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Re: Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason! 

Post#1421 » by SelbyCobra » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:51 am

Masai4PM wrote:Is there anybody on the Raptors you guys would trade Mitchell Robinson for?
O.G Anunoby? Terrance Davis and a future 1st?


The thing is, the Knicks are so talent deficient, and Mitch's ceiling is about as high as any young, non-star, that he's exactly the type of asset that we need to rock with until the wheels fall off. It doesn't make sense to grab a higher floor, lower ceiling player and/or future assets. He IS the future asset - they hit on him as the longshot draft pick, and now the only really smart play is to wait and see just how much of his immense promise they can tap into.
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Post#1422 » by jermsknicks » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:57 am

Smithers wrote:Don't want FVV. We would be signing him to be our main guy which I don't think he could be. He played alongside Siakam/Lowry/Kawhi. I think giving him big money to be our main guy would be a mistake.


RJ is the main guy. If Randle is still here or hopefully he gets flipped for Woods, but either way FVV is the 3rd guy. You would have to pair FVV with another scorer in the backcourt.
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Post#1423 » by KnicksGadfly » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:09 am

Smithers wrote:Don't want FVV. We would be signing him to be our main guy which I don't think he could be. He played alongside Siakam/Lowry/Kawhi. I think giving him big money to be our main guy would be a mistake.


FVV will be masquerading as a 1st option if we get him...true. But the difference between all that is that FVV will still be able to shoot and play defense. He'll be able to handle the ball and pass. When it comes time to get the 1A caliber type of guy, FVV will still be able to play next to him, and he's proven it.

If we can pay Randle, Portis, Ellington, Payton and all these guys to give us negative production, we can certainly dump all those guys, pay FVV, and use the other cap space for what we need (it'll be hard to dump Randle, but yea). Still if you asked me today, would you rather pay 18-20 for Randle or pay more for FVV, the decision seems really easy to me. The other thing is that while Randle hinders Mitch and RJ's growth, I presume that FVV will be able to contribute to their growth. Spacing the floor, setting a defensive culture, and nose to the ground grinding. We'd have an identity. Put FVV, Frank/draft pick, RJ and Mitch together, and all of a sudden you got 4 guys on the floor who want to play defense, being led by Thibs.

It will be an overpay...yea. But the thing is, half our roster is composed of rookie contracts anyway, so in theory, if FVV improves our young players' production, we get plus value from their contracts and negative from his. I want this dilemma of having to figure out how to pay all these amazing young players' extensions, but currently, our dilemma is how we can scam some teams into taking a former lotto pick so we can move up six slots in the lotto.

I ain't that stuck on FVV because we don't know how the draft will look like, but if we get him, I'll be happy. I can get behind the logic.
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Post#1424 » by -YogiBiz- » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:37 am

I don't know man; if we get FVV, Kennard just makes sense in between him and RJ at the 2.

He can shoot the lights out the ball, and he's a really good secondary playmaker. FVV and Kennard would be a perfect backcourt behind an RJ & Mitch led frontcourt.
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Post#1425 » by -YogiBiz- » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:47 am

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Smithers wrote:Don't want FVV. We would be signing him to be our main guy which I don't think he could be. He played alongside Siakam/Lowry/Kawhi. I think giving him big money to be our main guy would be a mistake.


FVV will be masquerading as a 1st option if we get him...true. But the difference between all that is that FVV will still be able to shoot and play defense. He'll be able to handle the ball and pass. When it comes time to get the 1A caliber type of guy, FVV will still be able to play next to him, and he's proven it.

If we can pay Randle, Portis, Ellington, Payton and all these guys to give us negative production, we can certainly dump all those guys, pay FVV, and use the other cap space for what we need (it'll be hard to dump Randle, but yea). Still, if you asked me today, would you rather pay 18-20 for Randle or pay more for FVV, the decision seems really easy to me. The other thing is that while Randle hinders Mitch and RJ's growth, I presume that FVV will be able to contribute to their growth. Spacing the floor, setting a defensive culture, and nose to the ground grinding. We'd have an identity. Put FVV, Frank/draft pick, RJ and Mitch together, and all of a sudden you got 4 guys on the floor who want to play defense, being led by Thibs.

It will be an overpay...yea. But the thing is, half our roster is composed of rookie contracts anyway, so in theory, if FVV improves our young players' production, we get plus value from their contracts and negative from his. I want this dilemma of having to figure out how to pay all these amazing young players' extensions, but currently, our dilemma is how we can scam some teams into taking a former lotto pick so we can move up six slots in the lotto.

I ain't that stuck on FVV because we don't know how the draft will look like, but if we get him, I'll be happy. I can get behind the logic.


We would actually still have the cap space to sign a Giannis+something for the bench with Fred VanVleet's & Julius Randle's contract on the books as well. We could still have the contracts for RJ, Frank, and Mitch on the books as well.
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Post#1426 » by Milk » Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:52 pm

According to a league source with knowledge of the Knicks thinking, some members of New York’s front office are “all in” on VanVleet as a free agent target, feeling that he is the best available player on the market. Despite speculation that the front office is not looking to add any long term money to the books, the source said they are planning on being involved in the sweepstakes for the combo guard this October.

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Post#1427 » by bleedblue3303 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:03 am

Milk wrote:
According to a league source with knowledge of the Knicks thinking, some members of New York’s front office are “all in” on VanVleet as a free agent target, feeling that he is the best available player on the market. Despite speculation that the front office is not looking to add any long term money to the books, the source said they are planning on being involved in the sweepstakes for the combo guard this October.

