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[2010]

Hoffa now asking people to pm him for player profiles

This is all great for the league tho. Let's encourage GMs to not actually build their own teams and do their own H.W.. But rather let one GM work for about 20-25 others and serve as their consultant/asst GM.

It's a really good look because — gee whiz, he is putting in some effort and moving the needle by stirring the drink with activity.

So with that said, let's just make the entire free agent bidding process public and fully transparent. If everyone sees/knows every bid, that will foil Hoffas whole plan. It'll make it easier to leave him with a bag when he's bidding in bad faith just to drive up prices. Considering we will see exactly who the bids are coming from. That'd encourage every bid to be in good faith.

It'll also let people know exactly how much, at all times, is needed to top the winning bid and avoid having to wait for reply PMs to find out how much is needed to top the current offer.

[2010]

agreed and I think that will be fixed in this coming draft/fa period.

it does seem like a majority does not like that i do that, so I will refrain from posting reminders on players who are being bid on

I think ultimately that is what will need to be changed. Just like no one is allowed to sit there and say hey this guy hasn't been drafted yet. Sending out reminders to players being currently bid on should not be allowed and I think we all agree on that.

We have to tell a grown man not to do this? Really? We have to advocate for a rule for this? This is common sense. Common courtesy. Yet I keep hearing he is harmless and innocent tho?

Someone google harmless. Someone google intent. Someone google malice. Someone google bad faith.

And that's just the worst of his offenses, the calling out bid standings. But apparently operating with a clear conflict of interest is not seen as an issue. The excuse that GMs don't take him serious is not viable. Even if only 3 GMs did, that can impact team building.

Discussing player impact, production, tendencies, etc. is one thing, that's fair game. Providing an offseason outline or strategy and advising who to target REPEATEDLY - almost daily - and exactly how/why is another. That's bogus.

I don't respect that fuggery or anyone who promotes it.

[swisscheeseD]

2010...

I hope you are a lawyer...if not, you’re missing your calling.

[bringbackhoffa]

2010...

I hope you are a lawyer...if not, you’re missing your calling.

i picture this

[swisscheeseD]

Have you guys not realized Hoffa is just a troll? The more you feed him, the hungrier and bigger he gets.

Mecca has been extremely low profile these days, and 2010, you’re just taking his place.

Melo is next...

And whoever continues to go back at him will be put on the list.

He’s just here to get reactions out of everyone.

[bringbackhoffa]

Have you guys not realized Hoffa is just a troll? The more you feed him, the hungrier and bigger he gets.

Mecca has been extremely low profile these days, and 2010, you’re just taking his place.

Melo is next...

And whoever continues to go back at him will be put on the list.

He’s just here to get reactions out of everyone.

[2010]

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Remi can give Booker a 5th year though. NE can't. So it will be much more expensive then a $1

And factor in higher free agency rating it will prolly even out

Cant see 4 to 5 being that much different from say going 3 to 4 years

fair we will just have to see. Remi prepared for this battle

I'll be watching the outcome of these bird rights situations with a keen eye.

To me, if the 5th year doesn't make a major impact in covering the difference in salary between a 4-year offer, then that'll be telling.

If a large one year offer from a bad team that tanked serially, tops a fair amount multi-year offer from a team with playoff history, that'll be telling.

If a team with a high future rating but mediocre superstar rating, mediocre player happiness rating, etc. - tops teams with superstars and solid player happiness rating, that'll be telling.

If NTCs don't cover ground, or render themselves impactful, that'll be telling.

If bird rights, multi-year offers, rating system, NTC, etc. don't show themselves to be as impactful as presented, then it'll be noted and incorporated into my mindset with my future team building efforts.

[mpharris36]

And factor in higher free agency rating it will prolly even out

Cant see 4 to 5 being that much different from say going 3 to 4 years

fair we will just have to see. Remi prepared for this battle

I'll be watching the outcome of these bird rights situations with a keen eye.

To me, if the 5th year doesn't make a major impact in covering the difference in salary between a 4-year offer, then that'll be telling.

If a large one year offer from a bad team that tanked serially, tops a fair amount multi-year offer from a team with playoff history, that'll be telling.

If a team with a high future rating but mediocre superstar rating, mediocre player happiness rating, etc. - tops teams with superstars and solid player happiness rating, that'll be telling.

