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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1461 » by god shammgod » Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:35 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
god shammgod wrote:a team with sexton, rj and randle won't be good offensively. none of them are perimeter focused. it's a bad trio together. if you really want sexton, you should get rid of 1 of the other two.

That was my point of the thread I created a few weeks ago.

Having two inefficient scorers in our line-up (RJ and Randle) who are not rim-runners really hurts our offense. It inevitably puts a ceiling on this team.

I just don't like the fit. It's not that they can't co-exist, it's just that the addition of both players makes it incredibly difficult to have a potent offense.

Ideally, the front office would trade one of the two. I personally think Randle is harder to build around, and we have a replacement in Obi, so I would trade Julius before RJ. I don't think the FO will trade either though.


it's also where they take most of their shots. if you look at the shot charts for these 3 guys last year, it doesn't make sense to put them together.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1462 » by -YogiBiz- » Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:50 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
god shammgod wrote:a team with sexton, rj and randle won't be good offensively. none of them are perimeter focused. it's a bad trio together. if you really want sexton, you should get rid of 1 of the other two.

That was my point of the thread I created a few weeks ago.

Having two inefficient scorers in our line-up (RJ and Randle) who are not rim-runners really hurts our offense. It inevitably puts a ceiling on this team.

I just don't like the fit. It's not that they can't co-exist, it's just that the addition of both players makes it incredibly difficult to have a potent offense.

Ideally, the front office would trade one of the two. I personally think Randle is harder to build around, and we have a replacement in Obi, so I would trade Julius before RJ. I don't think the FO will trade either though.


it's also where they take most of their shots. if you look at the shot charts for these 3 guys last year, it doesn't make sense to put them together.


Sexton gets most of his offense in the 0-10 feet range the rest from three. Most of Randles offense came from mid range. He had the lowest % of FGA at that 0-10 feet range in his career.

RJ has a closer chart, but is starting to shoot more threes as well. Not about Sexton but RJ gets flack for not being a great finisher but he still finished just over 60.5% from the 0-3 feet range, if had any floater game that 3-10 shooting percentage wouldn’t be abysmal (Sexton is pretty good in this area).

I also expect RJ to keep evolving and his shot chart last year isn’t really indicative of where he’ll be taking most of his shots in the future (hopefully he develops that pull up game cause he’s pretty good from Mid Range out).
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Post#1463 » by god shammgod » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:13 pm

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god shammgod wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:That was my point of the thread I created a few weeks ago.

Having two inefficient scorers in our line-up (RJ and Randle) who are not rim-runners really hurts our offense. It inevitably puts a ceiling on this team.

I just don't like the fit. It's not that they can't co-exist, it's just that the addition of both players makes it incredibly difficult to have a potent offense.

Ideally, the front office would trade one of the two. I personally think Randle is harder to build around, and we have a replacement in Obi, so I would trade Julius before RJ. I don't think the FO will trade either though.


it's also where they take most of their shots. if you look at the shot charts for these 3 guys last year, it doesn't make sense to put them together.


Sexton gets most of his offense in the 0-10 feet range the rest from three. Most of Randles offense came from mid range. He had the lowest % of FGA at that 0-10 feet range in his career.

RJ has a closer chart, but is starting to shoot more threes as well. Not about Sexton but RJ gets flack for not being a great finisher but he still finished just over 60.5% from the 0-3 feet range, if had any floater game that 3-10 shooting percentage wouldn’t be abysmal (Sexton is pretty good in this area).

I also expect RJ to keep evolving and his shot chart last year isn’t really indicative of where he’ll be taking most of his shots in the future (hopefully he develops that pull up game cause he’s pretty good from Mid Range out).


together these 3 guys make a little over 5 3s a game. they're gonna get most of the shots. it's 2021. this is no good.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1464 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:13 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
god shammgod wrote:a team with sexton, rj and randle won't be good offensively. none of them are perimeter focused. it's a bad trio together. if you really want sexton, you should get rid of 1 of the other two.

