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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1461 » by Jethrobodine123 » Sat Jan 8, 2022 3:32 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:More than 1,000 US public figures aided Trump’s effort to overturn election

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/05/trump-capitol-attack-democracy-election-insurrection-index?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Names are getting named


I would love to see the big money people behind the scenes get their due. It's a disgrace that they get to sit back and let the blue collar types do their dirty work and suffer the consequences, while they travel the world on their private jets and mega yachts.

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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1462 » by j4remi » Sat Jan 8, 2022 7:33 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Anyone else notice that NYC Mayor Eric Adams sounds a lot like Tracy Morgan?


I have zero faith that he'll be any good. Dude's top advisor on public safety resigned after the FBI caught him taking bribes and he made his own brother the police commissioner. We've already got the "low skilled workers" speech and beating covid with "swagger" too. I can't believe progressives in NYC were asleep at the wheel on that one. I think all the best options were watching Hochul's spot instead, but I don't think that's working. Tish James already dropped her try.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1463 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jan 8, 2022 7:39 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Anyone else notice that NYC Mayor Eric Adams sounds a lot like Tracy Morgan?


I have zero faith that he'll be any good. Dude's top advisor on public safety resigned after the FBI caught him taking bribes and he made his own brother the police commissioner. We've already got the "low skilled workers" speech and beating covid with "swagger" too. I can't believe progressives in NYC were asleep at the wheel on that one. I think all the best options were watching Hochul's spot instead, but I don't think that's working. Tish James already dropped her try.


Yup. Well, there was a lot of gun violence at the time of the election due to the pandemic and that may have played a role. Personally, I was rooting for Maya Wiley.

But I agree with you, things have not gotten off to a good start.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1464 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Jan 9, 2022 5:01 am

Rhode island has the 2nd highest percentage odd vaccinated people in the country.. yet they had the highest number of new cases for the last 7 day average.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1465 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Jan 9, 2022 11:55 am

Are We Ther Yet wrote:Rhode island has the 2nd highest percentage odd vaccinated people in the country.. yet they had the highest number of new cases for the last 7 day average.



77% is good for the US but you'd need at least 90% rate to really make a dent in transmission. Especially with omicron being able to infect vaccinated people, it's hospitalizing unvaccinated people at a high rate. We've just set the record for hospitalizations in the US, and we're still not at the peak.

Also, let's be real, most Americans who got vaccinated stopped using caution, dropped mask wearing and threw socially distancing out the window.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1466 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 9, 2022 2:10 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Rhode island has the 2nd highest percentage odd vaccinated people in the country.. yet they had the highest number of new cases for the last 7 day average.



77% is good for the US but you'd need at least 90% rate to really make a dent in transmission. Especially with omicron being able to infect vaccinated people, it's hospitalizing unvaccinated people at a high rate. We've just set the record for hospitalizations in the US, and we're still not at the peak.

Also, let's be real, most Americans who got vaccinated stopped using caution, dropped mask wearing and threw socially distancing out the window.


I think the big X factor now is whether (a) Omicron fully displaces Delta and other variants and (b) a worse variant mutation emerges.

If the answers are (a) Yes and (b) No, there is some chance that Omicron infections will peak soon and then slow down as so many will have contracted it.

One of its apparent effects is it gives something like 4X immunity protection against Delta, so if you get Omicron and handle it well, then you may actually be safer against more virulent forms of covid.

None of this is an argument to let down your guard and not mask, just speculation on one scenario

BUT another mutation can easily happen and throw a wrench into that or any other scenario so I’m not placing any bets on herd immunity happening yet
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Post#1467 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 9, 2022 2:23 pm

Big developments are coming soon as leaks from the Jan. 6 Committee confirm they are looking to recommend charges of conspiracy, not just wire fraud and contempt of congress, against Trump.

Capitol attack panel investigates Trump over potential criminal conspiracy
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/08/capitol-attack-committee-donald-trump-white-house-stop-biden-win

…. the select committee is also looking at whether Trump oversaw an unlawful conspiracy that involved coordination between the “political elements” of the White House plan communicated to Republican lawmakers and extremist groups that stormed the Capitol, the sources said.

