Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion

[Wildcat]

Losing 5 FRPs and Hartenstein was a big loss---let's be honest. Rooting for Bridges to turn it around but he looks completely out of confidence out there.

It may have just put a ceiling on this team as a good team that does not stand much of a chance against the elite teams.

Bridges never really was THAT guy. He needs the ball in his hands to make plays, but he's the clear 3rd option and Hart just does Hart things.

Hope that KAT gets hurt, misses a month, so that:
A) We can reassert Bridges as a go-to player when Brunson is out
B) Return to a defensive identity featuring a rim protecting big man
C) Effectively keep KAT in bubble wrap in preparation for the playoffs
D) Drop to the 4th seed so that we can see the Cavs in round 2 and put off the Celtics till the final should A-C be effective.

I rather take the 2nd round exit so this team can put some character together for next season. Whether they meet Boston or Cleveland in the 2nd round, the Knicks ain't winning. I don't know how much more obvious that can be that those are Tier A teams and the Knicks are a Tier B. Nothing wrong with that if they can built on it.

[nykballa2k4]

Losing 5 FRPs and Hartenstein was a big loss---let's be honest. Rooting for Bridges to turn it around but he looks completely out of confidence out there.

It may have just put a ceiling on this team as a good team that does not stand much of a chance against the elite teams.

Bridges never really was THAT guy. He needs the ball in his hands to make plays, but he's the clear 3rd option and Hart just does Hart things.

Hope that KAT gets hurt, misses a month, so that:
A) We can reassert Bridges as a go-to player when Brunson is out
B) Return to a defensive identity featuring a rim protecting big man
C) Effectively keep KAT in bubble wrap in preparation for the playoffs
D) Drop to the 4th seed so that we can see the Cavs in round 2 and put off the Celtics till the final should A-C be effective.

I rather take the 2nd round exit so this team can put some character together for next season. Whether they meet Boston or Cleveland in the 2nd round, the Knicks ain't winning. I don't know how much more obvious that can be that those are Tier A teams and the Knicks are a Tier B. Nothing wrong with that if they can built on it.

I mean, we are pretty much maxed out unless someone wants to give us a gift.

I think we have better personnel than the Cavs and if they can be a credible threat to the Celtics, then so can we. It's not the players, it's the system.
Mitch - real back up C - Huk
Towns - Precious
OG - Hart
Bridges - McBride
Brunson - Kolek

That's what we need to be.

[Wildcat]

Bridges never really was THAT guy. He needs the ball in his hands to make plays, but he's the clear 3rd option and Hart just does Hart things.

Hope that KAT gets hurt, misses a month, so that:
A) We can reassert Bridges as a go-to player when Brunson is out
B) Return to a defensive identity featuring a rim protecting big man
C) Effectively keep KAT in bubble wrap in preparation for the playoffs
D) Drop to the 4th seed so that we can see the Cavs in round 2 and put off the Celtics till the final should A-C be effective.

I rather take the 2nd round exit so this team can put some character together for next season. Whether they meet Boston or Cleveland in the 2nd round, the Knicks ain't winning. I don't know how much more obvious that can be that those are Tier A teams and the Knicks are a Tier B. Nothing wrong with that if they can built on it.

I mean, we are pretty much maxed out unless someone wants to give us a gift.

I think we have better personnel than the Cavs and if they can be a credible threat to the Celtics, then so can we. It's not the players, it's the system.
Mitch - real back up C - Huk
Towns - Precious
OG - Hart
Bridges - McBride
Brunson - Kolek

That's what we need to be.

I do agree we're maxed out in a sense, but I can't really look at Leon and say we're SOL. I think this team can swing something in the Summer if need be. But yeah, at this point, it's a systematic thing. Thibs way of coaching isn't resonating with me the way it was last year and it's absolutely frustrating to see us get out coached against better coaches.

[HarthorneWingo]

At the end of February last season we were 35-25.

We’re 37-20 right now.