That was my point of the thread I created a few weeks ago.

Having two inefficient scorers in our line-up (RJ and Randle) who are not rim-runners really hurts our offense. It inevitably puts a ceiling on this team.

I just don't like the fit. It's not that they can't co-exist, it's just that the addition of both players makes it incredibly difficult to have a potent offense.

Ideally, the front office would trade one of the two. I personally think Randle is harder to build around, and we have a replacement in Obi, so I would trade Julius before RJ. I don't think the FO will trade either though.


So, here's the plan:

- Trade for Sexton
- Don't extend Randle before the season starts
- See how the season goes
- Decide to sign or trade Randle or let him expire, decide to sign Sexton or not (likely they would after giving up around 3 assets) and see if there is any clarification on RJ's development path.
- Pursue other max cat, either to put with Randle\Sexton\RJ or in place of Randle, or even RJ


I'm not sure I agree about the offense.
It wasn't that bad even when it played at a slow pace and dragging around boat anchor Elf for half the game and relying on one dimensional Bullocks as the 3rd option.

Also, getting Sexton enables the Knicks to pursue a max cat the following season, with or without Randle.

I swear. All of you act like all the moves to make the team elite need to happen all at once, immediately.

*edited to include "sign, trade or release" Randle
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1465 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:16 pm

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god shammgod wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:That was my point of the thread I created a few weeks ago.

Having two inefficient scorers in our line-up (RJ and Randle) who are not rim-runners really hurts our offense. It inevitably puts a ceiling on this team.

I just don't like the fit. It's not that they can't co-exist, it's just that the addition of both players makes it incredibly difficult to have a potent offense.

Ideally, the front office would trade one of the two. I personally think Randle is harder to build around, and we have a replacement in Obi, so I would trade Julius before RJ. I don't think the FO will trade either though.


it's also where they take most of their shots. if you look at the shot charts for these 3 guys last year, it doesn't make sense to put them together.


Sexton gets most of his offense in the 0-10 feet range the rest from three. Most of Randles offense came from mid range. He had the lowest % of FGA at that 0-10 feet range in his career.

RJ has a closer chart, but is starting to shoot more threes as well. Not about Sexton but RJ gets flack for not being a great finisher but he still finished just over 60.5% from the 0-3 feet range, if had any floater game that 3-10 shooting percentage wouldn’t be abysmal (Sexton is pretty good in this area).

I also expect RJ to keep evolving and his shot chart last year isn’t really indicative of where he’ll be taking most of his shots in the future (hopefully he develops that pull up game cause he’s pretty good from Mid Range out).


Apparently you deserve the Knicks paying Duncan Robinson 20 million a year.
That'll stretch that floor.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1466 » by god shammgod » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:22 pm

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-YogiBiz- wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
it's also where they take most of their shots. if you look at the shot charts for these 3 guys last year, it doesn't make sense to put them together.


Sexton gets most of his offense in the 0-10 feet range the rest from three. Most of Randles offense came from mid range. He had the lowest % of FGA at that 0-10 feet range in his career.

RJ has a closer chart, but is starting to shoot more threes as well. Not about Sexton but RJ gets flack for not being a great finisher but he still finished just over 60.5% from the 0-3 feet range, if had any floater game that 3-10 shooting percentage wouldn’t be abysmal (Sexton is pretty good in this area).

I also expect RJ to keep evolving and his shot chart last year isn’t really indicative of where he’ll be taking most of his shots in the future (hopefully he develops that pull up game cause he’s pretty good from Mid Range out).


Apparently you deserve the Knicks paying Duncan Robinson 20 million a year.
That'll stretch that floor.


because those are the only 2 options. put together the most mediocre trio of all time or overpay a souped up steve novak.

and stop being positive to the negative people and negative to the positive people. pick a side. :lol:
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Post#1467 » by DOT » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:23 pm

god shammgod wrote:
-YogiBiz- wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
it's also where they take most of their shots. if you look at the shot charts for these 3 guys last year, it doesn't make sense to put them together.


