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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1461 » by Nazrmohamed » Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:53 pm

ny-n-md wrote:How about Randle for Christian Wood? Isn’t he from Texas? Maybe they would take him off our hands. Wood can space the floor as a big and can block shots too. He’s not as shifty as Randle or a ball handler but he makes quicker decisions with the ball than him that’s for sure.


Oh hell no. I trade my player who's failing to keep us over .500 for another guy failing to get his team out of the lottery, who also plays pretty much the position I wanna clear up for Obi and Mitch.

I mean, you can say the same thing for Fox but at least he plays a position weve been desperate for a decade. I think Woods is the most fools gold player in the nba. He and Grant unless you already are a contender and some other guy is already gonna be the alpha leader of your team....and maybe a Beta too cuz I see both as good tertiary stars if I'm trying to contend.
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Post#1462 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:07 pm

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Then we become a donut team . They can have burks instead


Sims easily can provide 80% of Mitch for 10% of the price of Mitch's extension.

Not that the Mavs would trade a good player who is a guard for a so so Center, the least important NBA position, in Mitch.


I like Simms but right now he is 10% sure of where he needs to be on the court.

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Until he figures that out he 100% shouldn't be starting.


Team isn't necessarily going anywhere with Mitch either.

He's good at what he does but he's offensively limited. He dunks. Yay.
The Knicks COULD sign him at 10 million per since they are operating over the cap, and it would be below the apron, which is the important part apparently.

My concerns about Mitch is that he's shown to be not that durable, he hasn't developed as a player and probably won't, and seems to have issues playing more than 28 mpg in his career, due to conditioning or whatever.

So, Mitch is still nice as a 28 mpg player, but that's barely truly a starter, and how much to invest in that.

I don't really care what they pay him or if they do, so long as it's a contract that's relatively easy to move at a later date if necessary.

He's another fungible Knick player, like basically the entire roster. Keep him, trade him, who cares.
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1463 » by WargamesX » Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:24 pm

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Sims easily can provide 80% of Mitch for 10% of the price of Mitch's extension.

Not that the Mavs would trade a good player who is a guard for a so so Center, the least important NBA position, in Mitch.


I like Simms but right now he is 10% sure of where he needs to be on the court.

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Until he figures that out he 100% shouldn't be starting.


Team isn't necessarily going anywhere with Mitch either.

He's good at what he does but he's offensively limited. He dunks. Yay.
The Knicks COULD sign him at 10 million per since they are operating over the cap, and it would be below the apron, which is the important part apparently.

My concerns about Mitch is that he's shown to be not that durable, he hasn't developed as a player and probably won't, and seems to have issues playing more than 28 mpg in his career, due to conditioning or whatever.

So, Mitch is still nice as a 28 mpg player, but that's barely truly a starter, and how much to invest in that.

I don't really care what they pay him or if they do, so long as it's a contract that's relatively easy to move at a later date if necessary.

He's another fungible Knick player, like basically the entire roster. Keep him, trade him, who cares.

If they sign him to the 10-12 Mil range and keep Noel and sims where he is at $20 invested in pure Centers aren’t bad. Another year of Taj maybe see if Seminic can play Center and PF. Obi on his rookie contract. It’s not the Knicks biggest issue and not out of range of his talent.

For example one of the biggest issues with ATL’s cap is Capella and Collins are overpaid and they need guard depth.
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1464 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:26 pm

WargamesX wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
I like Simms but right now he is 10% sure of where he needs to be on the court.

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Until he figures that out he 100% shouldn't be starting.


Team isn't necessarily going anywhere with Mitch either.

He's good at what he does but he's offensively limited. He dunks. Yay.
The Knicks COULD sign him at 10 million per since they are operating over the cap, and it would be below the apron, which is the important part apparently.

My concerns about Mitch is that he's shown to be not that durable, he hasn't developed as a player and probably won't, and seems to have issues playing more than 28 mpg in his career, due to conditioning or whatever.

So, Mitch is still nice as a 28 mpg player, but that's barely truly a starter, and how much to invest in that.

