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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1421 » by 21shumpshumpst » Tue Oct 2, 2012 5:04 pm

adrenaLINe wrote:
buddy you guys are the ones who made it about race...

I was just trying to paint a picture of how he is raised... did you hear me say Lin was raised like this... and the other NBA black players or whites players are not?

im sure there are other NBA players raised just like Lin...

but

im not talking about other players...

im fine about talking about how his race factors into it..

we can pretend race dosent matter in the USA...or in basketball for that matter

but you know it does...

and it factors into what the haters write about Lin


NO ONE MADE IT ABOUT RACE BUT YOU.

You are the one who tried to spew crap about how Asians are raised better than americans and brought in your ridiculous links to articles.

Fact is you think anyone who doesn't think Lin is the greatest pg every is a hater. Also, that if anyone dares question Lin's abilities there are racial undertones behind that.

YOU ARE WRONG ON BOTH COUNTS.

I don't care what race Lin is. I know what I saw with my eyes. I never thought that highly of him. I thought he was the Tebow of the NBA. Right place right time.

If you want to call me a hater because of it go ahead. But don't EVER call me or anyone else out who doesn't agree with your views on lins are racists. Because essentially that is what you are doing and there is ZERO truth to it.
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1422 » by adrenaLINe » Tue Oct 2, 2012 5:07 pm

adrenaLINe wrote:
GettinitDone wrote:Lin just posted this a few days back

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He looks NOT satisfied. In fact, he looks pissed. Bass not big enough. Things can always improve and get better. That's a winning mentality. What a winner :)



Asians are like that...

the other day I was finding myself getting angry at my son... for only memorizing his multiplication up to 3 times table

and then one of the mothers I talk to said he is only 5....

Lin probably had the same type of parenting...

you could see it last year when Woodsen got pissed at him...

Lin did better after he got yelled at...

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Dunning–Kruger effect


We've all seen it: the employee who's convinced she's doing a great job and gets a mediocre performance appraisal, or the student who's sure he's aced an exam and winds up with a D.

The tendency that people have to overrate their abilities fascinates Cornell University social psychologist David Dunning, PhD. "People overestimate themselves," he says, "but more than that, they really seem to believe it. I've been trying to figure out where that certainty of belief comes from."

Dunning is doing that through a series of manipulated studies, mostly with students at Cornell. He's finding that the least competent performers inflate their abilities the most; that the reason for the overinflation seems to be ignorance, not arrogance; and that chronic self-beliefs, however inaccurate, underlie both people's over and underestimations of how well they're doing.

Meanwhile, other researchers are studying the subjective nature of self-assessment from other angles. For example, Steven Heine, PhD, a psychologist at the University of British Columbia, is showing that self-inflation tends to be more of a Western than a universal phenomenon



Regardless of how pervasive the phenomenon is, it is clear from Dunning's and others' work that many Americans, at least sometimes and under some conditions, have a tendency to inflate their worth. It is interesting, therefore, to see the phenomenon's mirror opposite in another culture. In research comparing North American and East Asian self-assessments, Heine of the University of British Columbia finds that East Asians tend to underestimate their abilities, with an aim toward improving the self and getting along with others.

These differences are highlighted in a meta-analysis Heine is now completing of 70 studies that examine the degree of self-enhancement or self-criticism in China, Japan and Korea versus the United States and Canada. Sixty-nine of the 70 studies reveal significant differences between the two cultures in the degree to which individuals hold these tendencies, he finds.

In another article in the October 2001 Journal of Personality and Social Psychology (Vol. 81, No. 4), Heine's team looks more closely at how this occurs. First, Japanese and American participants performed a task at which they either succeeded or failed. Then they were timed as they worked on another version of the task. "The results made a symmetrical X," says Heine: Americans worked longer if they succeeded at the first task, while Japanese worked longer if they failed.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb03/overestimate.aspx


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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1423 » by adrenaLINe » Tue Oct 2, 2012 5:09 pm

21shumpshumpst wrote:
adrenaLINe wrote:
GettinitDone wrote:Lin just posted this a few days back

Image

He looks NOT satisfied. In fact, he looks pissed. Bass not big enough. Things can always improve and get better. That's a winning mentality. What a winner :)



Asians are like that...

the other day I was finding myself getting angry at my son... for only memorizing his multiplication up to 3 times table

and then one of the mothers I talk to said he is only 5....

Lin probably had the same type of parenting...

you could see it last year when Woodsen got pissed at him...

Lin did better after he got yelled at...

