OT: Clinton or Bush?

Clyde_Style · Post #1441 » by **Clyde_Style** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:02 am

So Trump is spending more time campaigning in blue states like CA, CO and NY than in swing states

It is like they are trying to lose

Hatrick Ewing · Post #1442 » by **Hatrick Ewing** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:20 am

Please keep politics out of this and stick to the discussion topic. Thank you all in advance, respectfully.

Clyde_Style · Post #1443 » by **Clyde_Style** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:08 am

Hatrick Ewing wrote:Please keep politics out of this and stick to the discussion topic. Thank you all in advance, respectfully.

You're silly, but you're not witty

Hatrick Ewing · Post #1444 » by **Hatrick Ewing** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:21 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
Hatrick Ewing wrote:Please keep politics out of this and stick to the discussion topic. Thank you all in advance, respectfully.

You're silly, but you're not witty

You are brilliant and no other adjective may be used to describe you. Don't let anyone make you feel any different. Have a blessed day!

Pointgod · Post #1445 » by **Pointgod** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 11:46 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Stannis wrote:This DP ad at Dr. Jill Stein lol

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Putin stooges are disgusting

Move to Russia if you want to glaze a dictator

Read on Twitter

Stannis · Post #1446 » by **Stannis** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:21 pm

Pointgod wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Stannis wrote:This DP ad at Dr. Jill Stein lol

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Putin stooges are disgusting

Move to Russia if you want to glaze a dictator

Read on Twitter

Does this mean Trump can also blame Jill Stein if he loses? Can we call this "vote stealing" by 3rd parties a wash?

Former KKK leader David Duke endorses Jill Stein, criticizes Trump over Israel stance
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2503226/former-kkk-leader-david-duke-endorses-jill-stein-criticizes-trump-over-israel-stance

Post #1447 » by **DOT** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:39 pm

Damn, Trump's even lost the KKK

Rough times for him. Still has the Nazis at least

Pointgod · Post #1448 » by **Pointgod** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:43 pm

Stannis wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Putin stooges are disgusting

Move to Russia if you want to glaze a dictator

Read on Twitter

Does this mean Trump can also blame Jill Stein if he loses? Can we call this "vote stealing" by 3rd parties a wash?

Former KKK leader David Duke endorses Jill Stein, criticizes Trump over Israel stance
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2503226/former-kkk-leader-david-duke-endorses-jill-stein-criticizes-trump-over-israel-stance

Trump is here tanking Jill Stein and Cornell West because he knows their vanity campaigns will help him win.

Read on Twitter

And David Duke criticizes Trump because he’s NOT racist enough. Pretty sure David Duke is not the guy you want advocating for you.

Lord Commander · Post #1449 » by **Lord Commander** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:06 pm

He is a steaming pile of dog $hit isn't he?

Post #1450 » by **DOT** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:06 pm

It's pretty consistent that the vast majority of 3rd party voters are people who would not vote for either of the main candidates if they only had 2 options. They would just stay home

People who vote Stein and West aren't people who would vote for Kamala if those two weren't running, essentially

But I do find it interesting that we talk about 2016 and Stein, but Stein finished 4th in that race. Gary Johnson who finished 3rd never gets talked about. We talk about the 51 thousand Michigan voters for Stein and not the 172 thousand Johnson voters. Stein got 31 thousand in Wisconsin, Johnson got 107 thousand. 50 thousand for Stein in PA, of which Hillary would have needed 45 thousand (90% of) to beat Trump, Johnson got 147 thousand

The reason we don't talk about Gary Johnson is cause he's a Libertarian. His voters came from Trump. If we're having a serious discussion about 3rd party candidates in the context of 2016, they helped Hillary more than they hurt. If it were just between the 2 of them and we assume literally every 3rd party voter voted for the candidate closer to them, Trump would've completely dominated the election

If you look at the polls, Johnson was at 4.8% the day before the election (according to 538), and he only got 3.3%. He underperformed by 1.5%, Stein got 1.1% of the vote. It's far more likely Johnson voters swinging to Trump last minute is what won him the election