I don't really care what they pay him or if they do, so long as it's a contract that's relatively easy to move at a later date if necessary.

He's another fungible Knick player, like basically the entire roster. Keep him, trade him, who cares.

If they sign him to the 10-12 Mil range and keep Noel and sims where he is at $20 invested in pure Centers aren’t bad. Another year of Taj maybe see if Seminic can play Center and PF. Obi on his rookie contract. It’s not the Knicks biggest issue and not out of range of his talent.

For example one of the biggest issues with ATL’s cap is Capella and Collins are overpaid and they need guard depth.


If the Knicks commit 10 million to Mitch I'll be pissed if Noel is still on the team
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1465 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:36 pm

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Are We Ther Yet wrote:11 days left to the TDL. 4 days to the Boolius trade date. I really want to hear potential trades about the Knicks getting a PG. Brunson has been the only real discussion. I hope when rumors start heating up that we are actively pursuing a PG from somewhere. This team can't possibly think Kemba/Rose are all we need this year. We need a fuggin PG!!
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I don't know what this even means. More moves are always coming. The team needs a PG more than anything else. We most likely won't get one but...we need to be in the discussion. It has been decades of lousy PG after lousy PG. Enough already!!
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1466 » by br7knicks » Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:48 pm

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ny-n-md wrote:How about Randle for Christian Wood? Isn’t he from Texas? Maybe they would take him off our hands. Wood can space the floor as a big and can block shots too. He’s not as shifty as Randle or a ball handler but he makes quicker decisions with the ball than him that’s for sure.


Oh hell no. I trade my player who's failing to keep us over .500 for another guy failing to get his team out of the lottery, who also plays pretty much the position I wanna clear up for Obi and Mitch.

I mean, you can say the same thing for Fox but at least he plays a position weve been desperate for a decade. I think Woods is the most fools gold player in the nba. He and Grant unless you already are a contender and some other guy is already gonna be the alpha leader of your team....and maybe a Beta too cuz I see both as good tertiary stars if I'm trying to contend.


At this point, I'd rather have woods than Randle, but woods needs a really good PG/play maker. Put woods on a team with Lillard, lebron, etc, and he'd be great.

But Randle is closer to a team leader than woods (not this year, Randle has shown he wants no part of being a true team leader).


What the hell happened between this year and last year
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1467 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:03 pm

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ny-n-md wrote:How about Randle for Christian Wood? Isn’t he from Texas? Maybe they would take him off our hands. Wood can space the floor as a big and can block shots too. He’s not as shifty as Randle or a ball handler but he makes quicker decisions with the ball than him that’s for sure.


Oh hell no. I trade my player who's failing to keep us over .500 for another guy failing to get his team out of the lottery, who also plays pretty much the position I wanna clear up for Obi and Mitch.

I mean, you can say the same thing for Fox but at least he plays a position weve been desperate for a decade. I think Woods is the most fools gold player in the nba. He and Grant unless you already are a contender and some other guy is already gonna be the alpha leader of your team....and maybe a Beta too cuz I see both as good tertiary stars if I'm trying to contend.


At this point, I'd rather have woods than Randle, but woods needs a really good PG/play maker. Put woods on a team with Lillard, lebron, etc, and he'd be great.

But Randle is closer to a team leader than woods (not this year, Randle has shown he wants no part of being a true team leader).


What the hell happened between this year and last year


Fournier and Kemba and Randle is resentful
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1468 » by br7knicks » Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:10 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
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Oh hell no. I trade my player who's failing to keep us over .500 for another guy failing to get his team out of the lottery, who also plays pretty much the position I wanna clear up for Obi and Mitch.

I mean, you can say the same thing for Fox but at least he plays a position weve been desperate for a decade. I think Woods is the most fools gold player in the nba. He and Grant unless you already are a contender and some other guy is already gonna be the alpha leader of your team....and maybe a Beta too cuz I see both as good tertiary stars if I'm trying to contend.


At this point, I'd rather have woods than Randle, but woods needs a really good PG/play maker. Put woods on a team with Lillard, lebron, etc, and he'd be great.