If NTCs don't cover ground, or render themselves impactful, that'll be telling.

If bird rights, multi-year offers, rating system, NTC, etc. don't show themselves to be as impactful as presented, then it'll be noted and incorporated into my mindset with my future team building efforts.

absolutely. This will be a very telling offseason. And probably will determine a lot for 2 years from now when like 80% of the league will be FA's and people will have to plan appropriately

[2010]

2010...

I hope you are a lawyer...if not, you’re missing your calling.

Not me, but my lady is. Guess you are the company you keep.

[Capn'O]

Mecca has been extremely low profile these days, and 2010, you’re just taking his place.

Bingo.

2010...

I hope you are a lawyer...if not, you’re missing your calling.

Not me, but my lady is. Guess you are the company you keep.

Swiss ain't wrong.

[mpharris36]

it does seem like a majority does not like that i do that, so I will refrain from posting reminders on players who are being bid on

I think ultimately that is what will need to be changed. Just like no one is allowed to sit there and say hey this guy hasn't been drafted yet. Sending out reminders to players being currently bid on should not be allowed and I think we all agree on that.

We have to tell a grown man not to do this? Really? We have to advocate for a rule for this? This is common sense. Common courtesy. Yet I keep hearing he is harmless and innocent tho?

Someone google harmless. Someone google intent. Someone google malice. Someone google bad faith.

And that's just the worst of his offenses, the calling out bid standings. But apparently operating with a clear conflict of interest is not seen as an issue. The excuse that GMs don't take him serious is not viable. Even if only 3 GMs did, that can impact team building.

Discussing player impact, production, tendencies, etc. is one thing, that's fair game. Providing an offseason outline or strategy and advising who to target REPEATEDLY - almost daily - and exactly how/why is another. That's bogus.

I don't respect that fuggery or anyone who promotes it.

As bish said unfortunately there is no rule currently against it, so hopefully we put something in place that at least stops the draft/fa name dropping bid exposing during the actually bidding process. Just like there was fuggery with pg's playing center and center playing PG's or benching your best players since year 1 of our BAF season. Fuggery been happening since day 1.

[2010]

Have you guys not realized Hoffa is just a troll? The more you feed him, the hungrier and bigger he gets.

Mecca has been extremely low profile these days, and 2010, you’re just taking his place.

Melo is next...

And whoever continues to go back at him will be put on the list.

He’s just here to get reactions out of everyone.

You can't be considered a troll, yet simultaneously promoted as harmless, innocent, and good for the league. Those traits would be inconsistent. Someone is lying.

[MaseInYourFace]

Hoffa now asking people to pm him for player profiles

This is all great for the league tho. Let's encourage GMs to not actually build their own teams and do their own H.W.. But rather let one GM work for about 20-25 others and serve as their consultant/asst GM.

It's a really good look because — gee whiz, he is putting in some effort and moving the needle by stirring the drink with activity.

So with that said, let's just make the entire free agent bidding process public and fully transparent. If everyone sees/knows every bid, that will foil Hoffas whole plan. It'll make it easier to leave him with a bag when he's bidding in bad faith just to drive up prices. Considering we will see exactly who the bids are coming from. That'd encourage every bid to be in good faith.

It'll also let people know exactly how much, at all times, is needed to top the winning bid and avoid having to wait for reply PMs to find out how much is needed to top the current offer.

Well speaking for myself I don’t really read them much. I’ve only read a couple he’s done. No offense Hoffa lol.

[MaseInYourFace]

On a related note maybe what we can do if anyone would be interested in filling such a position is that we would have a "reporter." This would be like a Woj for the BAF and there could be a rule that person could not be a GM obviously. I think it would add another interesting dynamic to the league. Just a thought...

[Capn'O]

Hoffa now asking people to pm him for player profiles

This is all great for the league tho. Let's encourage GMs to not actually build their own teams and do their own H.W.. But rather let one GM work for about 20-25 others and serve as their consultant/asst GM.

I'll be real with you - and this isn't a callout because you don't deserve that... but I actually have a bookmark of a post you made midseason of the top available free agents by position. That post informed my free agent thinking far more than anything Hoffa has posted because it made it easy to see how I could pursue different player combos. It also informed my eventual decision to grab a #1 in Kyrie when the opportunity came up and pursue free agency with a smaller bag. I went back to it multiple times. At that point I hadn't even looked at the list despite having a large bag to spend. At this point, everything has come into view a little more.

