn't even want to make a deal.

Let's hope you're right.

I hope so too but it just seems too obvious. Remember the first offer? Gallo, Curry and a first? That was one of those," Eh, well it's on my lap. Umm do you think you would take this?" kind of deals. He knows what he has to do and he's not doing it because he doesn't want to give up the youth well all he has to do is look at Portland. Team oozing with youth and talent and no health. Gallo has already shown he doesn't have the durability he could have. If he offered Gallo, Fields, AR, and the 1st the Nuggets would at least say hmm. That;s another reason why I don't think the Nugegts even want to deal with us. They are now like, " Ahh sh*t now we have to deal with Walsh again." because they know he's being frugal.

I have to question the Gallo health thing, granted he hurt his back but was healthy last year and this year someone took a dive into his knee. That type of injury hie proved he is better then average that type of injury throws people out for awhile not 5 games

[atribecalledrch]

After all of this, Melo shouldn't care. If I were him I'd leave. NO MLE, no sign and trade nothing. Let them dig themselves out of their graves. And I wouldn't give a damn about the fans. I carried this team for 7 years and you wanna boo me? What am I your slave? I'm supposed to stay with this chickensh*t FO? please. This is why I can't dislike Lebron for leaving only for letting his narcissism make it into a media circus and being an arrogant egotistical pile of manuer.

[stuporman]

At what point will other teams actually step up with offers to compete with what the Knicks have offered. I think the Knicks made a fair offer at this point. They put the pick out there, they put the coveted young guy and another young guy... it's enough to show they are serious. It's a starting point at least.

It's up to Denver to come back with some feedback more than just 'no'. Let the Knicks know what you want and then negotiate it's not going to be the Nets trade value but that's not there anymore. They can't expect it to be even close to that value at this point.

It's also up to another team to actually step up with an offer or something other than just rumors. That would go along way to establishing a value to beat for the Knicks to offer. What if no other team steps up? What if other than scraps no team wants to dump any real assets for a Melo rental.

Do the Nuggs then not trade Melo and risk it all? Will they take less from another team claiming 'preference'? If the Knicks offer the best deal unquestionably then I'd like to see how Denver acts. It will be interesting to see how this plays out....

[Knickplaya]

Broussard also said he talked to people in his camp and Melo is willing to wait for Free Agency if Denver doesn't trade him to NY now.

I would honestly call his bluff if I were Denver's management. How often have guys honestly walked away and left $$ on the table. New CBA, potential lockout....yeah, I call that bluff.

I'm also not a billionaire.

There is no way Denver does not trade him. Denver still may trade him for a rental offer.

[Jitpal]

Boy, Kreonke has to be Cranky. -Jitpal

[swisscheeseD]

Thanks for the research Kosmo...I knew that the Ted Stepien Rule didn't allow a team to trade back to back picks and that it prevented teams from trading picks they possibly couldn't have due to the provisions attached....not having as pick to trade until 2017 is mind boggling. We really need to move AR for an unprotected 2012 pick or back to Houston for our own.

I said it earlier in this thread that I don't see the Rockets as much of a threat to trade young talent for a Melo rental, but are rather scaring us into overpaying for our 2012 pick back. I know Morey had interest in AR earlier in the season...maybe he's trying to get more.

LOL, that research was posted 2 days ago, when Larry Coon had his Salary Cap chat.

Sorry I didn't see it amongst the 11 Hundred Page threads on the Carmelo topic....evidently I'm not the only one, seeing as everyone is still claiming that we are trading our 2014 pick in some of these proposed packages.

If you feel the need to be recognized since you were the one who posted it first, kudos to you...what would we do without you?

[K_ick_God]

At what point will other teams actually step up with offers to compete with what the Knicks have offered. I think the Knicks made a fair offer at this point. They put the pick out there, they put the coveted young guy and another young guy... it's enough to show they are serious. It's a starting point at least.

It's up to Denver to come back with some feedback more than just 'no'. Let the Knicks know what you want and then negotiate it's not going to be the Nets trade value but that's not there anymore. They can't expect it to be even close to that value at this point.

