Around the Offseason, Take 2

[dakomish23]

Oct 23rd, season is just about one month away!

Not counting camp and the handful of preseason games.

Oct 7 - First preseason game. 15 days away

Sep 30 - Training Camp - 8 days away

Leggo! Etc

Excited about the kids & how they fit with Randle / Morris.

[TheGreenArrow]

Cant even hate this s**** looks nice.

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Wish my knicks would do cool things like this.

[HerSports85]

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[Chanel Bomber]

Cant even hate this s**** looks nice.

Read on Twitter

Wish my knicks would do cool things like this.

Been saying this for a while, the Nets are a far more creative and fresher brand than the Knicks.

The Knicks branding department is a f****** mess and the franchise is stuck in the mid 2000s in the way it represents itself.

The Nets have better looking jerseys and better looking court designs. They even paid homage to Biggie last year. How dope is that? And where are the Knicks in all this? Still stuck on that blue and orange identity as if it didn't leave room for any other concepts and ideas. We're like a old dinosaur out there.

Screw the Nets all the way but they have a better brand right now, that's the bottom line. The Knicks really need to get with the times and replace some folks in that department.

[3toheadmelo]

Cant even hate this s**** looks nice.

Read on Twitter

Wish my knicks would do cool things like this.

Lol I thought it was a glitch on 2k when their court looked like that. I wasn’t feeling it but maybe it looks better in person

[Clyde_Style]

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[JBreezeNY]

Cant even hate this s**** looks nice.

Read on Twitter

Wish my knicks would do cool things like this.

Been saying this for a while, the Nets are a far more creative and fresher brand than the Knicks.

The Knicks branding department is a f****** mess and the franchise is stuck in the mid 2000s in the way it represents itself.

The Nets have better looking jerseys and better looking court designs. They even paid homage to Biggie last year. How dope is that? And where are the Knicks in all this? Still stuck on that blue and orange identity as if it didn't leave room for any other concepts and ideas. We're like a old dinosaur out there.

Screw the Nets all the way but they have a better brand right now, that's the bottom line. The Knicks really need to get with the times and replace some folks in that department.

I said it before when some of the new Knicks were embracing Knickstape, we don’t have an identity & honestly we look outdated. We don’t really play hip hop, we’re focused on appealing to the older generation, we play up to the “franchise history” when clearly that’s all we have to offer, our history. It would be like the bulls continuing to play up the Jordan years, Jordan ain’t walking thru that door, neither is Ewing, Oakley or Stark. Where is our iconic theme song? We still play the one from ‘94, we need something that represents us. Our jerseys aren’t creative, our court is whatever, we don’t take many risks on a creative side and it sucks. I **** on the Nets but between this & the Biggie homage I can see why KD/Kyrie would sign with them.

The Nyets are fully embracing the youth as far as design, music, appealing more to the youngins..then you have us with “tradition” & honestly the “tradition” comes off like how the Yankees move.

Now let me ask you, if you have two players who are in their primes, are in-tune with black culture, would Yankees tradition from a team that hasn’t really had a winning tradition in 20+ years appeal to you? Or would a team that looks from head to toe is moving with a younger feel from the music, doing creative things outside of basketball, appeal more?

I still sh*t on KD for the move but I can see why.

[stuporman]

I'm sorry to say but I lol'd when I saw Iggy with that big chain wrapped around him, he looked like such a poser.

Although, a workout that Knicks should be doing is using a weighted vest and ankle wraps. Shawn Marion did this and he would go through basketball moves with them on so the ancillary muscles that support typical movement in playing get strengthened which don't get hit in normal 'workouts'. I see on youtube that some other players do this as well.

It also simulates the resistance that would come from other players bumping or game exhaustion so they will learn to execute through it. Just watch Matrix's old video to see how an undersized, thin, wiry guy was able to play so strong in an a more physical era of NBA basketball. Plus his nickname came from his leap and 'hang' ability which came from those workouts.

[Clyde_Style]

I'm sorry to say but I lol'd when I saw Iggy with that big chain wrapped around him, he looked like such a poser.

Although, a workout that Knicks should be doing is using a weighted vest and ankle wraps. Shawn Marion did this and he would go through basketball moves with them on so the ancillary muscles that support typical movement in playing get strengthened which don't get hit in normal 'workouts'. I see on youtube that some other players do this as well.