Sexton gets most of his offense in the 0-10 feet range the rest from three. Most of Randles offense came from mid range. He had the lowest % of FGA at that 0-10 feet range in his career.

RJ has a closer chart, but is starting to shoot more threes as well. Not about Sexton but RJ gets flack for not being a great finisher but he still finished just over 60.5% from the 0-3 feet range, if had any floater game that 3-10 shooting percentage wouldn’t be abysmal (Sexton is pretty good in this area).

I also expect RJ to keep evolving and his shot chart last year isn’t really indicative of where he’ll be taking most of his shots in the future (hopefully he develops that pull up game cause he’s pretty good from Mid Range out).


together these 3 guys make a little over 5 3s a game. they're gonna get most of the shots. it's 2021. this is no good.

Giannis, Middleton, and Jrue only make 5.2 3s a game

Booker, Paul, and Ayton are only at 3.5. If you want to swap Ayton for Bridges, it becomes 5.3.
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Post#1468 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:24 pm

god shammgod wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
-YogiBiz- wrote:
Sexton gets most of his offense in the 0-10 feet range the rest from three. Most of Randles offense came from mid range. He had the lowest % of FGA at that 0-10 feet range in his career.

RJ has a closer chart, but is starting to shoot more threes as well. Not about Sexton but RJ gets flack for not being a great finisher but he still finished just over 60.5% from the 0-3 feet range, if had any floater game that 3-10 shooting percentage wouldn’t be abysmal (Sexton is pretty good in this area).

I also expect RJ to keep evolving and his shot chart last year isn’t really indicative of where he’ll be taking most of his shots in the future (hopefully he develops that pull up game cause he’s pretty good from Mid Range out).


Apparently you deserve the Knicks paying Duncan Robinson 20 million a year.
That'll stretch that floor.


because those are the only 2 options. put together the most mediocre trio of all time or overpay a souped up steve novak.

and stop being positive to the negative people and negative to the positive people. pick a side. :lol:


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Post#1469 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:26 pm

I'm no GM, real or otherwise, but can I watch a team where the PG can make a f*cking layup AND a jumpshot?

I don't even care about the occasional 3. That's how starved I am for a PG who can do those two things in the same game.
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Post#1470 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:29 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:I'm no GM, real or otherwise, but can I watch a team where the PG can make a f*cking layup AND a jumpshot?

I don't even care about the occasional 3. That's how starved I am for a PG who can do those two things in the same game.

Sexton is your guy
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Post#1471 » by god shammgod » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:29 pm

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god shammgod wrote:
-YogiBiz- wrote:
Sexton gets most of his offense in the 0-10 feet range the rest from three. Most of Randles offense came from mid range. He had the lowest % of FGA at that 0-10 feet range in his career.

RJ has a closer chart, but is starting to shoot more threes as well. Not about Sexton but RJ gets flack for not being a great finisher but he still finished just over 60.5% from the 0-3 feet range, if had any floater game that 3-10 shooting percentage wouldn’t be abysmal (Sexton is pretty good in this area).

I also expect RJ to keep evolving and his shot chart last year isn’t really indicative of where he’ll be taking most of his shots in the future (hopefully he develops that pull up game cause he’s pretty good from Mid Range out).


together these 3 guys make a little over 5 3s a game. they're gonna get most of the shots. it's 2021. this is no good.

Giannis, Middleton, and Jrue only make 5.2 3s a game

Booker, Paul, and Ayton are only at 3.5. If you want to swap Ayton for Bridges, it becomes 5.3.


fine. but they also both have a dominant paint guy when nobody in our trio is even at league average there.
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Post#1472 » by prophet_of_rage » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:30 pm

If we end up with RJ, Oubre, Sexton that isn't terrible. It isn't championship but it'll sell tickets.

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Post#1473 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:31 pm

god shammgod wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
together these 3 guys make a little over 5 3s a game. they're gonna get most of the shots. it's 2021. this is no good.