It's also up to another team to actually step up with an offer or something other than just rumors. That would go along way to establishing a value to beat for the Knicks to offer. What if no other team steps up? What if other than scraps no team wants to dump any real assets for a Melo rental.

Do the Nuggs then not trade Melo and risk it all? Will they take less from another team claiming 'preference'? If the Knicks offer the best deal unquestionably then I'd like to see how Denver acts. It will be interesting to see how this plays out....

Agreed, this will be interesting to see play out.

There are 2 unusual things seemingly going on:

- Melo is not simply going for the quick buck. That hardly ever happens.

- Denver is inexperienced and is kind of doing a hatchet job. Plus you get a feeling that they might cut off their nose to spite their face. I don't think that has EVER happened, where a team just makes a self-damaging decision in order to spite a team and a player. Possible here however.

And then you have the CBA negotiations in the background and they could take on a life of their own that influences this.

[Knickplaya]

The Nuggets will play poker on this for as long as they can, or until it gets too ugly and becomes more of a PR nightmare. They will hope that a team gets desperate and offers a nice rental offer, and everything comes down to driving the price up for the Knicks, that's what it's all about.

[Guy986]

I think Morey is serious about rent-a-Melo.

Heres what he said yesterday on a Houston radio broadcast.

Host: Lets see how I can put this without getting you in trouble. Has anything on the Eastern seaboard happened of note that might have peaked your interest?

Morey: Interesting how that recent episode turned out. I do think that puts us in the game there a little bit. (referring to the Nets pulling out)

Host: But do you think that.....whatever happened that means whoever did that is out of the game? Guess we cant beat around the bush and not get you in trouble.

Morey: Yeah, I rather not get fined. We're always trying to upgrade the team. Yesterday it worked in our favor a little bit.

Host: I know you wont talk about who you talk to but how much conversing is going on between you and other teams? Any hypotheticals with teams at this stage or does that not heat up until another 2-3 weeks?

Morey: There is tons of trade talk. Deals that are done by the deadline are usually already starting to be talked about right now. Just the nature of the NBA.

Caller: 2 questions. Are you familiar with Chess?

Morey: Yes.

Caller: Regarding Carmelo Anthony and recent developments, do you think it's worth it to give up 2 bishops, 2 rooks, and a couple pawns of for a queen.

Morey: I think uhh.....running gambits is good for the franchise of where we're at right now.

source: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=199424

[nykstevenyg]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4tuzehw


Just add a first rounder coming from Minnesota to Denver.

I think this trade works

The only useful players we are dealing are chandler and fields. I rather deal gallo though.

[nykinoz]

I don't think other teams are willing to offer anything now. Look at what us fans know from the Journo's, we get daily updates saying it's NY or nothing. You gotta know NBA front offices are more wired in than anyone in the media, and if the same message is being spread by Melo and his agents, only the dumbasses like NJ are going to bid against us.

Denver may well be canvassing the league, but everybody is going to say the same thing, "yeah, we are interested, but only if he signs the extension. We don't want to lose him to NY for nothing".

Melo ain't signing the extension, so the competition is zero.

[kosmovitelli]

Koz, we can still trade a 2014 pick with a simple stipulation: "if ny does not convey 2012 pick to houston, then ny sends 2015 pick, etc"

It's how we still traded picks in curry trade despite owing a protected 1st for marbury.

It was a different situation as the Knicks were almost guaranteed to have the Spurs first round pick that year (Nazr trade). NY would send Chicago their 2006 own first round pick unprotected on condition that the pick would not actually go to Utah and also on condition that New York would receive San Antonio’s 2006 first round pick (top 10 protected). If our pick went to Utah then the stipulation was that we would send Chicago San Antonio's first round pick. Either way, Chicago would receive a first round pick (our own or San Antonio) thay year. We didn't defer a pick, we had to give Chicago a 2006 first round pick. Having San Antonio's pick allowed the Knicks to avoid the Ted Stepien rule.

