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[MrDollarBills]

This is ridiculous. I can't stand watching this guy on the court anymore

[Adelheid]

i have always wondered how the hell does draymond get away with his bull and theatrics againsts referees

dont think i remember anyone else getting this kind of lenient treatment before

[nykballa2k4]

i have always wondered how the hell does draymond get away with his bull and theatrics againsts referees

dont think i remember anyone else getting this kind of lenient treatment before

It is nice to be Curry's friend.

OTOH it's a genuine problem.

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It is ridiculous the amount of BS Draymond can get away with. I am glad GS will be gone in couple of days. Can’t happen to a better person.

[Montmorencie]

If I get Warriors and Lakers free semifinal while everyone on the media was gargling that match up I will be happy for the rest of the playoffs.

[thebuzzardman]

This is ridiculous. I can't stand watching this guy on the court anymore

If that was during the Detroit/Knicks series no foul would have been called

[3toheadmelo]

So 3tohead is a Brunson hater?

Wow what a shameless individual

The audacity

Chanel Bomber wrote: KAT is our best player

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[RHODEY]

Sorry guys but you can't be watching these other playoff games and be thinking to yourself: "Well Thibs is doing a good job." When I look at the variety of defense, deployment etc. by a coach like Udoka....he completely blows Thibs out of the water.

First he establishes and plays all those Rockets young players so they have confidence and a deep bench today. Then he comes up with difference defensive strategies and line-ups...sometimes switching them multiple times in a quarter. Started man to man, mixed in some zone here and there, at times it looked a little box-and 1, then closes out the first half with Green-Eason-Smith-Sengun-Adams in an ultra big line-up that caused like 2-3 immediate deflections. Makes live as tough as humanly imaginable for Curry. This was just a coaching masterclass.

I have seen so many teams in these playoffs throw different looks and employ different strategies...I'm just stunned that guys can see this (I assume many watch these games) and still believe like Thibs is a good coach.

Yeah, although this is mitigated by the fact that our bench is weak and on top of that our first 2most dependable guard off the bench have been giving us close to nothing so far in the playoffs. So while he does have much less to work with compared to the Rockets, I think Thibs needs to grow a pair and give Shamut and maybe even Delon some burn versus the Celts.

The question will always be: Is our bench so bad, not confident and thin because all of them genuinely suck or because they have played so little and given so little confidence that they can't be expected to perform reasonably well. Look at that 1 hour video in the Thibs thread--it is a brilliant analysis. They say something along the lines of "Shooter like Shamet etc. are most vulnerable to changes in minutes and opportunities. These guys need to establish a rhythm. They can't do that under these types of circumstances." Shamet is someone that played close to 20 minutes on different teams during the postseason under different coaches. He is playing 5 minutes here in a series where we couldn't by a 3 pointer at times.

If Thibs was coaching the Rockets would he have gone so deep from the get go, playing all of them etc.? I highly doubt it.

I brought the example of the Cavs and Celtics bench: Would Thibs have played guys like Wade, Jerome, Niang, Hauser, Kornet, Pritchard big minutes before they established themselves as strong bench players? Jerome has a career average of like 6points per game. Pritchard was getting 7 points in his first 4 seasons in Boston. All the above guys weren't like automatic 6th man of the year candidates...some were journeymen, some had played very little. If you gave those same exact guys to Thibs, do you really believe he would have sacrificed minutes from Hart, Bridges, OG to build those guys up and possibly endure early season mistakes and losses? Highly, highly doubt it.

I think theres a middle ground ....quality bench playesr have received playing time from Thibs...Duece,,and before that IQ and Grimes, but yeah he needs to take more risks and go deeper to give teams like the Celts a different look...keep them on their heels.

[BKlutch]

This is ridiculous. I can't stand watching this guy on the court anymore

Wait until it's revealed he's was training the Pistons on how to defend the Knicks.