But Randle is closer to a team leader than woods (not this year, Randle has shown he wants no part of being a true team leader).


What the hell happened between this year and last year


Fournier and Kemba and Randle is resentful


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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1469 » by WargamesX » Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:52 pm

I am pretty sure that the Wizards, Kings, Blazers, and Lakers are all potential trade partners for the Knicks because it looks like they are trying to buy guys. Maybe the Cavs too because they do need outside shooting.
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1470 » by Nazrmohamed » Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:09 pm

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ny-n-md wrote:How about Randle for Christian Wood? Isn’t he from Texas? Maybe they would take him off our hands. Wood can space the floor as a big and can block shots too. He’s not as shifty as Randle or a ball handler but he makes quicker decisions with the ball than him that’s for sure.


Oh hell no. I trade my player who's failing to keep us over .500 for another guy failing to get his team out of the lottery, who also plays pretty much the position I wanna clear up for Obi and Mitch.

I mean, you can say the same thing for Fox but at least he plays a position weve been desperate for a decade. I think Woods is the most fools gold player in the nba. He and Grant unless you already are a contender and some other guy is already gonna be the alpha leader of your team....and maybe a Beta too cuz I see both as good tertiary stars if I'm trying to contend.


At this point, I'd rather have woods than Randle, but woods needs a really good PG/play maker. Put woods on a team with Lillard, lebron, etc, and he'd be great.

But Randle is closer to a team leader than woods (not this year, Randle has shown he wants no part of being a true team leader).


What the hell happened between this year and last year


See but you're already doing it. Saying he needs a PG and needs this situation or that. And I get it, allot of good players need a PG to unlock them. But maybe we could say that about Obi, Mitch or Noel. I say get the PG like me and Dakomish are arguing. The only thing me and him are not settled on is the price but it cant be ignored.


But that's what I'm saying. We're mad that Randle choked I'm the playoffs and then this yr the team took a step back. Why am I gonna go out and trade him for a player with the expectation of leading the team and that player is stuck in the lottery? Either get me a more established star by including assets along with Randle or do the opposite and .... .. well I gotta admit Fox is the same thing but he's what 24 and this is a down yr. I just feel like he can bounce back and have a great career ahead of him.
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1471 » by RHODEY » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:59 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Sims easily can provide 80% of Mitch for 10% of the price of Mitch's extension.

Not that the Mavs would trade a good player who is a guard for a so so Center, the least important NBA position, in Mitch.


I like Simms but right now he is 10% sure of where he needs to be on the court.

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Until he figures that out he 100% shouldn't be starting.


Team isn't necessarily going anywhere with Mitch either.

He's good at what he does but he's offensively limited. He dunks. Yay.
The Knicks COULD sign him at 10 million per since they are operating over the cap, and it would be below the apron, which is the important part apparently.

My concerns about Mitch is that he's shown to be not that durable, he hasn't developed as a player and probably won't, and seems to have issues playing more than 28 mpg in his career, due to conditioning or whatever.

So, Mitch is still nice as a 28 mpg player, but that's barely truly a starter, and how much to invest in that.

I don't really care what they pay him or if they do, so long as it's a contract that's relatively easy to move at a later date if necessary.

He's another fungible Knick player, like basically the entire roster. Keep him, trade him, who cares.


I care because this :



is not fungible....Now if you think he cant stay healthy that once thing...but when he is healthy he's a beast. Last I checked this team doesn't have a surplus of those.
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1472 » by ny-n-md » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:14 pm

Nazrmohamed wrote:
ny-n-md wrote:How about Randle for Christian Wood? Isn’t he from Texas? Maybe they would take him off our hands. Wood can space the floor as a big and can block shots too. He’s not as shifty as Randle or a ball handler but he makes quicker decisions with the ball than him that’s for sure.


Oh hell no. I trade my player who's failing to keep us over .500 for another guy failing to get his team out of the lottery, who also plays pretty much the position I wanna clear up for Obi and Mitch.

