[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[K_ick_God]

No no no, I think you guys are misinterpreting what Dempsey wrote.

He's not saying it's the strongest comment indicating Melo will stay. He's saying it's the strongest comment on the subject of whether he feels the need to sign the extension, which Melo said he does not feel any urgency about.

So Dempsey is saying the opposite: It's his strongest statement yet about whether he'll sign the extension and Melo is indicating that he likely will not (or at least that he doesn't mind going to free agency at all).

At least that's how I read it. And Dempsey has always thought Melo will wind up with the Knicks. His wording there is weird, admittedly, but that's not what he meant.

[seren]

I think it is not a given Lala will work for msg. She may be able to do better than that in the city. My understanding is that she is supposed to be good at what she is doing. Having said that, MSG has done things to sidestep the salary rules. Take Allan Houston for example. He did not try a comeback after his initial retirement until his contract was over. In the meantime, he worked in the front office. Once the contract was over he tried his comeback. That way he saved huge amounts of luxury tax for the team.

I think it is a given Lala will work for MSG if she wants. I don't think it will have any effect on how much Melo will make. He will get the max.

[cgmw]

No no no, I think you guys are misinterpreting what Dempsey wrote.

He's not saying it's the strongest comment indicating Melo will stay. He's saying it's the strongest comment on the subject of whether he feels the need to sign the extension, which Melo said he does not feel any urgency about.

So Dempsey is saying the opposite: It's his strongest statement yet about whether he'll sign the extension and Melo is indicating that he likely will not (or at least that he doesn't mind going to free agency at all).

At least that's how I read it. And Dempsey has always thought Melo will wind up with the Knicks. His wording there is weird, admittedly, but that's not what he meant.

Really? So you think that the word "staying" really means "staying or not staying" as in:

"It was Carmelo's strongest statement to date about staying OR NOT STAYING with the Nuggets and signing a contract extension."

Ok, fair enough. Seems like a stretch, but I'll buy it.

[K_ick_God]

No no no, I think you guys are misinterpreting what Dempsey wrote.

He's not saying it's the strongest comment indicating Melo will stay. He's saying it's the strongest comment on the subject of whether he feels the need to sign the extension, which Melo said he does not feel any urgency about.

So Dempsey is saying the opposite: It's his strongest statement yet about whether he'll sign the extension and Melo is indicating that he likely will not (or at least that he doesn't mind going to free agency at all).

At least that's how I read it. And Dempsey has always thought Melo will wind up with the Knicks. His wording there is weird, admittedly, but that's not what he meant.

Really? So you think that the word "staying" really means "staying or not staying" as in:

"It was Carmelo's strongest statement to date about staying OR NOT STAYING with the Nuggets and signing a contract extension."

Ok, fair enough. Seems like a stretch, but I'll buy it.

Yes, that's what I believe he intended.

[ptsuperfly]

As a long time RGM member, I've cringed when repeatedly reading KG's crazy resolutions about the new CBA, Melo's intentions, and now Dempsey's intentions.



I love it.

CGMW was right when arguing the roll-back of contracts too. It'll never happen. And this 'grandfathering' in? Only if he's already under contract. I've read these forums for a month, and the only solution I can come up with is there is a large delusional portion of the fanbase.

[god shammgod]

As a long time RGM member, I've cringed when repeatedly reading KG's crazy resolutions about the new CBA, Melo's intentions, and now Dempsey's intentions.



I love it.

CGMW was right when arguing the roll-back of contracts too. It'll never happen. And this 'grandfathering' in? Only if he's already under contract. I've read these forums for a month, and the only solution I can come up with is there is a large delusional portion of the fanbase.

why come here for delusions ? the rebel is staging his own impromptu performance of "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" on a daily basis over at your board.

[captain subtext]

why come here for delusions ? the rebel is staging his own impromptu performance of "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" on a daily basis over at your board.

And as a mod he's playing both the roles of Taber and Nurse Ratched.

[K_ick_God]

As a long time RGM member, I've cringed when repeatedly reading KG's crazy resolutions about the new CBA, Melo's intentions, and now Dempsey's intentions.



I love it.

CGMW was right when arguing the roll-back of contracts too. It'll never happen. And this 'grandfathering' in? Only if he's already under contract. I've read these forums for a month, and the only solution I can come up with is there is a large delusional portion of the fanbase.

lol if you have a contract it's not 'Grandfathering' ... Michael Jordan was 'Grandfathered in' when he didn't have a contract. He was guaranteed not to have to take a paycut even though he didn't have a contract during the CBA changeover. Direct and exact precedent for Grandfathering in, right? That's what could happen with Melo, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Dwight Howard, etc. And it's what WILL happen unless they rollback the other contracts.

Just remember ... 105%, seniority, level playing field. None of it is delusional. There's ample evidence to show that this is how the NBA operates.

But what do you care anyway ... Melo is already stating -- pretty clearly -- that he doesn't care about losing some money.

