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Re: Forget Melo. What every Knick fan should be concerned about. 

Post#1481 » by cgmw » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:10 am

munchies wrote:nah, you try to take every game, one at a time. u dont look at the schedule and go "oh looks like dec-jan is tough, we should just give up, cuz we're not as good" u try to look at the mistakes that you made last game and do everything to improve so that you dont repeat them

i dont think players look at the monthly schedule that much, i think they look at who is their next challenge and try to adjust to that, the good players at least


Dude, I'm totally excited to see this upcoming stretch. The players had BETTER be taking it one game a time.
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Re: Forget Melo. What every Knick fan should be concerned about. 

Post#1482 » by Punk » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:11 am

cgmw wrote:We're tied for 4th in the Eastern Conference, just ONE GAME out of the 2 seed. This next stretch includes:

-All five of the other EC leaders (Heat, Celtics, Magic, Hawks, and Pacers).
-WC powerhouses (Lakers, Thunder, Jazz, and the Spurs twice)
-Three sets of back-to-backs
-A 7 out of 9 game Western Conf Road Trip
-6 games on national TV
-17 out of 22 games against winning teams

To say this stretch will make or break our season is not an exaggeration. I for one and totally fcking psyched to see how we fare against top competition.



-The Pacers? Really ?....REALLY?

-Spurs play at our pace now. We are younger and Amare can destroy Duncan now.

- We are 6-4 in back -to back games.

-Western Conf Road Trips are good for us.

-6 games on National TV. We can whip our hair back n fourth.

-We beat Denver, New Orleans. We are already doing a good job on winning teams.

Why u worried for? We are 16-9. Let's take it one game at a time.
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Re: Forget Melo. What every Knick fan should be concerned about. 

Post#1483 » by Knicker23 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:12 am

cgmw wrote:We're tied for 4th in the Eastern Conference, just ONE GAME out of the 2 seed. This next stretch includes:

-All 6 of the other EC leaders (Heat, Celtics, Magic, Bulls, Hawks, and Pacers).
-WC powerhouses (Lakers, Thunder, Jazz, and the Spurs twice)
-Three sets of back-to-backs
-A 7 out of 9 game Western Conf Road Trip
-6 games on national TV
-17 out of 22 games against winning teams

To say this stretch will make or break our season is not an exaggeration. I for one and totally fcking psyched to see how we fare against top competition.


how does this stretch make or break us? If we lose we are losing to teams that are in short better than us.. and if we happen to win it'll prove that we are a good team, yet probably not yet on that top level tier.

We move forward either way.
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Re: [Camelo Thread]**UPDATE MELO PUSHING FOR KNICKS**- Part 4 

Post#1484 » by Punk » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:14 am

GoWithTheFlow wrote:I say we do a trade for melo if we get birdman,... But I dont want to get rid of wilson or gallo or feilds or felton turiaf...

Trade ar, wakler, curry, azu and a future pick.

Yep.

If we do end up having to part Gallo and Chandler, give me Melo and Forbes.
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Post#1485 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:15 am

this thread is full of a lot of hot air. It's really not that complicated. No need to geek up the situation.
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Re: Forget Melo. What every Knick fan should be concerned about. 

Post#1486 » by cgmw » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:19 am

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cgmw wrote:We're tied for 4th in the Eastern Conference, just ONE GAME out of the 2 seed. This next stretch includes:

-All 6 of the other EC leaders (Heat, Celtics, Magic, Bulls, Hawks, and Pacers).
-WC powerhouses (Lakers, Thunder, Jazz, and the Spurs twice)
-Three sets of back-to-backs
-A 7 out of 9 game Western Conf Road Trip
-6 games on national TV
-17 out of 22 games against winning teams

To say this stretch will make or break our season is not an exaggeration. I for one and totally fcking psyched to see how we fare against top competition.


how does this stretch make or break us? If we lose we are losing to teams that are in short better than us.. and if we happen to win it'll prove that we are a good team, yet probably not yet on that top level tier.

We move forward either way.


Fair enough. To say that I haven't been this excited to see the Knicks play a stretch of games in over a decade is also not an exaggeration.

Which games are you most looking forward to?

That Christmas day matchup against the Bulls, for example, could really set the tone for who emerges as the 4th best team in the East.
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Re: Forget Melo. What every Knick fan should be concerned about. 

Post#1487 » by Dr. Detfink » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:20 am

I am not sure "concerned" is the right word because that insinuates to the casual reader something negative when its really more or less "curious excitement"...

I am VERY curious to see how the Knicks fare but also nervous because of the HEAVY minutes Amare & Felton are logging with a short bench. So much of the offense is on their shoulders with 37-38 min play on this winning streak, one wonders who will step up during that challenging 2 month stretch vs. some great teams.
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Re: Forget Melo. What every Knick fan should be concerned about. 

Post#1488 » by j4remi » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:24 am

I don't think it's a stretch to believe that we are capable of playing .500 ball through this span...Anything more would be gravy though for sure.
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Re: Forget Melo. What every Knick fan should be concerned about. 