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Dunning–Kruger effect


We've all seen it: the employee who's convinced she's doing a great job and gets a mediocre performance appraisal, or the student who's sure he's aced an exam and winds up with a D.

The tendency that people have to overrate their abilities fascinates Cornell University social psychologist David Dunning, PhD. "People overestimate themselves," he says, "but more than that, they really seem to believe it. I've been trying to figure out where that certainty of belief comes from."

Dunning is doing that through a series of manipulated studies, mostly with students at Cornell. He's finding that the least competent performers inflate their abilities the most; that the reason for the overinflation seems to be ignorance, not arrogance; and that chronic self-beliefs, however inaccurate, underlie both people's over and underestimations of how well they're doing.

Meanwhile, other researchers are studying the subjective nature of self-assessment from other angles. For example, Steven Heine, PhD, a psychologist at the University of British Columbia, is showing that self-inflation tends to be more of a Western than a universal phenomenon



Regardless of how pervasive the phenomenon is, it is clear from Dunning's and others' work that many Americans, at least sometimes and under some conditions, have a tendency to inflate their worth. It is interesting, therefore, to see the phenomenon's mirror opposite in another culture. In research comparing North American and East Asian self-assessments, Heine of the University of British Columbia finds that East Asians tend to underestimate their abilities, with an aim toward improving the self and getting along with others.

These differences are highlighted in a meta-analysis Heine is now completing of 70 studies that examine the degree of self-enhancement or self-criticism in China, Japan and Korea versus the United States and Canada. Sixty-nine of the 70 studies reveal significant differences between the two cultures in the degree to which individuals hold these tendencies, he finds.

In another article in the October 2001 Journal of Personality and Social Psychology (Vol. 81, No. 4), Heine's team looks more closely at how this occurs. First, Japanese and American participants performed a task at which they either succeeded or failed. Then they were timed as they worked on another version of the task. "The results made a symmetrical X," says Heine: Americans worked longer if they succeeded at the first task, while Japanese worked longer if they failed.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb03/overestimate.aspx


With all due respect STFU and don't make this out to be about race. Or about how Asians are better than americans because of blah blah. Keep it to basketball.



you made it about race buddy...


I was just trying to point out his mindset......

how getting yelled at...

or getting tooled in a match up will make Lin work even harder...
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1424 » by 21shumpshumpst » Tue Oct 2, 2012 5:12 pm

adrenaLINe wrote:
21shumpshumpst wrote:
adrenaLINe wrote:

Asians are like that...

the other day I was finding myself getting angry at my son... for only memorizing his multiplication up to 3 times table

and then one of the mothers I talk to said he is only 5....

Lin probably had the same type of parenting...

you could see it last year when Woodsen got pissed at him...

Lin did better after he got yelled at...

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Dunning–Kruger effect


We've all seen it: the employee who's convinced she's doing a great job and gets a mediocre performance appraisal, or the student who's sure he's aced an exam and winds up with a D.

The tendency that people have to overrate their abilities fascinates Cornell University social psychologist David Dunning, PhD. "People overestimate themselves," he says, "but more than that, they really seem to believe it. I've been trying to figure out where that certainty of belief comes from."

Dunning is doing that through a series of manipulated studies, mostly with students at Cornell. He's finding that the least competent performers inflate their abilities the most; that the reason for the overinflation seems to be ignorance, not arrogance; and that chronic self-beliefs, however inaccurate, underlie both people's over and underestimations of how well they're doing.

Meanwhile, other researchers are studying the subjective nature of self-assessment from other angles. For example, Steven Heine, PhD, a psychologist at the University of British Columbia, is showing that self-inflation tends to be more of a Western than a universal phenomenon



Regardless of how pervasive the phenomenon is, it is clear from Dunning's and others' work that many Americans, at least sometimes and under some conditions, have a tendency to inflate their worth. It is interesting, therefore, to see the phenomenon's mirror opposite in another culture. In research comparing North American and East Asian self-assessments, Heine of the University of British Columbia finds that East Asians tend to underestimate their abilities, with an aim toward improving the self and getting along with others.

These differences are highlighted in a meta-analysis Heine is now completing of 70 studies that examine the degree of self-enhancement or self-criticism in China, Japan and Korea versus the United States and Canada. Sixty-nine of the 70 studies reveal significant differences between the two cultures in the degree to which individuals hold these tendencies, he finds.