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Post#1428 » by Ray Williams » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:35 am

FVV is also a shoe deal free agent. He’d sell a lot more shoes if he were a Knick than say Detroit or Phoenix.
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Post#1429 » by KnicksGadfly » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:35 am

-YogiBiz- wrote:I don't know man; if we get FVV, Kennard just makes sense in between him and RJ at the 2.

He can shoot the lights out the ball, and he's a really good secondary playmaker. FVV and Kennard would be a perfect backcourt behind an RJ & Mitch led frontcourt.


My dream is that Frank continues to build on his 3 point success
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Post#1430 » by -YogiBiz- » Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:27 am

KnicksGadfly wrote:
-YogiBiz- wrote:I don't know man; if we get FVV, Kennard just makes sense in between him and RJ at the 2.

He can shoot the lights out the ball, and he's a really good secondary playmaker. FVV and Kennard would be a perfect backcourt behind an RJ & Mitch led frontcourt.


My dream is that Frank continues to build on his 3 point success


My dream is for Frank to HAVE 3 Point success.
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Post#1431 » by KnicksGadfly » Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:16 pm

I'm ashamed to be posting from the post, so sue me.

Can [Tom Thibodeau] and [Leon] Rose trust Facundo Campazzo to drive the Knicks offense, like Mark Cuban did with Luka Doncic in Dallas? — John

The slick-passing Argentine point guard is rumored to be on Minnesota’s radar with fellow countryman Pablo Prigioni on its staff. Campazzo is a former Real Madrid point guard and teammate of Doncic. He’s ready to test the NBA waters as a free agent in either late October/November. The Knicks have scouted Campazzo, need point-guard help and like his game. Whether they will be a serious bidder for the 29-year-old is unclear, but his is a name to keep in mind, pending draft results.


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Post#1432 » by -YogiBiz- » Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:42 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:I'm ashamed to be posting from the post, so sue me.

Can [Tom Thibodeau] and [Leon] Rose trust Facundo Campazzo to drive the Knicks offense, like Mark Cuban did with Luka Doncic in Dallas? — John

The slick-passing Argentine point guard is rumored to be on Minnesota’s radar with fellow countryman Pablo Prigioni on its staff. Campazzo is a former Real Madrid point guard and teammate of Doncic. He’s ready to test the NBA waters as a free agent in either late October/November. The Knicks have scouted Campazzo, need point-guard help and like his game. Whether they will be a serious bidder for the 29-year-old is unclear, but his is a name to keep in mind, pending draft results.


https://nypost.com/2020/08/26/mailbag-why-do-some-nba-players-hate-the-knicks/


His 3pt shot is a hit or miss. I wouldn't be mad at grabbing him as a backup, wouldn't want to give more than the Exception.
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Post#1433 » by Fo-Real » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:03 pm

I think a guy like Kelly Oubre would be polarizing in NY, I just dont know why or how it would happen.
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Post#1434 » by F N 11 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:09 pm

Knicks apparently targeting Bertans according to NBC Sports. Good to know we like shooters.
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Post#1435 » by mpharris36 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:11 pm

F N 11 wrote:Knicks apparently targeting Bertans according to NBC Sports. Good to know we like shooters.


so far we have been linked to FVV, Harris, and Bertans...things looking up.

I would be ok with any of these signings.

are we actually valuing shooting???
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Post#1436 » by F N 11 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:12 pm

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F N 11 wrote:Knicks apparently targeting Bertans according to NBC Sports. Good to know we like shooters.


so far we have been linked to FVV, Harris, and Bertans...things looking up.

I would be ok with any of these signings.

Even if we dont get those guys, the fact that we are looking to build around RJ and Mitch is key after last years failure to open up the court.
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Post#1437 » by mpharris36 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:14 pm

F N 11 wrote:
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F N 11 wrote:Knicks apparently targeting Bertans according to NBC Sports. Good to know we like shooters.


so far we have been linked to FVV, Harris, and Bertans...things looking up.

I would be ok with any of these signings.

Even if we dont get those guys, the fact that we are looking to build around RJ and Mitch is key after last years failure to open up the court.


yes any of these compliments our young core...unlike what tweedle dee and tweedle dumb gave us last year.
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Post#1438 » by F N 11 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:20 pm

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F N 11 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
so far we have been linked to FVV, Harris, and Bertans...things looking up.

I would be ok with any of these signings.

Even if we dont get those guys, the fact that we are looking to build around RJ and Mitch is key after last years failure to open up the court.


yes any of these compliments our young core...unlike what tweedle dee and tweedle dumb gave us last year.

I am under the impression they do not even know RJ's game. By they i mean Perry and Mills. Cutting Perry slack bc I think Mills is that bad. Mixing RJ and Mitch attacking ability with shooters can be interesting. Especially since RJ, Mitch, and potentially FVV all play defense.
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Post#1439 » by a-French-Fan » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:15 am

mpharris36 wrote:
F N 11 wrote:Knicks apparently targeting Bertans according to NBC Sports. Good to know we like shooters.


so far we have been linked to FVV, Harris, and Bertans...things looking up.

I would be ok with any of these signings.

are we actually valuing shooting???

I really like Bertans but ... refusing to go to bubble to keep value, I really dislike this. This is like he feared to not be good as he showed last months, and this way to think can't be good for any team with ambition.
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Post#1440 » by DowNY » Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:43 am

Bored and in the mood to brainstorm trade ideas that won’t happen.

Charlotte needs talent bad, Timberwolves are chilling and probably don’t mind trading a back a few times to fill out roster after trading for DLo & we still lowkey want LaMelo.

Hornets get: #1 pick (to draft Edwards)
Knicks get: #3 pick and Nicolas Batum
Wolves get: #8 pick, Malik Monk, Dennis Smith Jr, Kevin Knox, pick #27 & Hornets 2021 1st (top 3 protected)

Alter it and try it make it better :dontknow:

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