Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread

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If Leon didn’t want this to happen, things would have shaked out differently. It would be either Leon leaving with Thibs…

You can read this however you want but if my boss wants me to fire my subordinate and this is how it is presented, the fact that I sign off the firing doesn’t mean it was my decision.

The previous incidents that he talks about makes it very clear. Dolan wanted to fire Thibs for not playing Kemba frigging Walker. Listen that again. Kemba frigging Walker. Leon Rose stopped him. Only this time Leon didn’t feel like sticking his neck out. It doesn’t mean the firing was part of Leon’s long term plan.

[GONYK]

That’s not true he was talking about him being on thin ice with the current FO, he said the X/Os parts played a part but he would say all the other things that came with Thibs is what weighed more heavily(used the 65% to 35% equation when speaking about how much the other stuff may have weighed more in the organization decision to fire Thibs).

You are right that this is a more nuanced way of explaining it but it doesn’t change the fact that other stuff played a much bigger role for his firing. X/Os were a minor part.

What's the "other stuff "? Minutes?

Lack of collaboration/flexibility/adjustments

[GONYK]

If Leon didn’t want this to happen, things would have shaked out differently. It would be either Leon leaving with Thibs…

You can read this however you want but if my boss wants me to fire my subordinate and this is how it is presented, the fact that I sign off the firing doesn’t mean it was my decision.

The previous incidents that he talks about makes it very clear. Dolan wanted to fire Thibs for not playing Kemba frigging Walker. Listen that again. Kemba frigging Walker. Leon Rose stopped him. Only this time Leon didn’t feel like sticking his neck out. It doesn’t mean the firing was part of Leon’s long term plan.

Other than this interpretation being the exact opposite of what Begley said, sure

[JayTWill]

Is this real? The Knicks are treating the head coaching search like the trade deadline?

[WaltFrazier]

One thing I'm wondering. I want to trust the front office and their approach, and I think they'll hire a good coach in the end

But who in the FO is an actual basketball guy? Leon was an agent, WWW is whatever he is, Brock Aller is a cap guy. There's no Jerry West there. But for example, should there have been a basketball guy, ex player or coach presumably, to say wait a minute, Towns and Brunson might not work defensively. Or is that just where a GM talks to the head coach to ask about the fit?

[Enzo954]

If Leon didn’t want this to happen, things would have shaked out differently. It would be either Leon leaving with Thibs…

You can read this however you want but if my boss wants me to fire my subordinate and this is how it is presented, the fact that I sign off the firing doesn’t mean it was my decision.

The previous incidents that he talks about makes it very clear. Dolan wanted to fire Thibs for not playing Kemba frigging Walker. Listen that again. Kemba frigging Walker. Leon Rose stopped him. Only this time Leon didn’t feel like sticking his neck out. It doesn’t mean the firing was part of Leon’s long term plan.

The problem with your theory is Ian Begley just said the complete opposite. He stated this was led by Leon Rose and not Dolan.

[Oscirus]

What is this obsession with trying to trade for successful coaches on other teams. This search has already started off to an embarrassing start and its not really started yet

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If Leon didn’t want this to happen, things would have shaked out differently. It would be either Leon leaving with Thibs…

You can read this however you want but if my boss wants me to fire my subordinate and this is how it is presented, the fact that I sign off the firing doesn’t mean it was my decision.

The previous incidents that he talks about makes it very clear. Dolan wanted to fire Thibs for not playing Kemba frigging Walker. Listen that again. Kemba frigging Walker. Leon Rose stopped him. Only this time Leon didn’t feel like sticking his neck out. It doesn’t mean the firing was part of Leon’s long term plan.

Other than this interpretation being the exact opposite of what Begley said, sure

What is your interpretation? What did he say about Kemba and the previous times Leon Rose sticking his neck out for Thibs?

You stick your neck out for your subordinate when that person is in hot seat against the owner.

[spree8]

One thing I'm wondering. I want to trust the front office and their approach, and I think they'll hire a good coach in the end

But who in the FO is an actual basketball guy? Leon was an agent, WWW is whatever he is, Brock Aller is a cap guy. There's no Jerry West there. But for example, should there have been a basketball guy, ex player or coach presumably, to say wait a minute, Towns and Brunson might not work defensively. Or is that just where a GM talks to the head coach to ask about the fit?

We got Houston and Ewing in the FO

[Knick4Real]

This is becoming a pretty embarrassing offseason. What is the plan? Is there one? Is their "extensive" coach search just asking teams with coaches who are already employed? This looks so stupid to me.

Remember: just because a plan hasn't been fully explained and outlined to the fans doesn't mean there's no plan. It only means we're not in the loop and, despite our hunger to know everything RIGHT NOW, we have no choice but to simpy wait and see what happens.