It also simulates the resistance that would come from other players bumping or game exhaustion so they will learn to execute through it. Just watch Matrix's old video to see how an undersized, thin, wiry guy was able to play so strong in an a more physical era of NBA basketball. Plus his nickname came from his leap and 'hang' ability which came from those workouts.

so Randle in chains is authentic, but Iggy is not? OK massa

[stuporman]

I'm sorry to say but I lol'd when I saw Iggy with that big chain wrapped around him, he looked like such a poser.

Although, a workout that Knicks should be doing is using a weighted vest and ankle wraps. Shawn Marion did this and he would go through basketball moves with them on so the ancillary muscles that support typical movement in playing get strengthened which don't get hit in normal 'workouts'. I see on youtube that some other players do this as well.

It also simulates the resistance that would come from other players bumping or game exhaustion so they will learn to execute through it. Just watch Matrix's old video to see how an undersized, thin, wiry guy was able to play so strong in an a more physical era of NBA basketball. Plus his nickname came from his leap and 'hang' ability which came from those workouts.

so Randle in chains is authentic, but Iggy is not? OK massa

Well, it's really about the lack of muscular physique with Iggy's body contrasted to the thickness of the chain.....but please tell us more about your race baiting hypothesis.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Cant even hate this s**** looks nice.

Read on Twitter

Wish my knicks would do cool things like this.

Been saying this for a while, the Nets are a far more creative and fresher brand than the Knicks.

The Knicks branding department is a f****** mess and the franchise is stuck in the mid 2000s in the way it represents itself.

The Nets have better looking jerseys and better looking court designs. They even paid homage to Biggie last year. How dope is that? And where are the Knicks in all this? Still stuck on that blue and orange identity as if it didn't leave room for any other concepts and ideas. We're like a old dinosaur out there.

Screw the Nets all the way but they have a better brand right now, that's the bottom line. The Knicks really need to get with the times and replace some folks in that department.

I said it before when some of the new Knicks were embracing Knickstape, we don’t have an identity & honestly we look outdated. We don’t really play hip hop, we’re focused on appealing to the older generation, we play up to the “franchise history” when clearly that’s all we have to offer, our history. It would be like the bulls continuing to play up the Jordan years, Jordan ain’t walking thru that door, neither is Ewing, Oakley or Stark. Where is our iconic theme song? We still play the one from ‘94, we need something that represents us. Our jerseys aren’t creative, our court is whatever, we don’t take many risks on a creative side and it sucks. I **** on the Nets but between this & the Biggie homage I can see why KD/Kyrie would sign with them.

The Nyets are fully embracing the youth as far as design, music, appealing more to the youngins..then you have us with “tradition” & honestly the “tradition” comes off like how the Yankees move.

Now let me ask you, if you have two players who are in their primes, are in-tune with black culture, would Yankees tradition from a team that hasn’t really had a winning tradition in 20+ years appeal to you? Or would a team that looks from head to toe is moving with a younger feel from the music, doing creative things outside of basketball, appeal more?

I still sh*t on KD for the move but I can see why.

Ummm...the Yankees tradition is winning. There is no comparison alive to associate the Knicks with the Yankees...other than being big brother to a cross town team. Absolutely nothing else.

[malik959]

Cant even hate this s**** looks nice.

Read on Twitter

Wish my knicks would do cool things like this.

Been saying this for a while, the Nets are a far more creative and fresher brand than the Knicks.

The Knicks branding department is a f****** mess and the franchise is stuck in the mid 2000s in the way it represents itself.

The Nets have better looking jerseys and better looking court designs. They even paid homage to Biggie last year. How dope is that? And where are the Knicks in all this? Still stuck on that blue and orange identity as if it didn't leave room for any other concepts and ideas. We're like a old dinosaur out there.

Screw the Nets all the way but they have a better brand right now, that's the bottom line. The Knicks really need to get with the times and replace some folks in that department.

I said it before when some of the new Knicks were embracing Knickstape, we don’t have an identity & honestly we look outdated. We don’t really play hip hop, we’re focused on appealing to the older generation, we play up to the “franchise history” when clearly that’s all we have to offer, our history. It would be like the bulls continuing to play up the Jordan years, Jordan ain’t walking thru that door, neither is Ewing, Oakley or Stark. Where is our iconic theme song? We still play the one from ‘94, we need something that represents us. Our jerseys aren’t creative, our court is whatever, we don’t take many risks on a creative side and it sucks. I **** on the Nets but between this & the Biggie homage I can see why KD/Kyrie would sign with them.