It seems like last season’s team overachieved while this year’s team, while sporting the better record, is underachieving. This says to me that this season’s team is better and can achieve more than last season’s team.

So just relax your sphincters.

[spree8]

Just blow it all up. Fire Leon, Thibs, trade them all


Brunson to PHX, KD to HOU, JGreen to DET, Amen+Ausar to NY
KAT for Brandon Miller+ filler/Nurkic


Get the tank rollin

[HarthorneWingo]

Just blow it all up. Fire Leon, Thibs, trade them all

Brunson to PHX, KD to HOU, JGreen to DET, Amen+Ausar to NY
KAT for Brandon Miller+ filler/Nurkic

Get the tank rollin

This is definitely NOT relaxing the sphincter.

[spree2kawhi]

At the end of February last season we were 35-25.

We’re 37-20 right now.

It seems like last season’s team overachieved while this year’s team, while sporting the better record, is underachieving. This says to me that this season’s team is better and can achieve more than last season’s team.

So just relax your sphincters.

This should be obvious, but this board is like a mental institution.

[nykballa2k4]

At the end of February last season we were 35-25.

We’re 37-20 right now.

It seems like last season’s team overachieved while this year’s team, while sporting the better record, is underachieving. This says to me that this season’s team is better and can achieve more than last season’s team.

So just relax your sphincters.

The problem is that there are 3 teams in the league that are measuring sticks, we are 0-7 against them.
We also have been completely out of every game. We have decidedly lost all of these games after the first quarter and the 4th could be used as garbage time.

end result is a 2nd round exit which will not look like progress and if we get swept (which Celtics could easily do to us) then it will be an embarrassment.

[nykballa2k4]

I rather take the 2nd round exit so this team can put some character together for next season. Whether they meet Boston or Cleveland in the 2nd round, the Knicks ain't winning. I don't know how much more obvious that can be that those are Tier A teams and the Knicks are a Tier B. Nothing wrong with that if they can built on it.

I mean, we are pretty much maxed out unless someone wants to give us a gift.

I think we have better personnel than the Cavs and if they can be a credible threat to the Celtics, then so can we. It's not the players, it's the system.
Mitch - real back up C - Huk
Towns - Precious
OG - Hart
Bridges - McBride
Brunson - Kolek

That's what we need to be.

I do agree we're maxed out in a sense, but I can't really look at Leon and say we're SOL. I think this team can swing something in the Summer if need be. But yeah, at this point, it's a systematic thing. Thibs way of coaching isn't resonating with me the way it was last year and it's absolutely frustrating to see us get out coached against better coaches.

I wasn't a big Donte guy, but we really miss having Fournier/Donte who would just be a straight up gunner at the 2. Hart has been elite but he can't shoot, OG has not been good full stop, and Bridges has looked like a passive Rip Hamilton and not a catch/shoot player.

would love for Thibs to get a brain worm and start using Matt Ryan just so I can see one guy just take like 8-9 threes a game and maybe hit 4-5 of them.

[sol537]

KAT back to MIN for Naz Reid (re-signed at $30m per), Divo, and Conley (expiring)...

Mitch / Huk
Reid / Hart
OG / Divo
Mikal / Deuce
Brunson / Conley

Come at me.

[finestrg]

I don't know why I torture myself because I believe we don't have our 1st rounder next summer, only those 2 heavily protected 1sts that won't convey again... I don't even think we have our own 2nd rounder (isn't that the pick we forfeited for tampering before we signed JB?)...BUT.... just curious what people think of these two PFs in next summer's draft:

Rasheer Fleming - 6'9" 240 from St. Joseph's
Thomas Sorber - 6'10" 250 from Gerogetown

Wow...So just reading Sorber is having season-ending foot surgery, expected to make a full recovery per G-Town... Good chance that hurts his draft stock now which is unfortunate.. I could picture him entering his name then withdrawing almost immediately unless some team takes a chance despite the injury and offers him a high enough promise. I mean could that be a an opportunity for us, say we liked him, provided we found a way to deal ourselves back into the 1st round somehow? I like Sorber a lot for us--not the quickest big you'll ever see, but he's a big/strong kid, a real two-way player.

