Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

What is the difference between a regular denial and a firm denial? Bold font?

Dallas's denial was in comic sans, I read

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The weird thing to me is that we didn't ask about Kidd until the door was already shut. I.e. there was all this smoke about mutual interest, he hires two new assistants, seems on his way to getting an extension, and then we finally ask. Whereas in the other cases there was a simple FOH.

I'm not saying we're doing something sneaky and smart. It could be sneaky and dumb for all I know. But there does seem to be another layer where we gather intel and then ask more to close the door than open it.

Also I think we all acknowledge and agree Kidd seems to be there top choices. They asked for permission on udoka and finch as far as we know before Kidd.

So what happens if the other team grant permission before Kidd. Would we have just said sorry we are just hiring the first guy that agreed to come.

That makes no sense.

I think they just sent out a bunch of feelers to see if any coach was interested in leaving and then go from there.

And the disruption. That wasn't a completely joke post. If they can screw up some FO/HC relationship as a side effect of the search that's a positive. It's a zero sum game.

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[WaltFrazier]

Like, I can't tell if what we're doing is smart or stupid. It's just really confusing from the outside.

It's confusing because I think the timelines are off. They didn't incrementally do these requests. They probably happened already and media is just picking up on it now. It's all coming from other teams.

That why we haven't heard much of non current NBA coaches. Those are the ones getting leaked.

You don't think we have reached out to assistants or college coaches yet? My guess is they have.

So you think Knicks may have also reached out to Budenholzer, Brown, Malone but those bits of news haven't leaked? Same with Bryant or other assistants? I think it could be true.

I followed the Raptors last coaching search pretty closely after Nurse was fired. Masai and co. are similarly tight lipped about leaks. He did miss out on Udoka because he wanted a long search process, similar to the Knicks now, and Houston swooped in. Only after the interviews had happened did it come out that Atkinson was interviewed but decided to stay with GSW, JJ Redick was interviewed, Jordi Fernandez was second choice, and Darko was hired.

Of course a big difference was Toronto was about to rebuild while Knicks are looking to keep contending.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I didn't even realize game 3 was tonight

It's so quiet, I thought the playoffs were over.

They do a horrible job. Our series was game - off day - game - off day.

They started the series have been 2 off days between each game. Talk about killing momentum.

I have no idea how they now have a one day break. Except that that makes G4 on a Friday night. Then Monday, Thursday and Sunday (the latter two if necessary). I have no idea what maximizes watching figures - but I guess they aimed to do something like that - but on the basis it's a likely sweep or gentleman's sweep for OKC.

[ezmoney707]

Ian Begley KFS interview is very insightful. It is also super concerning. The firing was not about Xs and Os apparently. Dolan wanted to fire Thibs several times before but stopped by Leon Rose (it came down to if you fire Thibs, I would leave too). Only this time Rose didn’t intervene. This doesn’t sound good at all.

That’s not true he was talking about him being on thin ice with the current FO, he said the X/Os parts played a part but he would say all the other things that came with Thibs is what weighed more heavily(used the 65% to 35% equation when speaking about how much the other stuff may have weighed more in the organization decision to fire Thibs).

Edit: Here’s the interview for folks if they want to listen themselves

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[B8RcDeMktfxC]

It's so quiet, I thought the playoffs were over.

They do a horrible job. Our series was game - off day - game - off day.

They started the series have been 2 off days between each game. Talk about killing momentum.

we might have won with the extra rest days wiyh our short rotation. easier to deal with the pacers pace.

The long gaps advantage OKC, I think.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Like, I can't tell if what we're doing is smart or stupid. It's just really confusing what we're even doing from the outside.

Every day at 11:30am Leon gets a flunky to bring him a Pina Colada and ring another, different team's GM to say that he wants to talk to their head coach about the possibility of interviewing for the Knicks HC job.

That's it. That's the strategy.

Once the finals are done they will appoint whoever they previously decided on, be it Kidd with some compensation to the Mavs or Bryant.

[seren]

Ian Begley KFS interview is very insightful. It is also super concerning. The firing was not about Xs and Os apparently. Dolan wanted to fire Thibs several times before but stopped by Leon Rose (it came down to if you fire Thibs, I would leave too). Only this time Rose didn’t intervene. This doesn’t sound good at all.

That’s not true he was talking about him being on thin ice with the current FO, he said the X/Os parts played a part but he would say all the other things that came with Thibs is what weighed more heavily(used the 65% to 35% equation when speaking about how much the other stuff may have weighed more in the organization decision to fire Thibs).