That would probably be the most serious charge for which the select committee might consider a referral, as it considers a range of other criminal conduct that has emerged in recent weeks from obstruction to potential wire fraud by the GOP.


In addition, SCOTUS will have to rule on the release of the National Archives to Congress very soon. There is very little chance of them denying this request. This is the floodgate event you should be watching for. Once those files are in the committee’s hand a lot will happen. A lot will happen without those files as they have plenty of records already, but that will be the fait accompli.

Finallly, Bob Woodward, the most tight-lipped, most senior and most connected journalist in DC is super confident they have the goods on Trump. Woodward NEVER opines about criminality. He’s a very by the books reporter, but in this rare instance he’s chomping at the bit and is obviously sitting on major inside info that points toward Trump being brought to justice.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/03/politics/january-6-committee-firsthand-knowledge-trump-actions/index.html
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1468 » by Jethrobodine123 » Sun Jan 9, 2022 2:33 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Rhode island has the 2nd highest percentage odd vaccinated people in the country.. yet they had the highest number of new cases for the last 7 day average.



77% is good for the US but you'd need at least 90% rate to really make a dent in transmission. Especially with omicron being able to infect vaccinated people, it's hospitalizing unvaccinated people at a high rate. We've just set the record for hospitalizations in the US, and we're still not at the peak.

Also, let's be real, most Americans who got vaccinated stopped using caution, dropped mask wearing and threw socially distancing out the window.


I think the big X factor now is whether (a) Omicron fully displaces Delta and other variants and (b) a worse variant mutation emerges.

If the answers are (a) Yes and (b) No, there is some chance that Omicron infections will peak soon and then slow down as so many will have contracted it.

One of its apparent effects is it gives something like 4X immunity protection against Delta, so if you get Omicron and handle it well, then you may actually be safer against more virulent forms of covid.

None of this is an argument to let down your guard and not mask, just speculation on one scenario

BUT another mutation can easily happen and throw a wrench into that or any other scenario so I’m not placing any bets on herd immunity happening yet


I agree, just don't get the damn thing (any of the variants) if you can avoid it, that's been my way of thinking from get go. They just don't know what the long term effects could be.

In my province we are double vaccinated at more than 90% and people are getting boosted more and more every day and still we're seeing cases 3-4 even 5 times peak delta but with less hospitalizations and deaths. However, as in your area the numbers are so high that they are beginning to make it tough for our hospitals.

We may have lucked out that it's not as virulent as Delta but you have to wonder how long our luck will continue.

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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1469 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Jan 9, 2022 2:36 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Rhode island has the 2nd highest percentage odd vaccinated people in the country.. yet they had the highest number of new cases for the last 7 day average.



77% is good for the US but you'd need at least 90% rate to really make a dent in transmission. Especially with omicron being able to infect vaccinated people, it's hospitalizing unvaccinated people at a high rate. We've just set the record for hospitalizations in the US, and we're still not at the peak.

Also, let's be real, most Americans who got vaccinated stopped using caution, dropped mask wearing and threw socially distancing out the window.


I think the big X factor now is whether (a) Omicron fully displaces Delta and other variants and (b) a worse variant mutation emerges.

If the answers are (a) Yes and (b) No, there is some chance that Omicron infections will peak soon and then slow down as so many will have contracted it.

One of its apparent effects is it gives something like 4X immunity protection against Delta, so if you get Omicron and handle it well, then you may actually be safer against more virulent forms of covid.

None of this is an argument to let down your guard and not mask, just speculation on one scenario

BUT another mutation can easily happen and throw a wrench into that or any other scenario so I’m not placing any bets on herd immunity happening yet



The virus will peak soon in CA/NY, but nationally it will be a slow burn through red states as it makes it's way through rural areas with low vaccination rates. Omicron has become the dominant strain here, and it's a numbers game, all the talk of it being mild was a mistake because that maybe true of vaccinated people but the unvaxxed can still end up dying from it, which is why deaths were at a 3 month high on Thursday. It can infect more people, but deaths in highly vaxxed areas should remain low, while it's going to cause a terrible loss of life in low vaccinated areas simply because it's getting to more people.