As much as I like Sorber, I like Fleming even more. This kid's also huge and long, but quicker than Sorber, looks much more agile. Really runs the floor well. Continues to get better and better all the time... Dude's shooting his 3s over 40% this year on almost 5 attempts a game. Tremendous length, legit shot-blocker, gets a lot of steals and blocks, post game, can put it on the floor and get to the rim, improved outside shooter.

I'm not interested in dealing any of our core guys, but are either of these players worth coming up with a package that could include some combination of one or both of those protected 1sts, McBride, Dadiet, a 2nd rounder or two, etc., to deal ourselves back into this draft somewhere in the 15-20 range to hopefully have a crack at either guy? I think so... Would hate losing Deuce, but you gotta give to get. I think Deuce alone is good enough to get us a 1st round pick.. Then after adding some of these other sweeteners, I think we absolutely could get a pick in the 15-20 range, provided we found the right team that wanted to make a deal. And if we let Payne and Achiuwa walk, provided we made the necessary upgrades, perhaps we consider signing Rokas Jokubaitis and/or Hugo Besson to replace some of what Deuce brought to the table.

Bottom line -- I like Payne and Achiuwa but feel both are situational players. I'm looking at upgrading both spots for next year. I think Tyler Kolek is the upgrade over Payne who's already in house, so to me, we got that covered.. Feel like either Fleming or Sorber could be the upgrade I feel we need over Achiuwa.

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[HarthorneWingo]

At the end of February last season we were 35-25.

We’re 37-20 right now.

It seems like last season’s team overachieved while this year’s team, while sporting the better record, is underachieving. This says to me that this season’s team is better and can achieve more than last season’s team.

So just relax your sphincters.

The problem is that there are 3 teams in the league that are measuring sticks, we are 0-7 against them.
We also have been completely out of every game. We have decidedly lost all of these games after the first quarter and the 4th could be used as garbage time.

end result is a 2nd round exit which will not look like progress and if we get swept (which Celtics could easily do to us) then it will be an embarrassment.

Didn’t we have recent season where we beat the Sixers during the regular season and then got blown out by them in the playoffs? I’m we can find many similar examples. I really think that getting a healthy Mitch back is going to change the dynamics of this team for the better. It’ll move Towns to the 4 where he’s better suited defensively and it also pushes Josh to lengthening the bench. His return also makes us a much better overall defensive team.

Finally, Cleveland and Boston must have lost to teams worse than us because our records are (or were) so close.

I still hold out hope for our team to get it together before the playoffs start.

[HopelessKnick]

At the end of February last season we were 35-25.

We’re 37-20 right now.

It seems like last season’s team overachieved while this year’s team, while sporting the better record, is underachieving. This says to me that this season’s team is better and can achieve more than last season’s team.

So just relax your sphincters.

The problem is that there are 3 teams in the league that are measuring sticks, we are 0-7 against them.
We also have been completely out of every game. We have decidedly lost all of these games after the first quarter and the 4th could be used as garbage time.

end result is a 2nd round exit which will not look like progress and if we get swept (which Celtics could easily do to us) then it will be an embarrassment.

Didn’t we have recent season where we beat the Sixers during the regular season and then got blown out by them in the playoffs? I’m we can find many similar examples. I really think that getting a healthy Mitch back is going to change the dynamics of this team for the better. It’ll move Towns to the 4 where he’s better suited defensively and it also pushes Josh to lengthening the bench. His return also makes us a much better overall defensive team.

Finally, Cleveland and Boston must have lost to teams worse than us because our records are (or were) so close.

I still hold out hope for our team to get it together before the playoffs start.