The Nyets are fully embracing the youth as far as design, music, appealing more to the youngins..then you have us with “tradition” & honestly the “tradition” comes off like how the Yankees move.

Now let me ask you, if you have two players who are in their primes, are in-tune with black culture, would Yankees tradition from a team that hasn’t really had a winning tradition in 20+ years appeal to you? Or would a team that looks from head to toe is moving with a younger feel from the music, doing creative things outside of basketball, appeal more?

I still sh*t on KD for the move but I can see why.

Let me put it this way. When Vince carter and Kidd left the Nets the fans left too, When KG, Peirce, and JJ left the fans left too, when Ewing left the Knicks the fans stayed, when Melo left the fans stayed. Yes we live off our history and culture - DMX, Rakim, Tribe, Heavy D, and so forth while Brooklyn has moved to a youth movement with Migos, 21 Savage, Tyga.

The problem though, through-out the NBA, is loyalty. Our youth these days don't have loyalty to a team, their loyal only to players, while Knick fans are actually loyal to the team. We sell out crowds just to see players like THJ dawn a blue and orange jersey. We are the most famous arena and our fans take over other stadiums when were in town even when our team sucks. Ain't nothing like going to a Hawks game to a sold out stadium with only a few red jerseys in the crowd, but everybody else is rocking blue.

This is why a lot of Laker fans did not want Lebron. They knew that if things didn't go his way he would skip on them in a second because he has no loyalty. They knew that he would bring nothing but bandwagon fans with him and here lies the Nets problem. There's no such thing as a Nets fan, well maybe 2-3, but the other 50 fans that come to their games are there only because Kyrie and Durant are wearing black and while.

It's always funny to me when you see someone wearing a Brooklyn hat and after asking them if they are fans they say "naw I just like the color!"

[G_K_F]

Cant even hate this s**** looks nice.

Read on Twitter

Wish my knicks would do cool things like this.

Been saying this for a while, the Nets are a far more creative and fresher brand than the Knicks.

The Knicks branding department is a f****** mess and the franchise is stuck in the mid 2000s in the way it represents itself.

The Nets have better looking jerseys and better looking court designs. They even paid homage to Biggie last year. How dope is that? And where are the Knicks in all this? Still stuck on that blue and orange identity as if it didn't leave room for any other concepts and ideas. We're like a old dinosaur out there.

Screw the Nets all the way but they have a better brand right now, that's the bottom line. The Knicks really need to get with the times and replace some folks in that department.

I said it before when some of the new Knicks were embracing Knickstape, we don’t have an identity & honestly we look outdated. We don’t really play hip hop, we’re focused on appealing to the older generation, we play up to the “franchise history” when clearly that’s all we have to offer, our history. It would be like the bulls continuing to play up the Jordan years, Jordan ain’t walking thru that door, neither is Ewing, Oakley or Stark. Where is our iconic theme song? We still play the one from ‘94, we need something that represents us. Our jerseys aren’t creative, our court is whatever, we don’t take many risks on a creative side and it sucks. I **** on the Nets but between this & the Biggie homage I can see why KD/Kyrie would sign with them.

The Nyets are fully embracing the youth as far as design, music, appealing more to the youngins..then you have us with “tradition” & honestly the “tradition” comes off like how the Yankees move.

Now let me ask you, if you have two players who are in their primes, are in-tune with black culture, would Yankees tradition from a team that hasn’t really had a winning tradition in 20+ years appeal to you? Or would a team that looks from head to toe is moving with a younger feel from the music, doing creative things outside of basketball, appeal more?

I still sh*t on KD for the move but I can see why.

Let's be real - we can't sign free agents because we are an awful franchise with a history of mismanagement and turmoil, not because of our uniforms, how our court looks, what music we play in the arena, our theme song or anything else.

Nothing wrong with NY following a traditional model. They're considered an 'original' franchise like the Lakers and Celtics, except with way less history of success. It's important that we still carry ourselves as that traditional historical franchise and not try to be the Timberwolves or Magic.

[JBreezeNY]

Been saying this for a while, the Nets are a far more creative and fresher brand than the Knicks.

The Knicks branding department is a f****** mess and the franchise is stuck in the mid 2000s in the way it represents itself.

