Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2)

[suicidedeuce]

Has anyone considered:

1.) The Knicks ran all possible mathematical scenarios and knew the tax implications of every conceivable offer Lin could receive weeks and even months ago.

2.) Therefore, the Knicks knew what their likely response would be in each scenario weeks and even months ago.

3.) Keeping #2 in mind, the Knicks spent, spent, spent, acting BEFORE Houston gave him the offer and not in response to any offer Lin did or did not receive.

4.) Putting all this together, isn't possible the Knicks KNEW what they were going to do with WHATEVER contract could legally be offered under CBA rules, and that nothing has changed since in the last few days.

5.) That fans and the media are twisting in knots with each change of the wind, while the Knicks position hasn't changed at all?

Again, there is a perception going on this situation is making the KNicks as uncertain as the fans and media are.

I think Grunwald can do math as well as I can, and I'd be shocked if anyone in the Knicks organization has been caught off guard or has changed their position due to recent events.

[Knicks80_20]

Caller on the radio just said Lin wouldn't even start for Bobcats...lol....

Of course he wouldn't. Lin by himself won more games than the Bobcats did last season.

[Pharmcat]

Jordan Schultz ‏@206Child
Two more sources now telling me Lin is gone. First source seemed adamant but I believe the latter more; mostly because of luxury tax issues.
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it's over.

Lol. Told you guys.

not looking good atm

[Falstaffxx]

We have Amar'e strutting around doing photo shoots while playing like ****, Carmelo talking about about teammates' contracts, and Kidd crashing into trees. This team's culture is a mess. We should be grateful for bad "cultural fits."

[Thugger HBC]

Caller on the radio just said Lin wouldn't even start for Bobcats...lol....

Most people outside of Knicks land would pick DJ over Lin.

[[GR]]

Jordan Schultz ‏@206Child
Two more sources now telling me Lin is gone. First source seemed adamant but I believe the latter more; mostly because of luxury tax issues.
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it's over.

This is a rollercoaster.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Dark times are ahead my fellow Knick brethren.

PS: Our summer league team sucks

[Lord Commander]

Even if Lin comes back, I feel thoroughly disgusted by Melo.

It unbelievable to me that he would have the gall to call a teammate's contract ridiculous when he makes super-max and hasn't won a damn thing.

I don't think he meant "ridiculous" the same way you and I would. He probably uses the word to describe something good, e.g., "oh my god that was a ridiculous shot."...just my two cents...

[sinjz]

I read the first forty pages or so, then skipped through a bunch of pages, so I apologize if this has already been discussed in length.

Does keeping Lin negatively affect our ability to sign players or make trades in the next three years? I'm currently of the belief that it does NOT. I think we are are pretty much set as a team for the next three years REGARDLESS of whether we match Lin or not; We are capped out regardless. If that's the case, I don't see why there is any debate over this, we would need to match Lin.

Does this push us from MLE to a MMLE? If not, then it looks like the only difference on the basketball court would be Lin or some guy off the street. If that's the choice how do you not choose Lin? At worse, if he sucks we trade him for a 2nd rounder or something. At best he helps us go for a championship. If he's something in between, he's a trade chip.

Off court stuff - if you complain about the luxury tax, you can't ignore the fact he'll bring extra attention and cash to the club; probably MUCH more than what the luxury tax would cost.

So basically can somebody explain to me basketball management wise, why we aren't bringing him back.

*bump* Waiting for an answer from all you experts.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Basically the people saying Lin isn't important are just saying "I chose to ignore the actual results on the court and repeat over and over that it wasn't enough sample size."

Carmelo ran us into the ground for most of the year. Lin saved the season. Heads of out asses please?

How exactly did Carmelo run us into the ground? Please, tell me. I recall him playing out of his mind to start the season, got hurt, and our ENTIRE TEAM struggled without a point guard and a hurt Melo. Lin came in, dominated, we needed that, and even played well as Melo came back (Melo wasn't even taking a lot of shots). Then the team struggles, Dantoni fired, and Melo goes on an insane run to end the year. I don't even understand where you're trying to take this thread. Lin was amazing in his 25 games but he played nothing beyond that with Melo putting up ridiculous stats--remember the Celtics games--even in losses (see the Heat game) to close the year. What are you trying to get at?