Right now, the first round pick we owe to Houston is protected until 2015. If we trade another first round pick, the Stepien rule will apply and technically the "First Allowable Draft" (as written in the rule) would be 2017. Therefore Knicks can't trade their first round pick until 2017. I guess that's why Larry Coon said we can't trade our pick in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016. Under the rule, the Knicks could stipulate that the first allowable draft shall be the draft that occurs two years following the year in which NY satisfies its first obligation to convey a future first round draft pick to the Rockets. As you said, If the pick goes to Houston in 2012 then the first allowable shall be 2014, if not 2015, 2016 or 2017. It means right now we can't trade our 2014 first round pick unless we include potential future first round picks all the way until 2017. We would have no control of our first round picks until 2017. Obviously we don't want to do that. Therefore, even though it's possible in theory, we really can't trade our 2014-2016 first round picks. It's a bit complicated because the Ted Stepien rule is written in NBA By-Laws (not in the CBA) and it's not possible for the public to access those documents.

[Knickplaya]

Maybe some teams think they can convince Melo to sign the extension. If I am the Bulls GM and I really think I can get Melo for Deng, or for whoever, I think I can sell Melo to play with Rose and Boozer.

[kane2021]

I don't think other teams are willing to offer anything now. Look at what us fans know from the Journo's, we get daily updates saying it's NY or nothing. You gotta know NBA front offices are more wired in than anyone in the media, and if the same message is being spread by Melo and his agents, only the dumbasses like NJ are going to bid against us.

Denver may well be canvassing the league, but everybody is going to say the same thing, "yeah, we are interested, but only if he signs the extension. We don't want to lose him to NY for nothing".

Melo ain't signing the extension, so the competition is zero.

I agree with you on the FO's. They know whats the deal. If I had to guess, I would think that Denver is hoping we pay another team for a player they covet. And other teams will be looking to tax the crap out of us IE the Houston deal last season.

Walsh has expressed some regret in that deal. And we are only a minor move away from being able to offer a max contract to Melo. So I think we are stuck at a dead lock for the time being.

And thats a good thing honestly. Im sure Donnie has a back up plan. Where we make a deal that opens a few more bucks on the cap, and maybe even nets us another serviceable player.

[kingmalaki]

I think Morey is serious about rent-a-Melo.

Heres what he said yesterday on a Houston radio broadcast.

Host: Lets see how I can put this without getting you in trouble. Has anything on the Eastern seaboard happened of note that might have peaked your interest?

Morey: Interesting how that recent episode turned out. I do think that puts us in the game there a little bit. (referring to the Nets pulling out)

Host: But do you think that.....whatever happened that means whoever did that is out of the game? Guess we cant beat around the bush and not get you in trouble.

Morey: Yeah, I rather not get fined. We're always trying to upgrade the team. Yesterday it worked in our favor a little bit.

Host: I know you wont talk about who you talk to but how much conversing is going on between you and other teams? Any hypotheticals with teams at this stage or does that not heat up until another 2-3 weeks?

Morey: There is tons of trade talk. Deals that are done by the deadline are usually already starting to be talked about right now. Just the nature of the NBA.

Caller: 2 questions. Are you familiar with Chess?

Morey: Yes.

Caller: Regarding Carmelo Anthony and recent developments, do you think it's worth it to give up 2 bishops, 2 rooks, and a couple pawns of for a queen.

Morey: I think uhh.....running gambits is good for the franchise of where we're at right now.

source: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=199424

I think he is serious and has the nuts to call Melo's bluff on leaving $$ on the table. As far as how much he is willing to give to rent him....who knows.

[GONYK]

I think he is serious and has the nuts to call Melo's bluff on leaving $$ on the table. As far as how much he is willing to give to rent him....who knows.

Melo is not leaving Denver to sign in Houston. He isn't just getting out of there because he is tired of Colorado.

[spree254]

Watching the game and saw a report that we will soon be making the Nugs an offer , the reporter was bucher i think . I thought i read you guys had said an offer was made already n rejected . Interesting thing was he said the Knicks werent gonna drag it out because of player distraction s.

[louieOrr]

. Interesting thing was he said the Knicks werent gonna drag it out because of player distraction s.

That stood out to me as well