I think for most it is not that we lost, but the way we lost which is disheartening. If say 4 out of those 7 games were close, tough games then it would feel different. It just feels like we have lost by an average margin of like 20 points to those teams.

I do agree that Mitch should help us out a lot. Covering for defensive deficiencies is one thing but like you said he'll essentially move Hart to the bench which should make our bench much better. All that being set you have to keep the following in mind: We traded Randle and DD (who was a fan favorite) as well as 6!!!first round draft picks (the Detroit pick is looking like a nice mid first rounder BTW). And today we are wondering whether we are looking at a better or worse season outcome in May. If you told me we'd trade Randle and DD and 6 FRPs ---4 of them unprotected (and Milwaukee pick certain to convey) and we'd get blown out 7 times against the league's elite....would you have been ok with that? So I can completely understand the frustration right now....

And on top of that...the guy we traded 5 FRPs for has been essentially catastrophically bad in those games against the league's elite...like he got literally benched for Deuce...

[HarthorneWingo]

The problem is that there are 3 teams in the league that are measuring sticks, we are 0-7 against them.
We also have been completely out of every game. We have decidedly lost all of these games after the first quarter and the 4th could be used as garbage time.

end result is a 2nd round exit which will not look like progress and if we get swept (which Celtics could easily do to us) then it will be an embarrassment.

Didn’t we have recent season where we beat the Sixers during the regular season and then got blown out by them in the playoffs? I’m we can find many similar examples. I really think that getting a healthy Mitch back is going to change the dynamics of this team for the better. It’ll move Towns to the 4 where he’s better suited defensively and it also pushes Josh to lengthening the bench. His return also makes us a much better overall defensive team.

Finally, Cleveland and Boston must have lost to teams worse than us because our records are (or were) so close.

I still hold out hope for our team to get it together before the playoffs start.

I think for most it is not that we lost, but the way we lost which is disheartening. If say 4 out of those 7 games were close, tough games then it would feel different. It just feels like we have lost by an average margin of like 20 points to those teams.

I do agree that Mitch should help us out a lot. Covering for defensive deficiencies is one thing but like you said he'll essentially move Hart to the bench which should make our bench much better. All that being set you have to keep the following in mind: We traded Randle and DD (who was a fan favorite) as well as 6!!!first round draft picks (the Detroit pick is looking like a nice mid first rounder BTW). And today we are wondering whether we are looking at a better or worse season outcome in May. If you told me we'd trade Randle and DD and 6 FRPs ---4 of them unprotected (and Milwaukee pick certain to convey) and we'd get blown out 7 times against the league's elite....would you have been ok with that? So I can completely understand the frustration right now....

And on top of that...the guy we traded 5 FRPs for has been essentially catastrophically bad in those games against the league's elite...like he got literally benched for Deuce...

I can’t argue too much with the Knicks naysayers here. I get disheartened when watching these games too. I guess I’m trying to stay positive hoping something just clicks with this team as we hit the final stretch of the season.

*fingers crossed*

[HopelessKnick]

I'm with you, trying to stay positive as well. I defended Mikal on every single occasion up until the recent two games. Really something snapped with me there----such a lifeless, scared, soft performance made me really turn on him a bit. And considering the price we gave up and how limited routes to improvement are, it feels like the team has that infamous 2nd round exit ceiling on them.

Yes, still much better than from 2000-2020 but still kinda disheartening. With the great and fun ride last season and 7 tradable FRPs etc. it felt like we'd be in a better position today.

I do however feel that Mitch's comeback can spark something and lead us toward a more satisfying last part of the season as well as playoffs. Fingers crossed.

[HarthorneWingo]

I'm with you, trying to stay positive as well. I defended Mikal on every single occasion up until the recent two games. Really something snapped with me there----such a lifeless, scared, soft performance made me really turn on him a bit. And considering the price we gave up and how limited routes to improvement are, it feels like the team has that infamous 2nd round exit ceiling on them.