CDC is predicting 84,000 deaths in the next 3-4 weeks.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1470 » by god shammgod » Sun Jan 9, 2022 2:37 pm

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Post#1471 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 9, 2022 2:41 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

77% is good for the US but you'd need at least 90% rate to really make a dent in transmission. Especially with omicron being able to infect vaccinated people, it's hospitalizing unvaccinated people at a high rate. We've just set the record for hospitalizations in the US, and we're still not at the peak.

Also, let's be real, most Americans who got vaccinated stopped using caution, dropped mask wearing and threw socially distancing out the window.


I think the big X factor now is whether (a) Omicron fully displaces Delta and other variants and (b) a worse variant mutation emerges.

If the answers are (a) Yes and (b) No, there is some chance that Omicron infections will peak soon and then slow down as so many will have contracted it.

One of its apparent effects is it gives something like 4X immunity protection against Delta, so if you get Omicron and handle it well, then you may actually be safer against more virulent forms of covid.

None of this is an argument to let down your guard and not mask, just speculation on one scenario

BUT another mutation can easily happen and throw a wrench into that or any other scenario so I’m not placing any bets on herd immunity happening yet



The virus will peak soon in CA/NY, but nationally it will be a slow burn through red states as it makes it's way through rural areas with low vaccination rates. Omicron has become the dominant strain here, and it's a numbers game, all the talk of it being mild was a mistake because that maybe true of vaccinated people but the unvaxxed can still end up dying from it, which is why deaths were at a 3 month high on Thursday. It can infect more people, but deaths in highly vaxxed areas should remain low, while it's going to cause a terrible loss of life in low vaccinated areas simply because it's getting to more people.

CDC is predicting 84,000 deaths in the next 3-4 weeks.


Right. That’s the ultimate caveat. If you’re unvaxxed you’re really rolling the dice now as your odds of not getting infected drop to almost nil. And then you have no guarantee it won’t fk you up. Only the vaxxed have some degree of comfort that if they do get Omicron they are likely to be OK.

So more death is coming and it is COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY, but people made their choice.
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Post#1472 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 9, 2022 2:42 pm

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Post#1473 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 9, 2022 2:44 pm

The GOP’s anti-vax BS may kill off enough of their voters to swing upcoming elections to the Dems in tight races. It really has come to that.
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Post#1474 » by Zenzibar » Sun Jan 9, 2022 4:56 pm

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This is beyond a joke. Stop believing everything you read fam. BTW, after speaking with a hospital nurse, hospitals in the Bronx are now over-flowing with people moreso than normal yearly flu numbers.

Meanwhile big Pharma and their investors like Bill Gates making billions on fear mongering.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1475 » by Zenzibar » Sun Jan 9, 2022 4:57 pm

Pretending We Can Vaccinate Our Way Out of This Pandemic Is Dangerous — Especially for Kids
Are we setting up our populations — and dangerously, our children — for disaster, with imperfect and sub-optimal immune priming caused by vaccines that do not stop infection or transmission?

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Would the doctrine of the “Original Antigenic Sin” (OAS) play a heavy role in the existing COVID vaccine strategy — due to the sub-optimal, non-sterilizing, imperfect COVID-19 vaccine?

Experts agree we should never have tried to vaccinate our way out of a pandemic while in a pandemic.

According to the OAS by Dr. Thomas Francis, the initial priming of the immune system (initial exposure to the virus, either in the wild or via a vaccine) gets ‘fixed’ for life. If the initial priming of the immune system is sub-optimal and biased, then that sub-optimal initial priming can effectively derange and bias the immune response long-term, which would guide all future immunological responses.

We should have known that this initial priming, if deranged and wrong, would severely stagger and hobble our immune response for the rest of our lives.

And so, are we setting up our populations — and dangerously, our children — for disaster? With this imperfect and sub-optimal immune priming using COVID vaccines that do not stop infection or transmission in the first place?

The COVID-19 vaccines being administered in the U.S. only reduce symptoms, thus allowing the host to stay alive (an evolutionary future it did not have) while remaining capable of transmitting.

Evidence shows vaccinated persons are indeed susceptible to infection, and as alarmingly, carry as high a viral load as the unvaccinated.