So even if you don't agree with me, Melo is very much ready to leave the Nuggets without compensation. So it's a moot point.

[ptsuperfly]

As a long time RGM member, I've cringed when repeatedly reading KG's crazy resolutions about the new CBA, Melo's intentions, and now Dempsey's intentions.



I love it.

CGMW was right when arguing the roll-back of contracts too. It'll never happen. And this 'grandfathering' in? Only if he's already under contract. I've read these forums for a month, and the only solution I can come up with is there is a large delusional portion of the fanbase.

why come here for delusions ? the rebel is staging his own impromptu performance of "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" on a daily basis over at your board.

Eh ... We know our team's position, and we know that Melo will lose a good amount of money if he doesn't sign it.

We also know we'd rather see him walk than you guys get him for crappy role players.

[K_ick_God]

As a long time RGM member, I've cringed when repeatedly reading KG's crazy resolutions about the new CBA, Melo's intentions, and now Dempsey's intentions.



I love it.

CGMW was right when arguing the roll-back of contracts too. It'll never happen. And this 'grandfathering' in? Only if he's already under contract. I've read these forums for a month, and the only solution I can come up with is there is a large delusional portion of the fanbase.

why come here for delusions ? the rebel is staging his own impromptu performance of "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" on a daily basis over at your board.

Eh ... We know our team's position, and we know that Melo will lose a good amount of money if he doesn't sign it.

We also know we'd rather see him walk than you guys get him for crappy role players.

"good amount" of money. Can you be more specific?

Maybe a good amount of money to the average person. But not to Melo. He's a lock to make 85-95% of what he'd make signing the extension and there's a decent chance he'll make 100%.

[ptsuperfly]

As a long time RGM member, I've cringed when repeatedly reading KG's crazy resolutions about the new CBA, Melo's intentions, and now Dempsey's intentions.



I love it.

CGMW was right when arguing the roll-back of contracts too. It'll never happen. And this 'grandfathering' in? Only if he's already under contract. I've read these forums for a month, and the only solution I can come up with is there is a large delusional portion of the fanbase.

lol if you have a contract it's not 'Grandfathering' ... Michael Jordan was 'Grandfathered in' when he didn't have a contract. He was guaranteed not to have to take a paycut even though he didn't have a contract during the CBA changeover. Direct and exact precedent for Grandfathering in, right? That's what could happen with Melo, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Dwight Howard, etc. And it's what WILL happen unless they rollback the other contracts.

Just remember ... 105%, seniority, level playing field. None of it is delusional. There's ample evidence to show that this is how the NBA operates.

But what do you care anyway ... Melo is already stating -- pretty clearly -- that he doesn't care about losing some money.

So even if you don't agree with me, Melo is very much ready to leave the Nuggets without compensation. So it's a moot point.

Fair enough. I understand you're talking about normal union CBA, and you'd be right, but the NBA isn't normal.

The players will let them hammer new deals to prevent roll-backs, or a hard cap. That's the point of a new deal. Melo won't be allowed to bargain under the old CBA. The union would have to vote on roll-backs, and all players currently under contract would balk.

There's also the possibility of a franchise tag. Then Melo would be screwed.

[god shammgod]

As a long time RGM member, I've cringed when repeatedly reading KG's crazy resolutions about the new CBA, Melo's intentions, and now Dempsey's intentions.



I love it.

CGMW was right when arguing the roll-back of contracts too. It'll never happen. And this 'grandfathering' in? Only if he's already under contract. I've read these forums for a month, and the only solution I can come up with is there is a large delusional portion of the fanbase.

why come here for delusions ? the rebel is staging his own impromptu performance of "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" on a daily basis over at your board.

Eh ... We know our team's position, and we know that Melo will lose a good amount of money if he doesn't sign it.

We also know we'd rather see him walk than you guys get him for crappy role players.

so you know that whatever way it works out you'll probably be the losers in all of this and you still come here in an attempt to gloat. if that's not delusional i don't know what is.

[K_ick_God]

As a long time RGM member, I've cringed when repeatedly reading KG's crazy resolutions about the new CBA, Melo's intentions, and now Dempsey's intentions.



I love it.

CGMW was right when arguing the roll-back of contracts too. It'll never happen. And this 'grandfathering' in? Only if he's already under contract. I've read these forums for a month, and the only solution I can come up with is there is a large delusional portion of the fanbase.

lol if you have a contract it's not 'Grandfathering' ... Michael Jordan was 'Grandfathered in' when he didn't have a contract. He was guaranteed not to have to take a paycut even though he didn't have a contract during the CBA changeover. Direct and exact precedent for Grandfathering in, right? That's what could happen with Melo, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Dwight Howard, etc. And it's what WILL happen unless they rollback the other contracts.

Just remember ... 105%, seniority, level playing field. None of it is delusional. There's ample evidence to show that this is how the NBA operates.