Yes, still much better than from 2000-2020 but still kinda disheartening. With the great and fun ride last season and 7 tradable FRPs etc. it felt like we'd be in a better position today.

I do however feel that Mitch's comeback can spark something and lead us toward a more satisfying last part of the season as well as playoffs. Fingers crossed.

Would you undo the Town trade, the Mikal trade, or both?

[HopelessKnick]

I'm with you, trying to stay positive as well. I defended Mikal on every single occasion up until the recent two games. Really something snapped with me there----such a lifeless, scared, soft performance made me really turn on him a bit. And considering the price we gave up and how limited routes to improvement are, it feels like the team has that infamous 2nd round exit ceiling on them.

Yes, still much better than from 2000-2020 but still kinda disheartening. With the great and fun ride last season and 7 tradable FRPs etc. it felt like we'd be in a better position today.

I do however feel that Mitch's comeback can spark something and lead us toward a more satisfying last part of the season as well as playoffs. Fingers crossed.

Would you undo the Town trade, the Mikal trade, or both?

I wouldn't undo the Towns trade. Despite his talent on the basketball court, I really didn't appreciate Randle's overall demeanor. I also think Towns hold more value than what we gave up---although the Pistons pick does hurt.

The Bridges trade I would undo in a NY minute. I'm principally against trading unprotected FRPs 7 years into the future. Take a look at what happened to Memphis last season. If healthy they are a top 5 team but Morant got hurt and their season derailed. I think they ended up with a top 6 worst record or so. That can essentially happen at any time to any team. I'm also traumatized from 2000-2020 era where we ended up in the lottery multiple times and didn't even have our own pick. I personally would only give 2 unprotected FRPs and at most 2 years into the future (like this year's pick and the 2027 unprotected FRP). Now if the trade is for a superstar like Giannis or at least for someone on the level of Devin Booker then I may consider giving up a 3rd unprotected FRP in 2029.....but Bridges is not even close to that level. I think the FO completely miscalculated his ability, determination and heart.....

What about you?

Edit: I know the comparison is somewhat wrong but at this year's deadline you could have likely traded for Ingram and Hunter with those 5 FRPs and still have a pick or two left..... I know salaries wouldn't match and you wouldn't even want to do it etc.---but just speaking in terms of talent....

[sol537]

NYK Trades: KAT, Hart
PHX Trades: KD, Allen, Dunn, two future 1st rounders

Mitch / KD / OG / Bridges / Brunson w/ Deuce, Allen, Dunn, Huk off the pine. Much better team defensively and better overall shooting and depth. KD in his final contract year but he could stay on a 2-3 year team-friendly deal. PHX gets to pair KAT with Booker and stay semi-relevant for the next half decade as they lack picks anyway. Many around here would probably hate it, but KD is getting traded this summer no doubt. Probably to Miami.

[HopelessKnick]

NYK Trades: KAT, Hart
PHX Trades: KD, Allen, Dunn, two future 1st rounders

Mitch / KD / OG / Bridges / Brunson w/ Deuce, Allen, Dunn, Huk off the pine. Much better team defensively and better overall shooting and depth. KD in his final contract year but he could stay on a 2-3 year team-friendly deal. PHX gets to pair KAT with Booker and stay semi-relevant for the next half decade as they lack picks anyway. Many around here would probably hate it, but KD is getting traded this summer no doubt. Probably to Miami.

I actually think the Knicks could pull off a KD deal this time around because the Suns would have to stay relevant due to the Booker situation---the Suns can't go into rebuilding mode and just trade for picks. They'll likely go for good veterans to replace KD. I like your proposed line-up a lot, although I don't know how good KD is on defense these days.

For me the main problem here is that our bench would be paper thin....even thinner than this season. On top of that KD shortens our window significantly and could make those traded 2029 and 2031 picks really valuable.

[WargamesX]

Is there anything we could attach to Precisious to do a S&T from DDV?

Wolves might consider waiving him for space and might not ask for much to do that to Precious instead.