I'm really not for restrictions on player chatter in any way. The line between good and bad faith in that regard is above Bish's pay grade. You can argue my free agents suck now but they damn sure won't two years from now and players are gonna talk about them.

I'm all for restricting bid chatter. Or, if it's happening, maybe that player's bids get exposed while the rest of us can still work on the sly

[bishnykfan]

Hoffa now asking people to pm him for player profiles

This is all great for the league tho. Let's encourage GMs to not actually build their own teams and do their own H.W.. But rather let one GM work for about 20-25 others and serve as their consultant/asst GM.

It's a really good look because — gee whiz, he is putting in some effort and moving the needle by stirring the drink with activity.

So with that said, let's just make the entire free agent bidding process public and fully transparent. If everyone sees/knows every bid, that will foil Hoffas whole plan. It'll make it easier to leave him with a bag when he's bidding in bad faith just to drive up prices. Considering we will see exactly who the bids are coming from. That'd encourage every bid to be in good faith.

It'll also let people know exactly how much, at all times, is needed to top the winning bid and avoid having to wait for reply PMs to find out how much is needed to top the current offer.

Well speaking for myself I don’t really read them much. I’ve only read a couple he’s done. No offense Hoffa lol.

This has been my position on this as well. Maybe I have to much faith, trust or belief in the rest of the GMs here but I seriously can’t imagine anyone of you seriously keeping notes and prepping your offers based on what Hoffa said. Especially since he has put it out from day one that he’s trying to manipulate things and **** with you.

2010 I respect the passion and completely and appreciate what you bring to the game but tbh, I feel that if you didn’t bring this up over and over again, not one GM here would’ve given these profiles even a second look. No one here is planning their off season on what Hoffa says. Maybe I’m wrong about that, but that has been my belief, which is why I say that it’s harmless. You don’t have to respect me though for that opinion.

Saying that, I think I’ve heard enough to say that there will be a new anti tampering rule put in place immediately for the upcoming draft/free agency. I will post it when I get a chance tonight after I get home.

[mpharris36]

On a related note maybe what we can do if anyone would be interested in filling such a position is that we would have a "reporter." This would be like a Woj for the BAF and there could be a rule that person could not be a GM obviously. I think it would add another interesting dynamic to the league. Just a thought...

could be an interesting dynamic. Maybe someone that wants to join the league who maybe be next in line to take over a team works as a "reporter" talking to GM's. Not only would it get them acclimated to the league and interacting with our community it will also get them a better sense of the game.

Not sure who would want to do that? But could be cool!

[2010]

I think ultimately that is what will need to be changed. Just like no one is allowed to sit there and say hey this guy hasn't been drafted yet. Sending out reminders to players being currently bid on should not be allowed and I think we all agree on that.

We have to tell a grown man not to do this? Really? We have to advocate for a rule for this? This is common sense. Common courtesy. Yet I keep hearing he is harmless and innocent tho?

Someone google harmless. Someone google intent. Someone google malice. Someone google bad faith.

And that's just the worst of his offenses, the calling out bid standings. But apparently operating with a clear conflict of interest is not seen as an issue. The excuse that GMs don't take him serious is not viable. Even if only 3 GMs did, that can impact team building.

Discussing player impact, production, tendencies, etc. is one thing, that's fair game. Providing an offseason outline or strategy and advising who to target REPEATEDLY - almost daily - and exactly how/why is another. That's bogus.

I don't respect that fuggery or anyone who promotes it.

As bish said unfortunately there is no rule currently against it, so hopefully we put something in place that at least stops the draft/fa name dropping bid exposing during the actually bidding process. Just like there was fuggery with pg's playing center and center playing PG's or benching your best players since year 1 of our BAF season. Fuggery been happening since day 1.

See I don't consider playing players out of traditional position as comparable. Cuz the NBA is currently being revolutionalized in that regard right now. We're seeing true position less basketball playing out right before our very eyes. C's are becoming primary facilitators more often than ever before. I even played Derrick Rose at C to steal a game vs. Mecca's Brooklyn Nets in the playoffs to make Embiid get beat by speed. We see that with D'Anroni in the NBA. I took it to an extreme. That was in good faith.