Giannis, Middleton, and Jrue only make 5.2 3s a game

Booker, Paul, and Ayton are only at 3.5. If you want to swap Ayton for Bridges, it becomes 5.3.


fine. but they also both have a dominant paint guy when nobody in our trio is even at league average there.

Finally some Ayton praise from you :lol:
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Post#1474 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:32 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:I'm no GM, real or otherwise, but can I watch a team where the PG can make a f*cking layup AND a jumpshot?

I don't even care about the occasional 3. That's how starved I am for a PG who can do those two things in the same game.


the sad thing is our starting PG last year couldn't make either one :lol:
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Post#1475 » by TheGreenArrow » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:32 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:Macri is saying www is the one pushing for Sexton hard!!!!!!

So we shall see!!!!!!!

Sounds like to me macri is trying to get credit if the Knicks get Sexton. He waited for the shams report. Sneaky guy. We all know damn well he ain’t got no connections to the front office. He’s been wrong on every rumor he’s created :lol:


:lol:

Dude I get it you don’t like macri!!!!!!!

Any positive/inside info in terms of Sexton potentially coming here I’m going to choose to believe!!!!!

I want Sexton here so I’m all in whether true or not!!!!!!!
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Post#1476 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:33 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:If we end up with RJ, Oubre, Sexton that isn't terrible. It isn't championship but it'll sell tickets.

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Post#1477 » by god shammgod » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:33 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
K-DOT wrote:Giannis, Middleton, and Jrue only make 5.2 3s a game

Booker, Paul, and Ayton are only at 3.5. If you want to swap Ayton for Bridges, it becomes 5.3.


fine. but they also both have a dominant paint guy when nobody in our trio is even at league average there.

Finally some Ayton praise from you :lol:


:lol: he shoots like 70 percent in the paint..as he should at that size
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Post#1478 » by DOT » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:34 pm

god shammgod wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
together these 3 guys make a little over 5 3s a game. they're gonna get most of the shots. it's 2021. this is no good.

Giannis, Middleton, and Jrue only make 5.2 3s a game

Booker, Paul, and Ayton are only at 3.5. If you want to swap Ayton for Bridges, it becomes 5.3.


fine. but they also both have a dominant paint guy when nobody in our trio is even at league average there.

That's what 2022 free agency is for

I think if you're looking at Sexton/Randle/RJ to be our "big 3" and lead us to championship runs, you're gonna have a bad time

I view Sexton more as a guy who can raise our floor next year while also allowing us to go after someone big next offseason. Those 3 as a supporting cast sounds a lot better, and while you are right they could shoot more 3s, I think if they were in more secondary roles, they'd have more catch and shoot opportunities.
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Post#1479 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:36 pm

K-DOT wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
K-DOT wrote:Giannis, Middleton, and Jrue only make 5.2 3s a game

Booker, Paul, and Ayton are only at 3.5. If you want to swap Ayton for Bridges, it becomes 5.3.


fine. but they also both have a dominant paint guy when nobody in our trio is even at league average there.

That's what 2022 free agency is for

I think if you're looking at Sexton/Randle/RJ to be our "big 3" and lead us to championship runs, you're gonna have a bad time

I view Sexton more as a guy who can raise our floor next year while also allowing us to go after someone big next offseason. Those 3 as a supporting cast sounds a lot better, and while you are right they could shoot more 3s, I think if they were in more secondary roles, they'd have more catch and shoot opportunities.

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Post#1480 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:37 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:Macri is saying www is the one pushing for Sexton hard!!!!!!

So we shall see!!!!!!!

Sounds like to me macri is trying to get credit if the Knicks get Sexton. He waited for the shams report. Sneaky guy. We all know damn well he ain’t got no connections to the front office. He’s been wrong on every rumor he’s created :lol:


:lol:

Dude I get it you don’t like macri!!!!!!!

Any positive/inside info in terms of Sexton potentially coming here I’m going to choose to believe!!!!!

I want Sexton here so I’m all in whether true or not!!!!!!!

Fine I’ll cut you some slack :lol:
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