You are right that this is a more nuanced way of explaining it but it doesn’t change the fact that other stuff played a much bigger role for his firing. X/Os were a minor part.

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[mpharris36]

Like, I can't tell if what we're doing is smart or stupid. It's just really confusing from the outside.

It's confusing because I think the timelines are off. They didn't incrementally do these requests. They probably happened already and media is just picking up on it now. It's all coming from other teams.

That why we haven't heard much of non current NBA coaches. Those are the ones getting leaked.

You don't think we have reached out to assistants or college coaches yet? My guess is they have.

So you think Knicks may have also reached out to Budenholzer, Brown, Malone but those bits of news haven't leaked? Same with Bryant or other assistants? I think it could be true.

I followed the Raptors last coaching search pretty closely after Nurse was fired. Masai and co. are similarly tight lipped about leaks. He did miss out on Udoka because he wanted a long search process, similar to the Knicks now, and Houston swooped in. Only after the interviews had happened did it come out that Atkinson was interviewed but decided to stay with GSW, JJ Redick was interviewed, Jordi Fernandez was second choice, and Darko was hired.

Of course a big difference was Toronto was about to rebuild while Knicks are looking to keep contending.

I think we certainly have reached out to there agents to gauge interest. Might not have set up formal interviews yet but that's why is just guessing on who the Knicks are interested in outside of Kidd because we are sending a bunch of feelers out and we only know the names of HV under contract because that requires permission. And teams are leaking that to shams.

[HerSports85]

Ian Begley KFS interview is very insightful. It is also super concerning. The firing was not about Xs and Os apparently. Dolan wanted to fire Thibs several times before but stopped by Leon Rose (it came down to if you fire Thibs, I would leave too). Only this time Rose didn’t intervene. This doesn’t sound good at all.

That’s not true he was talking about him being on thin ice with the current FO, he said the X/Os parts played a part but he would say all the other things that came with Thibs is what weighed more heavily(used the 65% to 35% equation when speaking about how much the other stuff may have weighed more in the organization decision to fire Thibs).

Edit: Here’s the interview for folks if they want to listen themselves

Watch on YouTube

;si=Tv3jN-37UxGaC1gc

Exactly, go to 7:15 mark. Ian says this was a" Leon led decision And Leon putting this to the finish line is the most accurate way to put it"

He specifically said Dolan gave Leon the green light to Leon to do what he saw best because Thibs was on the hot seat.

Ian also said over the years Leon basically lost trust in Thibs and didn't fight for him as hard anymore.

Like what are people listening too lol

[WaltFrazier]

Ian Begley KFS interview is very insightful. It is also super concerning. The firing was not about Xs and Os apparently. Dolan wanted to fire Thibs several times before but stopped by Leon Rose (it came down to if you fire Thibs, I would leave too). Only this time Rose didn’t intervene. This doesn’t sound good at all.

That’s not true he was talking about him being on thin ice with the current FO, he said the X/Os parts played a part but he would say all the other things that came with Thibs is what weighed more heavily(used the 65% to 35% equation when speaking about how much the other stuff may have weighed more in the organization decision to fire Thibs).

You are right that this is a more nuanced way of explaining it but it doesn’t change the fact that other stuff played a much bigger role for his firing. X/Os were a minor part.

What's the "other stuff "? Minutes?

[TheGreenArrow]

so he confirmed that dolan did fire thibs ?

I don't know if that is accurate. Begley said directly this was a Leon decision. So that doesn't check out.

He also said the alternative was Leon would have to leave

Jfc That’s not what begley said at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He said on 2 occasions Dolan gave Leon the green light to fire thibs because WWW other Fo execs wanted thibs gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On both occasions Leon said no he wanted to keep thibs and if Dolan forced him to fire thibs Leon would leave with thibs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Begley said again emphatically that Thibs being fired was Leon’s decision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yall convinced me Finch, Udoka and Kidd were solid choices to begin with.

But Quinn Snyder? Leon is crashing out man!

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Totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Guano]

welp just killed the Dolan running things narrative.

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Imagine having to go to your boss and say

"Yo, I f'd up. The players want Tom fired. I just pissed away $30 million dollars of your own money, but hear me out..."

Oh, and bytheway, I need 200m for mikal

[Knicks Byke]

no way Leon is this stupid right?

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Totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I better hear reports about us calling teams for Jokic, Luka, Wemby, etc.

I don’t care if we get rejected I need to know we are doing our due diligence