The Nets have better looking jerseys and better looking court designs. They even paid homage to Biggie last year. How dope is that? And where are the Knicks in all this? Still stuck on that blue and orange identity as if it didn't leave room for any other concepts and ideas. We're like a old dinosaur out there.

Screw the Nets all the way but they have a better brand right now, that's the bottom line. The Knicks really need to get with the times and replace some folks in that department.

I said it before when some of the new Knicks were embracing Knickstape, we don’t have an identity & honestly we look outdated. We don’t really play hip hop, we’re focused on appealing to the older generation, we play up to the “franchise history” when clearly that’s all we have to offer, our history. It would be like the bulls continuing to play up the Jordan years, Jordan ain’t walking thru that door, neither is Ewing, Oakley or Stark. Where is our iconic theme song? We still play the one from ‘94, we need something that represents us. Our jerseys aren’t creative, our court is whatever, we don’t take many risks on a creative side and it sucks. I **** on the Nets but between this & the Biggie homage I can see why KD/Kyrie would sign with them.

The Nyets are fully embracing the youth as far as design, music, appealing more to the youngins..then you have us with “tradition” & honestly the “tradition” comes off like how the Yankees move.

Now let me ask you, if you have two players who are in their primes, are in-tune with black culture, would Yankees tradition from a team that hasn’t really had a winning tradition in 20+ years appeal to you? Or would a team that looks from head to toe is moving with a younger feel from the music, doing creative things outside of basketball, appeal more?

I still sh*t on KD for the move but I can see why.

Ummm...the Yankees tradition is winning. There is no comparison alive to associate the Knicks with the Yankees...other than being big brother to a cross town team. Absolutely nothing else.

If you’re not gonna read my post properly don’t quote it.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I said it before when some of the new Knicks were embracing Knickstape, we don’t have an identity & honestly we look outdated. We don’t really play hip hop, we’re focused on appealing to the older generation, we play up to the “franchise history” when clearly that’s all we have to offer, our history. It would be like the bulls continuing to play up the Jordan years, Jordan ain’t walking thru that door, neither is Ewing, Oakley or Stark. Where is our iconic theme song? We still play the one from ‘94, we need something that represents us. Our jerseys aren’t creative, our court is whatever, we don’t take many risks on a creative side and it sucks. I **** on the Nets but between this & the Biggie homage I can see why KD/Kyrie would sign with them.

The Nyets are fully embracing the youth as far as design, music, appealing more to the youngins..then you have us with “tradition” & honestly the “tradition” comes off like how the Yankees move.

Now let me ask you, if you have two players who are in their primes, are in-tune with black culture, would Yankees tradition from a team that hasn’t really had a winning tradition in 20+ years appeal to you? Or would a team that looks from head to toe is moving with a younger feel from the music, doing creative things outside of basketball, appeal more?

I still sh*t on KD for the move but I can see why.

Ummm...the Yankees tradition is winning. There is no comparison alive to associate the Knicks with the Yankees...other than being big brother to a cross town team. Absolutely nothing else.

If you’re not gonna read my post properly don’t quote it.

Just don't use the Yankees in anything Knicks related and you won't be quoted. The only Knicks tradition is playing in MSG. That's what they cling to. It has nothing to do with winning or the Yankees tradition. In other words...leave the Yankees out of it!!!

[JBreezeNY]

Been saying this for a while, the Nets are a far more creative and fresher brand than the Knicks.

The Knicks branding department is a f****** mess and the franchise is stuck in the mid 2000s in the way it represents itself.

The Nets have better looking jerseys and better looking court designs. They even paid homage to Biggie last year. How dope is that? And where are the Knicks in all this? Still stuck on that blue and orange identity as if it didn't leave room for any other concepts and ideas. We're like a old dinosaur out there.

Screw the Nets all the way but they have a better brand right now, that's the bottom line. The Knicks really need to get with the times and replace some folks in that department.

I said it before when some of the new Knicks were embracing Knickstape, we don’t have an identity & honestly we look outdated. We don’t really play hip hop, we’re focused on appealing to the older generation, we play up to the “franchise history” when clearly that’s all we have to offer, our history. It would be like the bulls continuing to play up the Jordan years, Jordan ain’t walking thru that door, neither is Ewing, Oakley or Stark. Where is our iconic theme song? We still play the one from ‘94, we need something that represents us. Our jerseys aren’t creative, our court is whatever, we don’t take many risks on a creative side and it sucks. I **** on the Nets but between this & the Biggie homage I can see why KD/Kyrie would sign with them.