Moreover, vaccinated persons are likely to spread the virus to other members of their household.

Are we about to rob our children of their most precious gift — a robust, durable, potent natural innate immunity with these imperfect leaky vaccines — an immunity that has always protected them and helps reduce the infectious pressure and helps contribute to population herd immunity? With vaccines that have been shown to be harmful?

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I argue we could potentially kill many children with these vaccines because we simply have not done the proper safety tests and studies for the proper duration of follow-up, so as to “exclude harms.”

If we have not conducted the proper studies, how could we justify the safety of these vaccines for our children? To do so is dangerous and reckless, as it deceives the public and parents. It is illogical and irresponsible, and without any credible basis.

We do not know what will happen to our healthy children long-term. This is potentially catastrophic if COVID mass vaccination is allowed in our children.

These public health officials at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), National Institutes of Health (NIH), National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) — including Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Rochelle Walensky — have made no valid case as to why our children warrant these vaccines.

Yet they are seeking to vaccinate healthy children with near statistical zero risk — with only the opportunity for harm and no opportunity for benefit.

In addition to the OAS, Read et al also provided us a roadmap to these vaccine and immune system challenges, in their treatise on Marek’s disease in chickens.

In their seminal 2015 PLOS paper, the authors argued some vaccines may boost and enhance the fitness of more virulent strains. They asked a simple question: Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens?

We say “yes!” This can be explained by natural selection which selects out or culls pathogen strains/variants that are so lethal or “hot” they could kill their hosts if they survive and, thus, inadvertently, kill themselves.

Marek’s disease effect and vaccination may well be at play here with COVID vaccines — moderating symptoms while not stopping infection or transmission, thus posing a danger to the unvaccinated and vaccinated.

We — or at least the virologists and immunologists and vaccine developers — should also have understood the COVID vaccines would drive antibodies against the spike glycoprotein only, while our natural-exposure infection immune response will be broad, robust, durable, long-term — providing immunity against the spike (S) protein, the membrane protein, the nucleocapsid (N) protein, and all the epitopes on the viral ball and all conserved parts of the virus.

No COVID vaccine immunity could be equal to or better than naturally acquired immunity. This should have never even been in question. Assertions otherwise by the CDC, NIH, NIAID or vaccine developers are outright falsehoods and means to deceive the public.

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We should have known we could never achieve “zero COVID” as this is a mutable respiratory pathogen. This means, similar to flu and cold viruses, COVID mutates often.

This is what viruses do. They exist to replicate, and the replicating process of their genetic material is unstable and imperfect. Because there are errors in the replication of the genetic material, there will always be mutations.

For example, the original SARS-CoV-2 was the Wuhan strain — now it is the Delta variant. The vaccine for the original strain cannot hit the mutated spike, as the mutations occur on the spike. That’s why we have the immune escape.

So no matter what vaccine you make, you will not be able to vaccinate for the right strain or variant at any time, as the virus would have mutated by the time we vaccinate.

You can never get ahead of a mutating virus with a vaccine.

This is especially true given COVID has an animal reservoir. The virus lives stably in the bat population. Unless we kill off all the bats — and their intermediate hosts, which include civet cats and raccoon dogs and camels — we will always have a “reservoir” for the virus, in animals. Infected animals can in turn infect humans who get close to or interact with them.

This is a very different pathogen and approach than the one taken with smallpox, which did not have an animal reservoir — we only had to remove smallpox from the human population, we didn’t need to worry about it spilling over from other species.

According to Dr. Robert Malone, “The idea that if you have a workplace where everybody’s vaccinated, you’re not going to have virus spread is totally false … a total lie … the vaccinated are actually the “super-spreaders” that everyone was told about in the beginning of the pandemic.”

Malone further states, “if the government isn’t going to disclose what the [vaccine] risks are, and they’re not going to disclose what’s really going on because they think that you can’t handle the news … this is called the noble lie.”

Are we closer to understanding now that vaccinating for COVID under tremendous infectious and vaccine pressure (and ecological pressure) would drive immune escape? That this strategy is indeed a recipe for disaster?