I mean, you can say the same thing for Fox but at least he plays a position weve been desperate for a decade. I think Woods is the most fools gold player in the nba. He and Grant unless you already are a contender and some other guy is already gonna be the alpha leader of your team....and maybe a Beta too cuz I see both as good tertiary stars if I'm trying to contend.

So you don’t think Wood is a better fit on this team than Randle? I’m not looking for a star or leader but the fit. Randle is neither of those things either. The team record doesn’t have any bearing on how well a player can fit. The Suns are favorites this year and they stunk for the first several years of Booker’s career.

Randle plays with the ball too much before making a move. Wood is much quicker with his decisions and is a better shooter and finisher. I would rather have that type of player than the garbage play Randle is giving us. He might even get unlocked further playing for Thibs too.
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1473 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:22 pm

RHODEY wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
I like Simms but right now he is 10% sure of where he needs to be on the court.

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Until he figures that out he 100% shouldn't be starting.


Team isn't necessarily going anywhere with Mitch either.

He's good at what he does but he's offensively limited. He dunks. Yay.
The Knicks COULD sign him at 10 million per since they are operating over the cap, and it would be below the apron, which is the important part apparently.

My concerns about Mitch is that he's shown to be not that durable, he hasn't developed as a player and probably won't, and seems to have issues playing more than 28 mpg in his career, due to conditioning or whatever.

So, Mitch is still nice as a 28 mpg player, but that's barely truly a starter, and how much to invest in that.

I don't really care what they pay him or if they do, so long as it's a contract that's relatively easy to move at a later date if necessary.

He's another fungible Knick player, like basically the entire roster. Keep him, trade him, who cares.


I care because this :



is not fungible....Now if you think he cant stay healthy that once thing...but when he is healthy he's a beast. Last I checked this team doesn't have a surplus of those.


Sims can be that beast too.
So can about a dozen guys around the league
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Post#1474 » by Capn'O » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:48 pm

dakomish23 wrote:Just heard this so not sure if true

Rick Brunson was Leon Rose’s first client

Rick Brunson coached with Thibs in MIN

Jalen Brunson was a Leon Rose client

Also heard DAL doesn’t have interest in moving Brunson as he’s become the #2 perimeter guy they've been looking for in FA. Only reason why they’d move him is out of fear of losing him for nothing or getting a really good player back. But rumors are exactly that, rumors


Yeah, I would want to keep him if I were them. I haven't fully bought in that we can get him.
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Post#1475 » by Capn'O » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:53 pm

JRoy wrote:...


Do you think the Blazers will move Lillard or look for reinforcements?
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Post#1476 » by Adelheid » Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:16 am

anyone here interested at Goran Dragic?
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Re: Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition 

Post#1477 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:54 am

Adelheid wrote:anyone here interested at Goran Dragic?


For Evan or Randle. If we send them Evan it will free up minutes and allow us to cut/trade/bench Kemba. He's an expiring. What would we have to send out? Picks? Youth? That's a salary dump for us. We gotta give up something.
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Post#1478 » by JRoy » Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:12 am

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JRoy wrote:...


Do you think the Blazers will move Lillard or look for reinforcements?


I’d prefer a fresh start, but not sure the FO agrees. A few more years and Lillard might end up as the best Blazer ever.

They will probably try to build around him for be more time.
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Post#1479 » by WargamesX » Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:39 am

Capn'O wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:Just heard this so not sure if true

Rick Brunson was Leon Rose’s first client

Rick Brunson coached with Thibs in MIN

Jalen Brunson was a Leon Rose client

Also heard DAL doesn’t have interest in moving Brunson as he’s become the #2 perimeter guy they've been looking for in FA. Only reason why they’d move him is out of fear of losing him for nothing or getting a really good player back. But rumors are exactly that, rumors


Yeah, I would want to keep him if I were them. I haven't fully bought in that we can get him.


I don’t think we can unless we make cap space and probably overpay him a bit. Keep in mind he is a UFA so all those outside factors do matter, but they are going to have to pay him well to really stave off Dallas.
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Post#1480 » by SelbyCobra » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:12 am

Not that it necessarily matters, but I'd wager that the connection between Rose and Jalen Brunson is stronger than any executive and opposing player in the league.

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