The Nyets are fully embracing the youth as far as design, music, appealing more to the youngins..then you have us with “tradition” & honestly the “tradition” comes off like how the Yankees move.

Now let me ask you, if you have two players who are in their primes, are in-tune with black culture, would Yankees tradition from a team that hasn’t really had a winning tradition in 20+ years appeal to you? Or would a team that looks from head to toe is moving with a younger feel from the music, doing creative things outside of basketball, appeal more?

I still sh*t on KD for the move but I can see why.

Let me put it this way. When Vince carter and Kidd left the Nets the fans left too, When KG, Peirce, and JJ left the fans left too, when Ewing left the Knicks the fans stayed, when Melo left the fans stayed. Yes we live off our history and culture - DMX, Rakim, Tribe, Heavy D, and so forth while Brooklyn has moved to a youth movement with Migos, 21 Savage, Tyga.

The problem though, through-out the NBA, is loyalty. Our youth these days don't have loyalty to a team, their loyal only to players, while Knick fans are actually loyal to the team. We sell out crowds just to see players like THJ dawn a blue and orange jersey. We are the most famous arena and our fans take over other stadiums when were in town even when our team sucks. Ain't nothing like going to a Hawks game to a sold out stadium with only a few red jerseys in the crowd, but everybody else is rocking blue.

This is why a lot of Laker fans did not want Lebron. They knew that if things didn't go his way he would skip on them in a second because he has no loyalty. They knew that he would bring nothing but bandwagon fans with him and here lies the Nets problem. There's no such thing as a Nets fan, well maybe 2-3, but the other 50 fans that come to their games are there only because Kyrie and Durant are wearing black and while.

It's always funny to me when you see someone wearing a Brooklyn hat and after asking them if they are fans they say "naw I just like the color!"

Why would the youth be loyal to a product that sucks & be a loyal to a team that isn’t even loyal to its own players tho?

You can’t expect young fans to stick around for a team based on old men telling them back in their day the team was good & they stuck it out through the bad times. If a young knick fan loved rooting for the Knicks & KP was his favorite player but now the Knicks traded him you gonna fault the young fan?

I know all about the Knicks folklore and their history, I get it, but what you’re doing is proving my point. All of that is based on what happened before, past championships don’t win today’s games. Worlds most famous arena? That hasn’t been relevant for 20 years

Again living off past accomplishments.

All of your jabs about the Nets is all true, but you keep laughing while the Knicks continue to be ehh & the nets will pick up fans slowly but surely. As easy as it is to talk **** about the youth, we looking like dinosaurs.

[JBreezeNY]

Been saying this for a while, the Nets are a far more creative and fresher brand than the Knicks.

The Knicks branding department is a f****** mess and the franchise is stuck in the mid 2000s in the way it represents itself.

The Nets have better looking jerseys and better looking court designs. They even paid homage to Biggie last year. How dope is that? And where are the Knicks in all this? Still stuck on that blue and orange identity as if it didn't leave room for any other concepts and ideas. We're like a old dinosaur out there.

Screw the Nets all the way but they have a better brand right now, that's the bottom line. The Knicks really need to get with the times and replace some folks in that department.

I said it before when some of the new Knicks were embracing Knickstape, we don’t have an identity & honestly we look outdated. We don’t really play hip hop, we’re focused on appealing to the older generation, we play up to the “franchise history” when clearly that’s all we have to offer, our history. It would be like the bulls continuing to play up the Jordan years, Jordan ain’t walking thru that door, neither is Ewing, Oakley or Stark. Where is our iconic theme song? We still play the one from ‘94, we need something that represents us. Our jerseys aren’t creative, our court is whatever, we don’t take many risks on a creative side and it sucks. I **** on the Nets but between this & the Biggie homage I can see why KD/Kyrie would sign with them.

The Nyets are fully embracing the youth as far as design, music, appealing more to the youngins..then you have us with “tradition” & honestly the “tradition” comes off like how the Yankees move.

Now let me ask you, if you have two players who are in their primes, are in-tune with black culture, would Yankees tradition from a team that hasn’t really had a winning tradition in 20+ years appeal to you? Or would a team that looks from head to toe is moving with a younger feel from the music, doing creative things outside of basketball, appeal more?