The difference is Hoffa operates in bad faith, on the daily.

Which is why I said the dog that goes unchecked will continue to push boundaries. But yeah, it's time to check the feral mongrel and get legislation in to stop what should be obvious and flagrant to anyone who operates with ethics and common sense/courtesy.

[MaseInYourFace]

We have to tell a grown man not to do this? Really? We have to advocate for a rule for this? This is common sense. Common courtesy. Yet I keep hearing he is harmless and innocent tho?

Someone google harmless. Someone google intent. Someone google malice. Someone google bad faith.

And that's just the worst of his offenses, the calling out bid standings. But apparently operating with a clear conflict of interest is not seen as an issue. The excuse that GMs don't take him serious is not viable. Even if only 3 GMs did, that can impact team building.

Discussing player impact, production, tendencies, etc. is one thing, that's fair game. Providing an offseason outline or strategy and advising who to target REPEATEDLY - almost daily - and exactly how/why is another. That's bogus.

I don't respect that fuggery or anyone who promotes it.

As bish said unfortunately there is no rule currently against it, so hopefully we put something in place that at least stops the draft/fa name dropping bid exposing during the actually bidding process. Just like there was fuggery with pg's playing center and center playing PG's or benching your best players since year 1 of our BAF season. Fuggery been happening since day 1.

See I don't consider playing players out of traditional position as comparable. Cuz the NBA is currently being revolutionalized in that regard right now. We're seeing true position less basketball playing out right before our very eyes. C's are becoming primary facilitators more often than ever before. I even played Derrick Rose at C to steal a game vs. Mecca's Brooklyn Nets in the playoffs to make Embiid get beat by speed. We see that with D'Anroni in the NBA. I took it to an extreme. That was in good faith.

The difference is Hoffa operates in bad faith, on the daily.

Which is why I said the dog that goes unchecked will continue to push boundaries. But yeah, it's time to check the feral mongrel and get legislation in to stop what should be obvious and flagrant to anyone who operates with ethics and common sense/courtesy.

Feral mongrel made me laugh

[mpharris36]

We have to tell a grown man not to do this? Really? We have to advocate for a rule for this? This is common sense. Common courtesy. Yet I keep hearing he is harmless and innocent tho?

Someone google harmless. Someone google intent. Someone google malice. Someone google bad faith.

And that's just the worst of his offenses, the calling out bid standings. But apparently operating with a clear conflict of interest is not seen as an issue. The excuse that GMs don't take him serious is not viable. Even if only 3 GMs did, that can impact team building.

Discussing player impact, production, tendencies, etc. is one thing, that's fair game. Providing an offseason outline or strategy and advising who to target REPEATEDLY - almost daily - and exactly how/why is another. That's bogus.

I don't respect that fuggery or anyone who promotes it.

As bish said unfortunately there is no rule currently against it, so hopefully we put something in place that at least stops the draft/fa name dropping bid exposing during the actually bidding process. Just like there was fuggery with pg's playing center and center playing PG's or benching your best players since year 1 of our BAF season. Fuggery been happening since day 1.

See I don't consider playing players out of traditional position as comparable. Cuz the NBA is currently being revolutionalized in that regard right now. We're seeing true position less basketball playing out right before our very eyes. C's are becoming primary facilitators more often than ever before. I even played Derrick Rose at C to steal a game vs. Mecca's Brooklyn Nets in the playoffs to make Embiid get beat by speed. We see that with D'Anroni in the NBA. I took it to an extreme. That was in good faith.

The difference is Hoffa operates in bad faith, on the daily.

Which is why I said the dog that goes unchecked will continue to push boundaries. But yeah, it's time to check the feral mongrel and get legislation in to stop what should be obvious and flagrant to anyone who operates with ethics and common sense/courtesy.

Yes and no. if the player can actually play the position. For example I can let Bam move live. But playing a 6 foot pg at center to just get outrebounded to lose intentionally is complete fuggery. Or a center who has no PG skills that turns the ball over 15+ times a game...that is fuggery. They are doing that to lose to manipulate the SIM.

There is a difference between lineup diversification to trying and win and manipulating the SIM to intentionally lose games which has happened since the inception of BAF with no ramifications.