Could COVID-19 vaccines be enhancing the evolution of variants/mutants that are more infectious and capable of spreading much faster and with greater lethality?

Are these COVID-19 vaccines sub-optimally priming the immune system for long-term skewed deranged responding?

Could the use of ‘imperfect’ sub-optimal vaccines enhance the progression of variants that place unvaccinated persons at elevated evolutionary risk of very severe illness, including death? Our children? Is this Marek 2.0?

Where are the safeguards when the proper studies were not done by the vaccine developers, and where is the FDA as the top regulator, in protecting the health and well-being of our children?

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Dr. Janet Woodcock, as the head of the FDA, where are you in this? You could not be informed by the science, for there is none to support this grossly reckless and absurd push to vaccinate children.

What is going on here? This certainly is not “about the science.”

I challenge any public health official to sit down with me and my scientific colleagues and explain your science. Debate us. Show us what you are looking at to arrive at these very dangerous statements and decisions.

We may end up killing many children with these vaccines. In fact, not ‘we’, ‘you’ — Fauci and Walensky and Dr. Francis Collins — may end up killing many of our children.

Please stop this insanity, step back and focus on the vulnerable and elderly where there is risk. Leave the children alone!

“If the CDC, NIH, FDA (Walensky, Fauci, Collins, Marks, Woodcock), vaccine developers and all involved in these COVID vaccines, all the television medical experts, all who are absolved thanks to liability protection, if you feel so strongly that these are safe for our children, then do the right thing: Put take liability protection off the table. Stand by the vaccine’s safety. Put some skin in the game — for as we speak, only our healthy children are carrying risk and I fear it could be potentially catastrophic for them.
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Post#1476 » by Zenzibar » Sun Jan 9, 2022 5:22 pm

CDC director disputes Justice Sotomayor’s claim about kids seriously ill with COVID

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A top Biden administration health official on Sunday contradicted Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s claim about the number of kids seriously ill with COVID-19.
Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, disputed Justice Sotomayor‘s claim on Friday that 100,000 kids were in serious condition and many were on ventilators as a result of the omicron variant.
Dr. Rochelle Walensky contradicted the liberal justice’s claims Sunday following repeated questions by Fox News’ Bret Baier.
Mr. Baier first asked if the number of pediatric hospitalizations was actually 3,500 instead of 100,000. Dr. Walensky answered “yeah” and quickly pivoted to talking about the plight of unvaccinated children.
“Understood, but the number is not 100,000 [children], it’s roughly 3,500 in hospitals now,” interjected Mr. Baier.

“Yes, there are, and in fact what I will say is while pediatric hospitalizations are rising they’re still about 15-fold less than hospitalizations of our older age demographics,” Dr. Walensky on “Fox News Sunday.”
Dr. Walensky also said she did not know the number of children on ventilators.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1477 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jan 9, 2022 5:50 pm

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Lol, wut?

I mean, it's hilarious they are trying to sue the sue master, but no one twisted their arms to make these grown up decisions. Cover your own legal expenses, sh*tbirds.
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Post#1478 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Jan 9, 2022 5:57 pm

Can we get some Flat Earth talk in here with the Anti Vax talk? Thanks, yours truly, KI
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Post#1479 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 9, 2022 6:52 pm

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Clyde_Style wrote:
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Lol, wut?

I mean, it's hilarious they are trying to sue the sue master, but no one twisted their arms to make these grown up decisions. Cover your own legal expenses, sh*tbirds.


It is comical, especially when this form of teat sucking is the line in the sand on whether to turn state's witness or not. It's always about the grift with these publican chitbirds
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1480 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 9, 2022 6:56 pm

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This is beyond a joke. Stop believing everything you read fam. BTW, after speaking with a hospital nurse, hospitals in the Bronx are now over-flowing with people moreso than normal yearly flu numbers.

Meanwhile big Pharma and their investors like Bill Gates making billions on fear mongering.


What does Bill Gates have to do with covid in particular?

Are you trying to say just because he was so far ahead of the curve about the threat of viruses to humanity that means he was always in bed with big pharma and this was a giant plot to enrich himself when he has already shown he doesn't care about increasing his wealth?

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