In another article in the October 2001 Journal of Personality and Social Psychology (Vol. 81, No. 4), Heine's team looks more closely at how this occurs. First, Japanese and American participants performed a task at which they either succeeded or failed. Then they were timed as they worked on another version of the task. "The results made a symmetrical X," says Heine: Americans worked longer if they succeeded at the first task, while Japanese worked longer if they failed.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb03/overestimate.aspx


With all due respect STFU and don't make this out to be about race. Or about how Asians are better than americans because of blah blah. Keep it to basketball.



you made it about race buddy...


I was just trying to point out his mindset......

how getting yelled at...

or getting tooled in a match up will make Lin work even harder...


Look at the bold...the fact that you don't even comprehend how YOU BROUGHT UP RACE based on that remark makes you look really really dumb. Not surprising.
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1425 » by adrenaLINe » Tue Oct 2, 2012 5:19 pm

what ever you say hater... the fact that you would jump on this as being one race against another... really shows your true colors...

btw I did not know Americans are a RACEof people...
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1426 » by adrenaLINe » Tue Oct 2, 2012 5:21 pm

Asians are like that...

in reply to this quote


"He looks NOT satisfied. In fact, he looks pissed. Bass not big enough. Things can always improve and get better. That's a winning mentality. What a winner :)"
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1427 » by nykballa2k4 » Tue Oct 2, 2012 5:32 pm

I seriously wish people could speak about what is rather than hypothesize. AdrenaLin: Jeremy Lin is American, we have no idea what drives him and how he was raised. I have Asian friends with "tiger moms" and Asian friends who smoke a lot of pot, parents don't push them at all.

Jeremy the person/player from what we have seen via media outlets is driven like Kobe/KG to do the best he can. He mentioned studying film of other point guards to get better.
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Post#1428 » by adrenaLINe » Tue Oct 2, 2012 5:39 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:I seriously wish people could speak about what is rather than hypothesize. AdrenaLin: Jeremy Lin is American, we have no idea what drives him and how he was raised. I have Asian friends with "tiger moms" and Asian friends who smoke a lot of pot, parents don't push them at all.

Jeremy the person/player from what we have seen via media outlets is driven like Kobe/KG to do the best he can. He mentioned studying film of other point guards to get better.



yes your right all we can do is hypothesize. and thats what I am doing in a Jlin thread...



if he is the

"Asian friends who smoke a lot of pot, parents don't push them at all."

Asian friends with "tiger moms"

makes for a more interesting discussion...

in a Jlin thread

unless people want to talk about the color of his poop today?


although Shump might think I was injecting Race into the discussion.... by discussing different colors
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1429 » by 21shumpshumpst » Tue Oct 2, 2012 5:43 pm

adrenaLINe wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:I seriously wish people could speak about what is rather than hypothesize. AdrenaLin: Jeremy Lin is American, we have no idea what drives him and how he was raised. I have Asian friends with "tiger moms" and Asian friends who smoke a lot of pot, parents don't push them at all.

Jeremy the person/player from what we have seen via media outlets is driven like Kobe/KG to do the best he can. He mentioned studying film of other point guards to get better.



yes your right all we can do is hypothesize. and thats what I am doing in a Jlin thread...



if he is the

"Asian friends who smoke a lot of pot, parents don't push them at all."

Asian friends with "tiger moms"

makes for a more interesting discussion...

in a Jlin thread

unless people want to talk about the color of his poop today?


although Shump might think I was injecting Race into the discussion.... by discussing different colors


NO ONE CARES LIN IS OF ASIAN DECENT NO ONE.

We only care about what he can do or not do in a basketball court. WE DON'T CARE IF HE WAS RAISED BY ASIAN CHIMPANZEES OR DOLPHINS.

I am sure things you described about people getting yelled at and reacting positively to it can apply to a whole bunch of nba players not just Lin. However the way you speak in this thread makes it out as if because he is Asian he corners the market on reacting positively to being yelled at by his parents and coaches.

Btw the guy who said "omg he is upset he didn't catch a bigger fish" is a completely tool and is looking way too much into a random pic where lin might or might not have been upset. Probably he was just taking a random pic and decided not to smile. Yet you monkeys take it and run with it as if he is this great god that is not pleased unless he captures the lochness monster.

You lin fans are making fools of yourselves on this thread and you don't even realize it.
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1430 » by bklynstoops » Tue Oct 2, 2012 5:54 pm

i love lin, but some of this stuff is clearly projecting and it's just sad.
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Post#1431 » by adrenaLINe » Tue Oct 2, 2012 5:55 pm

21shumpshumpst wrote:
adrenaLINe wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:I seriously wish people could speak about what is rather than hypothesize. AdrenaLin: Jeremy Lin is American, we have no idea what drives him and how he was raised. I have Asian friends with "tiger moms" and Asian friends who smoke a lot of pot, parents don't push them at all.