[GONYK]

If Leon didn’t want this to happen, things would have shaked out differently. It would be either Leon leaving with Thibs…

You can read this however you want but if my boss wants me to fire my subordinate and this is how it is presented, the fact that I sign off the firing doesn’t mean it was my decision.

The previous incidents that he talks about makes it very clear. Dolan wanted to fire Thibs for not playing Kemba frigging Walker. Listen that again. Kemba frigging Walker. Leon Rose stopped him. Only this time Leon didn’t feel like sticking his neck out. It doesn’t mean the firing was part of Leon’s long term plan.

Other than this interpretation being the exact opposite of what Begley said, sure

What is your interpretation? What did he say about Kemba and the previous times Leon Rose sticking his neck out for Thibs?

You stick your neck out for your subordinate when that person is in hot seat against the owner.

I don't need an interpretation really. Begley literally said Leon Rose led this decision making process.

Ian's reporting on this didn't leave room for interpretation.

If you don't believe him, that's a different conversation, but the reporting was unequivocal.

[Capn'O]

One thing I'm wondering. I want to trust the front office and their approach, and I think they'll hire a good coach in the end

But who in the FO is an actual basketball guy? Leon was an agent, WWW is whatever he is, Brock Aller is a cap guy. There's no Jerry West there. But for example, should there have been a basketball guy, ex player or coach presumably, to say wait a minute, Towns and Brunson might not work defensively. Or is that just where a GM talks to the head coach to ask about the fit?

Rosas.

[thebuzzardman]

One thing I'm wondering. I want to trust the front office and their approach, and I think they'll hire a good coach in the end

But who in the FO is an actual basketball guy? Leon was an agent, WWW is whatever he is, Brock Aller is a cap guy. There's no Jerry West there. But for example, should there have been a basketball guy, ex player or coach presumably, to say wait a minute, Towns and Brunson might not work defensively. Or is that just where a GM talks to the head coach to ask about the fit?

Gerson
Perrin

[GONYK]

One thing I'm wondering. I want to trust the front office and their approach, and I think they'll hire a good coach in the end

But who in the FO is an actual basketball guy? Leon was an agent, WWW is whatever he is, Brock Aller is a cap guy. There's no Jerry West there. But for example, should there have been a basketball guy, ex player or coach presumably, to say wait a minute, Towns and Brunson might not work defensively. Or is that just where a GM talks to the head coach to ask about the fit?

Rosas.

And Zanin and Perrin

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Other than this interpretation being the exact opposite of what Begley said, sure

What is your interpretation? What did he say about Kemba and the previous times Leon Rose sticking his neck out for Thibs?

You stick your neck out for your subordinate when that person is in hot seat against the owner.

I don't need an interpretation really. Begley literally said Leon Rose led this decision making process.

Ian's reporting on this didn't leave room for interpretation.

If you don't believe him, that's a different conversation, but the reporting was unequivocal.

I wholeheartedly believe him. Leon Rose saw the writing on the wall. He understood the assignment

[HerSports85]

One thing I'm wondering. I want to trust the front office and their approach, and I think they'll hire a good coach in the end

But who in the FO is an actual basketball guy? Leon was an agent, WWW is whatever he is, Brock Aller is a cap guy. There's no Jerry West there. But for example, should there have been a basketball guy, ex player or coach presumably, to say wait a minute, Towns and Brunson might not work defensively. Or is that just where a GM talks to the head coach to ask about the fit?

Rosas.

And he's one of the best.

[stuporman]

The leaks are Thibs...he doesn't have a wife or kids and doesn't have to watch film for the first time since before the pandemic so he's literally turned into a batman villain...

[Knick4Real]

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But the season doesn't start for 4 months, they have no plan Greenie, can't you see we're 132 days away from next season? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!!!!!!!!

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Totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you still find all of this "embarrassing" (as you've said a few times in this thread), or has this latest info caused you to flip back toward sanity?

[GONYK]

What is your interpretation? What did he say about Kemba and the previous times Leon Rose sticking his neck out for Thibs?

You stick your neck out for your subordinate when that person is in hot seat against the owner.

I don't need an interpretation really. Begley literally said Leon Rose led this decision making process.

Ian's reporting on this didn't leave room for interpretation.

If you don't believe him, that's a different conversation, but the reporting was unequivocal.

I wholeheartedly believe him. Leon Rose saw the writing on the wall. He understood the assignment

So do you believe Dolan would have fired Rose for not firing Thibs?

[JayTWill]

There is no way this front office finds newer and more creative ways to throw away draft picks right?