Johnson was predicted to get 6.1% in Michigan, he got 3.6%. 4.9% in Wisconsin to 3.6%. 4.6% in PA to 2.4%. Now, some of that is due to more voters than anticipated diluting his share, but still. I think the real answer is that a lot of people were gonna vote for Gary Johnson until Comey's investigation into Hillary came out, at which point a substantial amount of them coalesced around Trump as the anti-Hillary vote. Mathematically, that's a more plausible reason than claiming the issue is leftists not voting Hillary, especially since the data shows that a higher percentage of Bernie primary voters in 2016 voted for Hillary than Hillary primary voters in 2008 did for Obama. But we can't blame the "moderate" Republicans, after all, it must be those damn leftists.

MrDollarBills · Post #1451 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:21 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Pointgod wrote:

Read on Twitter

Does this mean Trump can also blame Jill Stein if he loses? Can we call this "vote stealing" by 3rd parties a wash?

Former KKK leader David Duke endorses Jill Stein, criticizes Trump over Israel stance
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2503226/former-kkk-leader-david-duke-endorses-jill-stein-criticizes-trump-over-israel-stance

Trump is here tanking Jill Stein and Cornell West because he knows their vanity campaigns will help him win.

Read on Twitter

And David Duke criticizes Trump because he’s NOT racist enough. Pretty sure David Duke is not the guy you want advocating for you.

Trump is racist enough, he just hasn't said what Duke wants him to say publicly.

MrDollarBills · Post #1452 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:23 pm

DOT wrote:Damn, Trump's even lost the KKK

Rough times for him. Still has the Nazis at least

Odd how none of our Trump supporting pals here don't ever comment on this stuff :lol:

MrDollarBills · Post #1453 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:25 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:So Trump is spending more time campaigning in blue states like CA, CO and NY than in swing states

It is like they are trying to lose

Dude i have seen Trump commercials in NJ on NFL Sundays.

Yet here in Ohio where I'm at for a conference I've seen zilch

Post #1454 » by **DOT** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:25 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
DOT wrote:Damn, Trump's even lost the KKK

Rough times for him. Still has the Nazis at least

Odd how none of our Trump supporting pals here don't ever comment on this stuff

They will

They'll just claim "FALSE FLAG, THAT'S ANTIFA TRYING TO MAKE DEAR LEADER LOOK BAD" and move on

Even the "reasonable" Trump voters, you ask them why they're okay with siding with literal Nazis, and they just go silent because they don't want to think about it.

Stannis · Post #1455 » by **Stannis** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:39 pm

With America having their hands tied in Ukraine + Israel, just have to wonder if other threats are smelling blood?

North Korea is sending troops to fight for Russia. They also destroyed part of the Inter-Korean road.

China set a record this time when they did one of their air drills.

MrDollarBills · Post #1456 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:24 pm

Stannis wrote:With America having their hands tied in Ukraine + Israel, just have to wonder if other threats are smelling blood?

North Korea is sending troops to fight for Russia. They also destroyed part of the Inter-Korean road.

China set a record this time when they did one of their air drills.

More meat for the grinder. Just waiting for Harris to hopefully win so that Ukraine can get the green light to set Moscow on fire.

Israel i do not support under any circumstances. Ukraine? Whole other story.

Stannis · Post #1457 » by **Stannis** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:56 pm

Elon Musk 85m to Trump and other republicans

Trump officially gets his 100m from the Adelson family.

Stannis · Post #1458 » by **Stannis** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:58 pm

Albanians can kiss Kosovo goodbye if Trump gets elected, imho. Apparently, there's 30k of them in Michigan.

Read on Twitter

St Knick · Post #1459 » by **St Knick** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:15 pm

Read on Twitter

Pointgod · Post #1460 » by **Pointgod** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:32 pm

St Knick wrote:

Read on Twitter

I suggest you bet your life savings on Trump. Looks like a sure thing!

President?