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Shamet averaged 18 mpg in playoffs for three different teams prior to the Knicks. He is getting less than 5 mpg. Payne averaged 14.5 mpg for four different playoff teams getting 19 mpg during Phoenix finals run. He is getting 8.8 mpg this season. Miles got 26.7 mpg last season. He is getting 10 less this season. Precious didn’t get a single minute this playoffs. He was getting 20 last year. Delon Wright got playoff minutes elsewhere. Not counting PJ since he is old.

So this is clearly a choice by Thibs. He is unprepared for a deep playoff run. The only way to stay competitive is to play your best players and hope for the best. This is the same strategy my son’s middle school coach uses. The only difference is my son’s middle school coach is the math teacher and he is only doing this because the school couldn’t get someone else.

[MrDollarBills]

Shamet averaged 18 mpg in playoffs for three different teams prior to the Knicks. He is getting less than 5 mpg. Payne averaged 14.5 mpg for four different playoff teams getting 19 mpg during Phoenix finals run. He is getting 8.8 mpg this season. Miles got 26.7 mpg last season. He is getting 10 less this season. Precious didn’t get a single minute this playoffs. He was getting 20 last year. Delon Wright got playoff minutes elsewhere. Not counting PJ since he is old.

So this is clearly a choice by Thibs. He is unprepared for a deep playoff run. The only way to stay competitive is to play your best players and hope for the best. This is the same strategy my son’s middle school coach uses. The only difference is my son’s middle school coach is the math teacher and he is only doing this because the school couldn’t get someone else.

It's absolutely a choice and when these guys can't develop a rhythm in 2 mins of playing time, people throw up their hands and say "See? What do you expect Tom to do the bench sucks" when in reality Tom didn't even bother to develop the bench, define roles, and opted instead to play the starting 5 40+ mins in December and January. It was asinine then and it's asinine now.

Go look at how Atkinson handled his bench in Cleveland. Those guys aren't exactly studs either but they have roles and expectations defined and they play hard. Sims got traded so that Delon Wright can sit the bench? Precious is actually a serviceable player and he sat during a physical series where rebounding and hustle was critical. Tyler Kolek showed promise as a PG. Even Dadiet showed upside. I'm not saying these guys are a great bench unit but a good coach assesses what he has and designs his plans around them. Tom couldn't be bothered.

You can't just ride 5 guys all season and expect much when the bench guys don't know if they'll play 18 mins one night and zero the next five weeks. You have to give guys roles and time to get comfortable in them.

Leon Rose gave Tom a roster most coaches would kill for. I know some disagree but I guarantee if Atkinson had this group he'd be doing the same thing here that he is doing in Cleveland.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Shamet averaged 18 mpg in playoffs for three different teams prior to the Knicks. He is getting less than 5 mpg. Payne averaged 14.5 mpg for four different playoff teams getting 19 mpg during Phoenix finals run. He is getting 8.8 mpg this season. Miles got 26.7 mpg last season. He is getting 10 less this season. Precious didn’t get a single minute this playoffs. He was getting 20 last year. Delon Wright got playoff minutes elsewhere. Not counting PJ since he is old.

So this is clearly a choice by Thibs. He is unprepared for a deep playoff run. The only way to stay competitive is to play your best players and hope for the best. This is the same strategy my son’s middle school coach uses. The only difference is my son’s middle school coach is the math teacher and he is only doing this because the school couldn’t get someone else.

It's absolutely a choice and when these guys can't develop a rhythm in 2 mins of playing time, people throw up their hands and say "See? What do you expect Tom to do the bench sucks" when in reality Tom didn't even bother to develop the bench, define roles, and opted instead to play the starting 5 40+ mins in December and January. It was asinine then and it's asinine now.

Go look at how Atkinson handled his bench in Cleveland. Those guys aren't exactly studs either but they have roles and expectations defined and they play hard. Sims got traded so that Delon Wright can sit the bench? Precious is actually a serviceable player and he sat during a physical series where rebounding and hustle was critical. Tyler Kolek showed promise as a PG. Even Dadiet showed upside. I'm not saying these guys are a great bench unit but a good coach assesses what he has and designs his plans around them. Tom couldn't be bothered.