I still sh*t on KD for the move but I can see why.

Let's be real - we can't sign free agents because we are an awful franchise with a history of mismanagement and turmoil, not because of our uniforms, how our court looks, what music we play in the arena, our theme song or anything else.

Nothing wrong with NY following a traditional model. They're considered an 'original' franchise like the Lakers and Celtics, except with way less history of success. It's important that we still carry ourselves as that traditional historical franchise and not try to be the Timberwolves or Magic.

I’ll say this again, it would be like the bulls still moving how they did when they had Jordan, he’s not walking through that door.

Why should we still carry ourselves that way when we haven’t had any sort of consistent franchise success, other than 2 decades ago?

Of course front office incompetency has been a huge issue but not being able to relate to players is another one too. Mills thought the black trio card would work but it’s more than that.

[G_K_F]

I said it before when some of the new Knicks were embracing Knickstape, we don’t have an identity & honestly we look outdated. We don’t really play hip hop, we’re focused on appealing to the older generation, we play up to the “franchise history” when clearly that’s all we have to offer, our history. It would be like the bulls continuing to play up the Jordan years, Jordan ain’t walking thru that door, neither is Ewing, Oakley or Stark. Where is our iconic theme song? We still play the one from ‘94, we need something that represents us. Our jerseys aren’t creative, our court is whatever, we don’t take many risks on a creative side and it sucks. I **** on the Nets but between this & the Biggie homage I can see why KD/Kyrie would sign with them.

The Nyets are fully embracing the youth as far as design, music, appealing more to the youngins..then you have us with “tradition” & honestly the “tradition” comes off like how the Yankees move.

Now let me ask you, if you have two players who are in their primes, are in-tune with black culture, would Yankees tradition from a team that hasn’t really had a winning tradition in 20+ years appeal to you? Or would a team that looks from head to toe is moving with a younger feel from the music, doing creative things outside of basketball, appeal more?

I still sh*t on KD for the move but I can see why.

Let's be real - we can't sign free agents because we are an awful franchise with a history of mismanagement and turmoil, not because of our uniforms, how our court looks, what music we play in the arena, our theme song or anything else.

Nothing wrong with NY following a traditional model. They're considered an 'original' franchise like the Lakers and Celtics, except with way less history of success. It's important that we still carry ourselves as that traditional historical franchise and not try to be the Timberwolves or Magic.

I’ll say this again, it would be like the bulls still moving how they did when they had Jordan, he’s not walking through that door.

Why should we still carry ourselves that way when we haven’t had any sort of consistent franchise success, other than 2 decades ago?

Of course front office incompetency has been a huge issue but not being able to relate to players is another one too. Mills thought the black trio card would work but it’s more than that.

"Relating to players" by what? The look of our jersey or arena? Players care about money and winning. Nothing else. You can wear jerseys with dog crap on them and they won't care as long as they're getting paid and winning games.

Also the Bulls aren't necessarily 'holding on to the Jordan' years by not changing their look. They're another 'original' franchise that I mentioned. There's something to be said about being an original tradition rather than changing your jersey every so often and having no identity.

[Clyde_Style]

I'm sorry to say but I lol'd when I saw Iggy with that big chain wrapped around him, he looked like such a poser.

Although, a workout that Knicks should be doing is using a weighted vest and ankle wraps. Shawn Marion did this and he would go through basketball moves with them on so the ancillary muscles that support typical movement in playing get strengthened which don't get hit in normal 'workouts'. I see on youtube that some other players do this as well.

It also simulates the resistance that would come from other players bumping or game exhaustion so they will learn to execute through it. Just watch Matrix's old video to see how an undersized, thin, wiry guy was able to play so strong in an a more physical era of NBA basketball. Plus his nickname came from his leap and 'hang' ability which came from those workouts.

so Randle in chains is authentic, but Iggy is not? OK massa

Well, it's really about the lack of muscular physique with Iggy's body contrasted to the thickness of the chain.....but please tell us more about your race baiting hypothesis.

Eh, was more of a joke than a pointed finger. I mean Vanilla Ice rocked it, so why can't Iggy?

[Chanel Bomber]

Been saying this for a while, the Nets are a far more creative and fresher brand than the Knicks.

The Knicks branding department is a f****** mess and the franchise is stuck in the mid 2000s in the way it represents itself.