Wouldn't have happened without Lin. Lin was the ball that got everything moving. We can't say for sure what would have happened otherwise. But things were sinking fast as was Melo's rapport with the fans. Not clear whether he could have overcome that much pressure.

[Starksfor3]

Peace out, Lin. We'll always have Linsanity.

[Knicks80_20]

Forget this Lin vs. Melo s***. It's over. We can all have this debate after Lin finishes his season in Houston if we feel like it's that important.

[boomann21]

Anyone who thinks we are not matching needs to start smoking crack.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Has anyone considered:

1.) The Knicks ran all possible mathematical scenarios and knew the tax implications of every conceivable offer Lin could receive weeks and even months ago.

2.) Therefore, the Knicks knew what their likely response would be in each scenario weeks and even months ago.

3.) Keeping #2 in mind, the Knicks spent, spent, spent, acting BEFORE Houston gave him the offer and not in response to any offer Lin did or did not receive.

4.) Putting all this together, isn't possible the Knicks KNEW what they were going to do with WHATEVER contract could legally be offered under CBA rules, and that nothing has changed since in the last few days.

5.) That fans and the media are twisting in knots with each change of the wind, while the Knicks position hasn't changed at all?

Again, there is a perception going on this situation is making the KNicks as uncertain as the fans and media are.

I think Grunwald can do math as well as I can, and I'd be shocked if anyone in the Knicks organization has been caught off guard or has changed their position due to recent events.

Fair scenario. I assume you tend to believe the above--as do I (except I think the owner can trump any of these fixed scenario) so you think whatever happens was the plan all along?

[JBreezeNY]

If he's at best a bench player, and you think he's best as a sixth man coming off the bench, which most good teams put a starting-caliber player there, then the team is doom.

And if NBA teams think Lin is a starting caliber then so be it but I still don't think he's a starter in the NBA. Don't understand why people think it's absurd to think so (not directed at you). It's not like it's a bad thing for Lin to come off the bench, I think he would thrive in that role.

[ITGM]

Even if Lin comes back, I feel thoroughly disgusted by Melo.

With all due respect, I'm far more disgusted by Lin's duplicitous tactics.

[Lightning25]

To those who said you will be done with the Knicks if they don't match Lin, will you become Nets fans now?

[AllanHoustonFan]

Anyone who thinks we are not matching needs to start smoking crack.

What makes you so sure? The Knicks don't seem to be high on Lin.

[Pharmcat]

ny still has 48 hrs to run all their #s, so lets see

and like Ive been saying b4, I cant believe they wouldnt have factored in lins potential lux tax cost b4 giving out deals to kidd camby novak

[Knicks_Fan2]

I read the first forty pages or so, then skipped through a bunch of pages, so I apologize if this has already been discussed in length.

Does keeping Lin negatively affect our ability to sign players or make trades in the next three years? I'm currently of the belief that it does NOT. I think we are are pretty much set as a team for the next three years REGARDLESS of whether we match Lin or not; We are capped out regardless. If that's the case, I don't see why there is any debate over this, we would need to match Lin.

Does this push us from MLE to a MMLE? If not, then it looks like the only difference on the basketball court would be Lin or some guy off the street. If that's the choice how do you not choose Lin? At worse, if he sucks we trade him for a 2nd rounder or something. At best he helps us go for a championship. If he's something in between, he's a trade chip.

Off court stuff - if you complain about the luxury tax, you can't ignore the fact he'll bring extra attention and cash to the club; probably MUCH more than what the luxury tax would cost.

So basically can somebody explain to me basketball management wise, why we aren't bringing him back.

*bump* Waiting for an answer from all you experts.

Does not effect our flexibility in any way of getting additional players.