Post#1489 » by munchies » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:28 am

im not too concerned, things have changed. its a new season, season where we can actually close games out.

i can see players are developing that killer instinct, they are hungry for wins. just like a lion who hasn't eaten for a while. hungry for that juicy red meat. you just know he's gonna get his somehow, doesn't matter if he brings down an elephant or a baby gazelle, he gonna eat.

its hard to take away winning mentality from a player, just like amar'e. he's a winner and he'll make sure to stay that way

i think opposing teams should be concerned that knicks are coming to town :D
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Post#1490 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:30 am

j4remi wrote:I don't think it's a stretch to believe that we are capable of playing .500 ball through this span...Anything more would be gravy though for sure.


That would put us at 27-20 and poised to go for a good seed.
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Post#1491 » by stuporman » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:33 am

The summer of 1996 the Knicks were at a crossroads. Having some cap space to spend they opted to instead of do what it takes to get the guy who takes over games and likely would have put the Knicks over the top and possibly secure a title or two in the waning years of the Ewing era even though that player really wanted to be here. Instead thought they'd get cutesy and pay less for a less established player and hope that the added 'scoring' would be the difference.

It wasn't.

To be a playoff success a team needs players who take over games against the best of opponents. The Knicks have one. They need at least two. Will they do what it takes to get that player? Or will they get cutesy and hope that a less established player will be the difference? I love the young guys the Knicks have. Gallo, Chandler, Fields all of them. Great players and great teammates.

Unfortunately I also have seen them disappear at times and other times get overwhelmed by greater players. They have stretches of bad games where they struggle for 3-4 games, sometimes more. In a best of 7 series, that could be the end of your season. A true superstar might struggle one game, but the next bounce back. Take over games against the best of opponents most nights, not occasionally.

Tonight the Knicks got the best of the Nuggets despite the basket for basket showdown in the 4th quarter between Amar'e and Melo. The difference was Amar'e had the better supporting cast this night. Come game 4, 5, 6 and 7 of a playoff series the Knicks will be playing the best teams in the conference, in the league. I want that second player who can take over games. Amar'e might be in foul trouble, he might be hobbled, he might have a poor shooting night, he might be battling the best big man in the league and not able to to carry a team every night like he has this recent streak. Heck even is he does he still might need a side kick who shows up every game and pours in another 25ppg every game of the 7 game series to be the difference between winning and losing to the best teams in the league.

Having a side kick who can get that from every possible place on the court in isolation or in the flow of the offense while battling likely one of the best SFs in the league is what will be needed to win those games late in the game, late in the season and late in the series. Gallo is good, but he disappears sometimes and he gets in his 4 game funks. Chandler is good, but he also disappears sometimes and gets in his 4 game funks. I want that guy who even though hes playing the best in the league will show up game in, game out.

Look at game logs and see which players shows up game after game. Which player rarely has bad back to back games, let alone stretches of 3, 4 or more games where they just don't show up. Does this mean that our current young players can't become one of those players who show up game after game? They could very well become that. Although the Knicks have an established player who has a track record of taking over games deep into the playoffs who wants to be here. Let's hope they don't get cutesy again.

It's will be easier to find that last piece, that defensive center, that back up PG than it will be to find that player who takes over games well into the playoffs against the best the league has to offer. I hope our young players develop and grow but if that second take over player can be had for relatively pittance, you got to get him.

Now is the time to do what it takes, which to the Knicks advantage is looking like less and less as every day passes and might even wind up being practically nothing but paper. That's right, do what it takes... not get cutesy. The crossroads..... they are upon us.
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Re: Forget Melo. What every Knick fan should be concerned about. 

Post#1492 » by cgmw » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:35 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
j4remi wrote:I don't think it's a stretch to believe that we are capable of playing .500 ball through this span...Anything more would be gravy though for sure.


That would put us at 27-20 and poised to go for a good seed.


It would also provide ridiculous experience for our guys in the Playoffs. It's very rare for a new team to be baptized by fire like this with so many quality games in a row.

Find me anything tougher on any NBA schedule than those 3 sets of back-to-backs in January. If we can somehow emerge better than .500, then I don't think it's a stretch to say the Knicks are poised to fight their way pretty far in the Playoffs.
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Re: Forget Melo. What every Knick fan should be concerned about. 

Post#1493 » by kane2021 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:40 am

Punk wrote:
cgmw wrote:We're tied for 4th in the Eastern Conference, just ONE GAME out of the 2 seed. This next stretch includes:

-All five of the other EC leaders (Heat, Celtics, Magic, Hawks, and Pacers).
-WC powerhouses (Lakers, Thunder, Jazz, and the Spurs twice)
-Three sets of back-to-backs
-A 7 out of 9 game Western Conf Road Trip
-6 games on national TV
-17 out of 22 games against winning teams

To say this stretch will make or break our season is not an exaggeration. I for one and totally fcking psyched to see how we fare against top competition.



-The Pacers? Really ?....REALLY?