But what do you care anyway ... Melo is already stating -- pretty clearly -- that he doesn't care about losing some money.

So even if you don't agree with me, Melo is very much ready to leave the Nuggets without compensation. So it's a moot point.

Fair enough. I understand you're talking about normal union CBA, and you'd be right, but the NBA isn't normal.

The players will let them hammer new deals to prevent roll-backs, or a hard cap. That's the point of a new deal. Melo won't be allowed to bargain under the old CBA. The union would have to vote on roll-backs, and all players currently under contract would balk.

There's also the possibility of a franchise tag. Then Melo would be screwed.

Huh? All of these things are in the NBA ... not some other union. I'm talking about Michael Jordan the basketball player, not the one in the United Auto Workers.

MJ the basketball player was Grandfathered In *without* a contract.

[K_ick_God]

so you know that whatever way it works out you'll probably be the losers in all of this and you still come here in an attempt to gloat. if that's not delusional i don't know what is.

Anyone who admits what he just admitted automatically wins the Delusional Poster of the Year Award.

He's saying: I'd rather the Nuggets lose more than to see the Knicks win. Classic biting off nose to spite face, which is not something sane people generally do lol.

This is like a slam dunk case of crazy talk.

[ptsuperfly]

why come here for delusions ? the rebel is staging his own impromptu performance of "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" on a daily basis over at your board.

Eh ... We know our team's position, and we know that Melo will lose a good amount of money if he doesn't sign it.

We also know we'd rather see him walk than you guys get him for crappy role players.

"good amount" of money. Can you be more specific?

Maybe a good amount of money to the average person. But not to Melo. He's a lock to make 85-95% of what he'd make signing the extension and there's a decent chance he'll make 100%.

He already said he wasn't willing to lose 15-20 mill. That's what he'd lose in the last year of his deal if he signs under the new CBA.

You guys need more cap space too. I'm pretty sure Melo will sign the extension no matter what, then try to force a trade if it's still with the Nuggets. If it's with NJ or you guys, or maybe the Clippers or the Lakers, he'll stick it out.

[ptsuperfly]

so you know that whatever way it works out you'll probably be the losers in all of this and you still come here in an attempt to gloat. if that's not delusional i don't know what is.

Anyone who admits what he just admitted automatically wins the Delusional Poster of the Year Award.

He's saying: I'd rather the Nuggets lose more than to see the Knicks win. Classic biting off nose to spite face, which is not something sane people generally do lol.

This is like a slam dunk case of crazy talk.

Yep. That's what we're saying.

Your past 10 years we've already been through. The 1990's. We joke that the Nuggets are cursed, and we're ready to make Melo lose the money rather than take mostly garbage and glorified 2nd rounders.

[K_ick_God]

so you know that whatever way it works out you'll probably be the losers in all of this and you still come here in an attempt to gloat. if that's not delusional i don't know what is.

Anyone who admits what he just admitted automatically wins the Delusional Poster of the Year Award.

He's saying: I'd rather the Nuggets lose more than to see the Knicks win. Classic biting off nose to spite face, which is not something sane people generally do lol.

This is like a slam dunk case of crazy talk.

Yep. That's what we're saying.

Your past 10 years we've already been through. The 1990's. We joke that the Nuggets are cursed, and we're ready to make Melo lose the money rather than take mostly garbage and glorified 2nd rounders.

Ummm well you're not running the Nuggets. And usually good business management doesn't include Kamikaze piloting.

This is really a juvenile discussion to have.

[ptsuperfly]

We also know Kroenke's pretty pissed at you guys for tampering, and probably feels the same way.

[god shammgod]

so you know that whatever way it works out you'll probably be the losers in all of this and you still come here in an attempt to gloat. if that's not delusional i don't know what is.

Anyone who admits what he just admitted automatically wins the Delusional Poster of the Year Award.

He's saying: I'd rather the Nuggets lose more than to see the Knicks win. Classic biting off nose to spite face, which is not something sane people generally do lol.

This is like a slam dunk case of crazy talk.

Yep. That's what we're saying.

Your past 10 years we've already been through. The 1990's. We joke that the Nuggets are cursed, and we're ready to make Melo lose the money rather than take mostly garbage and glorified 2nd rounders.

good for you. stick to your principles. of course your management will never do this because they're running an actual business but i admire your unwavering bitterness in the face of impending doom.

[cgmw]

I'm pretty sure Melo will sign the extension no matter what, then try to force a trade if it's still with the Nuggets. If it's with NJ or you guys, or maybe the Clippers or the Lakers, he'll stick it out.

GTFOutta here. He's going to sign an extension and then force a trade? How's that work exactly? No precedent in any sport as far as I know of a team signing a player and then being immediately forced to trade him.

NFW, dude. If Melo signs an extension w/Denver, he's staying with Denver. If not, the Knicks are the only team with cap space (or potential cap space) that he'd sign with. It's really not rocket surgery.