Jeremy the person/player from what we have seen via media outlets is driven like Kobe/KG to do the best he can. He mentioned studying film of other point guards to get better.



yes your right all we can do is hypothesize. and thats what I am doing in a Jlin thread...



if he is the

"Asian friends who smoke a lot of pot, parents don't push them at all."

Asian friends with "tiger moms"

makes for a more interesting discussion...

in a Jlin thread

unless people want to talk about the color of his poop today?


although Shump might think I was injecting Race into the discussion.... by discussing different colors


NO ONE CARES LIN IS OF ASIAN DECENT NO ONE.

We only care about what he can do or not do in a basketball court. WE DON'T CARE IF HE WAS RAISED BY ASIAN CHIMPANZEES OR DOLPHINS.

I am sure things you described about people getting yelled at and reacting positively to it can apply to a whole bunch of nba players not just Lin. However the way you speak in this thread makes it out as if because he is Asian he corners the market on reacting positively to being yelled at by his parents and coaches.

Btw the guy who said "omg he is upset he didn't catch a bigger fish" is a completely tool and is looking way too much into a random pic where lin might or might not have been upset. Probably he was just taking a random pic and decided not to smile. Yet you monkeys take it and run with it as if he is this great god that is not pleased unless he captures the lochness monster.

You lin fans are making fools of yourselves on this thread and you don't even realize it.


no dude were in a Jlin thread... talking about his mindset... and once again I did not say that other NBA players are not going to have the same upbringing as Lin

and I didnt say it because we are in a Jlin thread...

tell me which NBA player your a Fan boy of and ill be sure to post up.. positive stuff about him... in a Jlin thread

so you can feel welcome and better... about your hate on him...

o wait Shump probably has had a tiger mom too...

satisfied?

dude with 12000 post in a Jlin fan boy thread... freaking out...
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Post#1432 » by adrenaLINe » Tue Oct 2, 2012 6:04 pm

bklynstoops wrote:i love lin, but some of this stuff is clearly projecting and it's just sad.


Id be projecting if I was saying because of his cultural upbringing he is going to do better than the other NBA players...

which im not saying is the case...

I am saying because of his upbringing he will continue to try and get better especially if he fails at a task...

for some reason guys like Shump think I am saying he is better than the other NBA players... because of his upbringing...

which is NOT the case...
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1433 » by Thugger HBC » Tue Oct 2, 2012 7:19 pm

adrenaLINe wrote:
bklynstoops wrote:i love lin, but some of this stuff is clearly projecting and it's just sad.


Id be projecting if I was saying because of his cultural upbringing he is going to do better than the other NBA players...

which im not saying is the case...

I am saying because of his upbringing he will continue to try and get better especially if he fails at a task...

for some reason guys like Shump think I am saying he is better than the other NBA players... because of his upbringing...

which is NOT the case...

That's the point.

His upbringing would have guided him in a different direction, his family hoped he fail, so as not to do so anymore.

But here's the kicker.....

No one cares he's of Asian descent but Asians.


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Post#1434 » by adrenaLINe » Tue Oct 2, 2012 7:43 pm

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adrenaLINe wrote:
bklynstoops wrote:i love lin, but some of this stuff is clearly projecting and it's just sad.


Id be projecting if I was saying because of his cultural upbringing he is going to do better than the other NBA players...

which im not saying is the case...

I am saying because of his upbringing he will continue to try and get better especially if he fails at a task...

for some reason guys like Shump think I am saying he is better than the other NBA players... because of his upbringing...

which is NOT the case...

That's the point.

His upbringing would have guided him in a different direction, his family hoped he fail, so as not to do so anymore.

But here's the kicker.....

No one cares he's of Asian descent but Asians.


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well here is the kicker...

thats probably why he is such a big draw by the Asians...

it isnt because they think he is the best PG out there...best player in the world... can walk on water or part it like you guys think we Jlin fans think...

it is because he got a Harvard Degree and was sleeping on his younger brothers couch who is going to University at the time...

you could imagine the flack Lin was getting from the family and parents... I can relate to that

just like could imagine I would have got

I assume most others its Rudy" Ruettiger esq...

for his parents... they probably thought being paid 700,000 a year to put a ball into a hoop was good money, and probably good enough for him do for a few years... until he got it out of his system... and then he would get a real job on Wall Street

where playing in the NBA would be a great addition to his resume...


when I was younger my parents wanted me to be an Accountant... got so disappointed when I became a Pro Trader

thats until I started to rake in the money
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1435 » by bklynstoops » Tue Oct 2, 2012 7:49 pm

adrenaLINe wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
adrenaLINe wrote:Id be projecting if I was saying because of his cultural upbringing he is going to do better than the other NBA players...

which im not saying is the case...