You can't just ride 5 guys all season and expect much when the bench guys don't know if they'll play 18 mins one night and zero the next five weeks. You have to give guys roles and time to get comfortable in them.

Leon Rose gave Tom a roster most coaches would kill for. I know some disagree but I guarantee if Atkinson had this group he'd be doing the same thing here that he is doing in Cleveland.

Yep. I don't care if the Knicks win the title this year under this regime - the coaching is a joke.

[RHODEY]

Shamet averaged 18 mpg in playoffs for three different teams prior to the Knicks. He is getting less than 5 mpg. Payne averaged 14.5 mpg for four different playoff teams getting 19 mpg during Phoenix finals run. He is getting 8.8 mpg this season. Miles got 26.7 mpg last season. He is getting 10 less this season. Precious didn’t get a single minute this playoffs. He was getting 20 last year. Delon Wright got playoff minutes elsewhere. Not counting PJ since he is old.

So this is clearly a choice by Thibs. He is unprepared for a deep playoff run. The only way to stay competitive is to play your best players and hope for the best. This is the same strategy my son’s middle school coach uses. The only difference is my son’s middle school coach is the math teacher and he is only doing this because the school couldn’t get someone else.

What is Payne giving us with the minutes allotted? He's been putrid, missing shots and was never one to set up his teammates. Our bench just isnt that good.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Shamet averaged 18 mpg in playoffs for three different teams prior to the Knicks. He is getting less than 5 mpg. Payne averaged 14.5 mpg for four different playoff teams getting 19 mpg during Phoenix finals run. He is getting 8.8 mpg this season. Miles got 26.7 mpg last season. He is getting 10 less this season. Precious didn’t get a single minute this playoffs. He was getting 20 last year. Delon Wright got playoff minutes elsewhere. Not counting PJ since he is old.

So this is clearly a choice by Thibs. He is unprepared for a deep playoff run. The only way to stay competitive is to play your best players and hope for the best. This is the same strategy my son’s middle school coach uses. The only difference is my son’s middle school coach is the math teacher and he is only doing this because the school couldn’t get someone else.

What is Payne giving us with the minutes allotted? He's been putrid, missing shots and was never one to set up his teammates. Our bench just isnt that good.

He's played 53 minutes, in those minutes with him on the floor we have a +.92 net rating


I mean, it's not much minutes wise but we're not bleeding when he's on the floor.

[MrDollarBills]

Shamet averaged 18 mpg in playoffs for three different teams prior to the Knicks. He is getting less than 5 mpg. Payne averaged 14.5 mpg for four different playoff teams getting 19 mpg during Phoenix finals run. He is getting 8.8 mpg this season. Miles got 26.7 mpg last season. He is getting 10 less this season. Precious didn’t get a single minute this playoffs. He was getting 20 last year. Delon Wright got playoff minutes elsewhere. Not counting PJ since he is old.

So this is clearly a choice by Thibs. He is unprepared for a deep playoff run. The only way to stay competitive is to play your best players and hope for the best. This is the same strategy my son’s middle school coach uses. The only difference is my son’s middle school coach is the math teacher and he is only doing this because the school couldn’t get someone else.

What is Payne giving us with the minutes allotted? He's been putrid, missing shots and was never one to set up his teammates. Our bench just isnt that good.

He's played 53 minutes, in those minutes with him on the floor we have a +.92 net rating


I mean, it's not much minutes wise but we're not bleeding when he's on the floor.

We would be playing Game 7 tonight vs Detroit if it wasn't for Cam in Game 1. I'm not saying he's a world beater but dude shot 47% from the field and 43% from three vs Detroit and we need another ball handler to help Brunson.

[RHODEY]

Shamet averaged 18 mpg in playoffs for three different teams prior to the Knicks. He is getting less than 5 mpg. Payne averaged 14.5 mpg for four different playoff teams getting 19 mpg during Phoenix finals run. He is getting 8.8 mpg this season. Miles got 26.7 mpg last season. He is getting 10 less this season. Precious didn’t get a single minute this playoffs. He was getting 20 last year. Delon Wright got playoff minutes elsewhere. Not counting PJ since he is old.