-Spurs play at our pace now. We are younger and Amare can destroy Duncan now.

- We are 6-4 in back -to back games.

-Western Conf Road Trips are good for us.

-6 games on National TV. We can whip our hair back n fourth.

-We beat Denver, New Orleans. We are already doing a good job on winning teams.

Why u worried for? We are 16-9. Let's take it one game at a time.

What is so crazy about the pacers? They are 2nd in their division 3 games behind chicago. They are one spot behind us in the east at 7th. Had a hot start and are .500.

Destroy duncan? Road trips are good? Whip our hair?

I understand you want to have some fun, but these constant immature, antagonistic, baiting posts are getting old.

You need to grow up. Seriously. Take this as a warning. You keep trolling other forums. And what you do here is not exactly quality either. Chill out punk.
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Re: IT'S SIMPLE. MELO IS NOT THE ANSWER. HERE'S WHY 

Post#1494 » by stuporman » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:41 am

Jeffrey wrote:I know I'm going to get one of those STFU and GTFO replies but oh well.

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****, I'll start some of you guys off and get it over with... "STFU and GTFO"


Bro, you have a solid post even if some won't agree, this is what we love to see from ballboys. Contribute to an ongoing thread with well crafted posts and well thought out points. No 'Hi, I'm new look at me ' threads started. Or any 'what if we trade Curry for Melo?' threads when there is a dedicated thread stickied. Your fine man, even if people will not like your opinion.

Welcome.. oh yea... stfu and gtfo. :lol:
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Post#1495 » by cgmw » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:41 am

Just noticed, we play Miami THREE times over this stretch. I honestly have no idea whether we'll go 3-0 or 0-3 or something in between. What a crazy season.
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Post#1496 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:46 am

You make a key point Stupor which is consistency. Has Chandler crossed over and become a go to guy? I don't think we can say that. Gallo is a great piece, but is best as a wonderful complementary piece. And we simply don't know what Fields will become. So, no, we don't know that we have a single guy who we can ride in addition to Amar'e. We are winning now because most of the guys contribute something key every night and at least one always shows up to be the second option when they are hot. More common though has been a very nice point distribution after Amar'e.

I can see the value of Melo. I don't know tht we need to do anything desperate though. We have a good team without him. We should hope to keep most of our pieces if we do get him. It's not complicated in the end. Waiting was to our benefit. Now we wait and see what Donnie does.
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Re: [Camelo Thread]**UPDATE MELO PUSHING FOR KNICKS**- Part 4 

Post#1497 » by Lakersmylife » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:53 am

May i just say knicks fans, i love reading this board, even more than the laker board on realgm(im on numerous other laker forums so i guess that makes up for it). Anyway some of these jokes just make me laugh like 2 1/2 men and stuff. Ive watched a couple knicks games this season and boy you guys got a team. I hope you guys are excited to become contenders because within the next year or 2 your team will be!

Yeah yeah i know the drill now: STFU and GTFO :).
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Post#1498 » by cgmw » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:53 am

Clyde_Style wrote:You make a key point Stupor which is consistency. Has Chandler crossed over and become a go to guy? I don't think we can say that. Gallo is a great piece, but is best as a wonderful complementary piece. And we simply don't know what Fields will become. So, no, we don't know that we have a single guy who we can ride in addition to Amar'e. We are winning now because most of the guys contribute something key every night and at least one always shows up to be the second option when they are hot. More common though has been a very nice point distribution after Amar'e.

I can see the value of Melo. I don't know tht we need to do anything desperate though. We have a good team without him. We should hope to keep most of our pieces if we do get him. It's not complicated in the end. Waiting was to our benefit. Now we wait and see what Donnie does.


Clyde, I honestly cannot recall ever disagreeing with you on anything you've ever posted. But I have to say that our current Knicks team, as excellent as they've been, is still not a Championship contender. The reality is we need to be able to compete with the Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, Heat, Magic and Mavs.

You can slice and dice the analysis all you want, but the plain and simple reality is a team based around Amare, Melo, Felton and solid role players has an excellent chance of competing for a World Championship.

The other reality is that GMs need to pounce on the right opportunities at the right times. If Melo wants to come here, you just don't look that gift horse in the mouth. It's a no-brainer IMO.
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Re: Forget Melo. What every Knick fan should be EXCITED about. 

Post#1499 » by NyKnicks1714 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:54 am

I think we'll go 9-13 or 10-12 from now until the end of January, leaving us at 25-22 or 26-21. I'll be happy with that.
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Re: [Camelo Thread]**UPDATE MELO PUSHING FOR KNICKS**- Part 4 

Post#1500 » by GONYK » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:57 am

Punk wrote:
GoWithTheFlow wrote:I say we do a trade for melo if we get birdman,... But I dont want to get rid of wilson or gallo or feilds or felton turiaf...

Trade ar, wakler, curry, azu and a future pick.

Yep.

If we do end up having to part Gallo and Chandler, give me Melo and Forbes.

LOL if you think Forbes makes up for both Gallo and Chandler

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