I am saying because of his upbringing he will continue to try and get better especially if he fails at a task...

for some reason guys like Shump think I am saying he is better than the other NBA players... because of his upbringing...

which is NOT the case...

That's the point.

His upbringing would have guided him in a different direction, his family hoped he fail, so as not to do so anymore.

But here's the kicker.....

No one cares he's of Asian descent but Asians.


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well here is the kicker...

thats probably why he is such a big draw by the Asians...

it isnt because they think he is the best PG out there...best player in the world... can walk on water or part it like you guys think we think...

it is because he got a Harvard Degree and was sleeping on his younger brothers couch who is going to University at the time...

you could imagine the flack Lin was getting from the family and parents... just like could imagine I would have got

I assume most others its Rudy" Ruettiger esq...

for his parents... they probably thought being paid 700,000 a year to put a ball into a hoop was good money, and probably good enough for him do for a few years... until he got it out of his system... and then he would get a real job on Wall Street

where playing in the NBA would be a great addition to his resume...


this is a clear example of you projecting. just because he's Asian, you're trying to project your own experience on the the kid. you should stop.
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1436 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Tue Oct 2, 2012 7:58 pm

Last warning. Cut the crap about what ethnicity he is. Next person to post about it is getting suspended.
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Post#1437 » by adrenaLINe » Tue Oct 2, 2012 7:59 pm

im relating

yes hard work, and perseverance is such bad traits to project...

take your own advice...you should stop cheering for the Knicks...

judging from the way the mood in this forum goes... when the Knicks lose or win a game
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Post#1438 » by god shammgod » Tue Oct 2, 2012 8:02 pm

with respect to everyone, perhaps when the season starts this thread should go. it's become a soapbox for one guy who wanted lin to leave the knicks all along anyway.
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Post#1439 » by Thugger HBC » Tue Oct 2, 2012 8:13 pm

adrenaLINe wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
adrenaLINe wrote:Id be projecting if I was saying because of his cultural upbringing he is going to do better than the other NBA players...

which im not saying is the case...

I am saying because of his upbringing he will continue to try and get better especially if he fails at a task...

for some reason guys like Shump think I am saying he is better than the other NBA players... because of his upbringing...

which is NOT the case...

That's the point.

His upbringing would have guided him in a different direction, his family hoped he fail, so as not to do so anymore.

But here's the kicker.....

No one cares he's of Asian descent but Asians.


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well here is the kicker...

thats probably why he is such a big draw by the Asians...

it isnt because they think he is the best PG out there...best player in the world... can walk on water or part it like you guys think we Jlin fans think...

it is because he got a Harvard Degree and was sleeping on his younger brothers couch who is going to University at the time...

you could imagine the flack Lin was getting from the family and parents... I can relate to that

just like could imagine I would have got

I assume most others its Rudy" Ruettiger esq...

for his parents... they probably thought being paid 700,000 a year to put a ball into a hoop was good money, and probably good enough for him do for a few years... until he got it out of his system... and then he would get a real job on Wall Street

where playing in the NBA would be a great addition to his resume...


when I was younger my parents wanted me to be an Accountant... got so disappointed when I became a Pro Trader

thats until I started to rake in the money

But I'd bet you don't follow Yi and Wang Zhizhi though.

And first of all, you have no clue what I think.

But I will freely TELL you what i think.

I think you have a grave inferiority complex, and you're reaching for anything that can support you to a level you normally cannot achieve.

And you're using Lin's success in a twisted way to rationalize your own life.

But anyways, I'll play your game.....

http://tealeafnation.com/2012/02/sure-jeremy-lin-can-shoot-hoops-but-can-he-speak-chinese/

Now feel free to tell me what is different between this young man and any other, since you're swearing to the mountains it's because of his asian descent of which once again.....

NO ONE CARES.
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Re: All Lin talk here 

Post#1440 » by frogfood » Tue Oct 2, 2012 8:33 pm

god shammgod wrote:with respect to everyone, perhaps when the season starts this thread should go. it's become a soapbox for one guy who wanted lin to leave the knicks all along anyway.


For the love of God this. Love Lin but that poster needs to just go post on the Rockets board.

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