So this is clearly a choice by Thibs. He is unprepared for a deep playoff run. The only way to stay competitive is to play your best players and hope for the best. This is the same strategy my son’s middle school coach uses. The only difference is my son’s middle school coach is the math teacher and he is only doing this because the school couldn’t get someone else.

What is Payne giving us with the minutes allotted? He's been putrid, missing shots and was never one to set up his teammates. Our bench just isnt that good.

He's played 53 minutes, in those minutes with him on the floor we have a +.92 net rating


I mean, it's not much minutes wise but we're not bleeding when he's on the floor.

eye test...he's been bad. We(barely) may not be bleeding when he is on the floor, but again what did he give us in the Detroit series? He's been trash so why not try Shamut or Delon?

[nykballa2k4]

This is ridiculous. I can't stand watching this guy on the court anymore

If that was during the Detroit/Knicks series no foul would have been called

OG got a foul called for less than Green (though was on the receiving end of the moving screen, not giving.)

[nykballa2k4]

Sorry guys but you can't be watching these other playoff games and be thinking to yourself: "Well Thibs is doing a good job." When I look at the variety of defense, deployment etc. by a coach like Udoka....he completely blows Thibs out of the water.

First he establishes and plays all those Rockets young players so they have confidence and a deep bench today. Then he comes up with difference defensive strategies and line-ups...sometimes switching them multiple times in a quarter. Started man to man, mixed in some zone here and there, at times it looked a little box-and 1, then closes out the first half with Green-Eason-Smith-Sengun-Adams in an ultra big line-up that caused like 2-3 immediate deflections. Makes live as tough as humanly imaginable for Curry. This was just a coaching masterclass.

I have seen so many teams in these playoffs throw different looks and employ different strategies...I'm just stunned that guys can see this (I assume many watch these games) and still believe like Thibs is a good coach.

Yeah, although this is mitigated by the fact that our bench is weak and on top of that our first 2most dependable guard off the bench have been giving us close to nothing so far in the playoffs. So while he does have much less to work with compared to the Rockets, I think Thibs needs to grow a pair and give Shamut and maybe even Delon some burn versus the Celts.

The question will always be: Is our bench so bad, not confident and thin because all of them genuinely suck or because they have played so little and given so little confidence that they can't be expected to perform reasonably well. Look at that 1 hour video in the Thibs thread--it is a brilliant analysis. They say something along the lines of "Shooter like Shamet etc. are most vulnerable to changes in minutes and opportunities. These guys need to establish a rhythm. They can't do that under these types of circumstances." Shamet is someone that played close to 20 minutes on different teams during the postseason under different coaches. He is playing 5 minutes here in a series where we couldn't by a 3 pointer at times.

If Thibs was coaching the Rockets would he have gone so deep from the get go, playing all of them etc.? I highly doubt it.

I brought the example of the Cavs and Celtics bench: Would Thibs have played guys like Wade, Jerome, Niang, Hauser, Kornet, Pritchard big minutes before they established themselves as strong bench players? Jerome has a career average of like 6points per game. Pritchard was getting 7 points in his first 4 seasons in Boston. All the above guys weren't like automatic 6th man of the year candidates...some were journeymen, some had played very little. If you gave those same exact guys to Thibs, do you really believe he would have sacrificed minutes from Hart, Bridges, OG to build those guys up and possibly endure early season mistakes and losses? Highly, highly doubt it.

The only counter to this is probably Josh Hart who was a bench journeyman when we traded Cam Reddish and a pick for him.
Donte also went from a nobody to valued player with us.
The truth is that as you say Thibs circle of trust is so tight that guys who contribute more than hustle/defense (Mitch, Precious) are likely to struggle.
it's the playoffs now, so we don't have time to build guys up, but we wasted opportunities during the season. Also it was unfortunate that McBride got hurt while JB was out.

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