The Nets have better looking jerseys and better looking court designs. They even paid homage to Biggie last year. How dope is that? And where are the Knicks in all this? Still stuck on that blue and orange identity as if it didn't leave room for any other concepts and ideas. We're like a old dinosaur out there.

Screw the Nets all the way but they have a better brand right now, that's the bottom line. The Knicks really need to get with the times and replace some folks in that department.

I said it before when some of the new Knicks were embracing Knickstape, we don’t have an identity & honestly we look outdated. We don’t really play hip hop, we’re focused on appealing to the older generation, we play up to the “franchise history” when clearly that’s all we have to offer, our history. It would be like the bulls continuing to play up the Jordan years, Jordan ain’t walking thru that door, neither is Ewing, Oakley or Stark. Where is our iconic theme song? We still play the one from ‘94, we need something that represents us. Our jerseys aren’t creative, our court is whatever, we don’t take many risks on a creative side and it sucks. I **** on the Nets but between this & the Biggie homage I can see why KD/Kyrie would sign with them.

The Nyets are fully embracing the youth as far as design, music, appealing more to the youngins..then you have us with “tradition” & honestly the “tradition” comes off like how the Yankees move.

Now let me ask you, if you have two players who are in their primes, are in-tune with black culture, would Yankees tradition from a team that hasn’t really had a winning tradition in 20+ years appeal to you? Or would a team that looks from head to toe is moving with a younger feel from the music, doing creative things outside of basketball, appeal more?

I still sh*t on KD for the move but I can see why.

Let me put it this way. When Vince carter and Kidd left the Nets the fans left too, When KG, Peirce, and JJ left the fans left too, when Ewing left the Knicks the fans stayed, when Melo left the fans stayed. Yes we live off our history and culture - DMX, Rakim, Tribe, Heavy D, and so forth while Brooklyn has moved to a youth movement with Migos, 21 Savage, Tyga.

The problem though, through-out the NBA, is loyalty. Our youth these days don't have loyalty to a team, their loyal only to players, while Knick fans are actually loyal to the team. We sell out crowds just to see players like THJ dawn a blue and orange jersey. We are the most famous arena and our fans take over other stadiums when were in town even when our team sucks. Ain't nothing like going to a Hawks game to a sold out stadium with only a few red jerseys in the crowd, but everybody else is rocking blue.

This is why a lot of Laker fans did not want Lebron. They knew that if things didn't go his way he would skip on them in a second because he has no loyalty. They knew that he would bring nothing but bandwagon fans with him and here lies the Nets problem. There's no such thing as a Nets fan, well maybe 2-3, but the other 50 fans that come to their games are there only because Kyrie and Durant are wearing black and while.

It's always funny to me when you see someone wearing a Brooklyn hat and after asking them if they are fans they say "naw I just like the color!"

With all due respect I disagree with you on about everything lol.

There's nothing funny about people wearing Nets gear because it looks good. They have every right to do so. Not everyone has the obligation to root for one team anyway, or to wear gear from that team only. But it's significant that they went with the Nets stuff and not the Knicks stuff. If the Nets stuff looks better, then it's the Knicks' failure period (even though I'd argue that because the black and white look is timeless they have an automatic edge in terms of style).

The issue is not the current Knicks or Nets fans. It's the next generation of fans. It's the 7 year-olds and the 14 year-olds. You imply that the Nets only have bandwagon fans while we have real loyal fans. You're probably right, right now. But what about in 15 years? The Nets could have a loyal fanbase by then. The kids who grew up loving their jerseys and watching Kyrie Irving (now) might become long-time Nets fans. What you're advocating is complacency, which is the one thing Knicks can't afford to fall into right now with the Nets trying to position themselves as a big player. We can't sit still with our arms crossed while they're putting together a more appealing all-around product than ours.

And you said the Nets are embracing the youth in a very dismissive manner. First of all I see nothing wrong with embracing today's musical trends personally (if anything it's a smart move), and they've been paying homage to their local artists very consistently in their arena, not to mention the Biggie jerseys last year, so I'm not sure where you're going with this. Imagine if the Knicks had paid homage to Prodigy by temporarily changing our court to a black paint and sidelines with "The Infamous" painted in red on both ends of the court? Just an idea off the dome, it could be anything really. Whatever. Something. Our brand is stale.

I agree we need to stay true to our history. But it doesn't mean we have to look so out of touch and outdated.